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Swiss Sold To LH - New Rumors  
User currently offlineJoFMO From Germany, joined Jul 2004, 2211 posts, RR: 0
Posted (9 years 4 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 8047 times:

There were two older threads about an possible takeover of LX by LH:

http://www.airliners.net/discussions...general_aviation/read.main/1914097

http://www.airliners.net/discussions...general_aviation/read.main/1953193

The 2nd topic was about a news given by a French-Swiss business magazine and reported on airwise.com. At that time the report wasn't picked up by any other serious newspaper.

But now the same story is reported once again by several German newpapers (Handelsblatt and Der Spiegel), two of the most respected ones.

http://www.airliners.net/discussions...general_aviation/read.main/1914097

http://www.spiegel.de/wirtschaft/0,1518,345805,00.html


It looks as if the rumor becomes more and more serious. It just seems to be a matter of time when it will officially be announced.

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User currently offlineDanialanwar From Switzerland, joined Mar 2001, 421 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (9 years 4 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 7697 times:

The noise about this does seem to get louder (again) at the moment. Issues sem to be lowering of costs and control over Swiss' network, then LH might be willing to let the Swiss brand survive:
http://news.airwise.com/story/view/1110484372.html

Now I hope transiting at FRA will be made a more pleasant experience!



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User currently offlineTUNisia From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 1844 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (9 years 4 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 7588 times:

Will it still be safe to fly on Swiss this summer? Will it still be Swiss this summer and not LH? This is my first time on Swiss and I want it to be on Swiss and not LH. I'm flying LHR-ZRH-CAI.


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User currently offlineAirgeek12 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (9 years 4 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 7574 times:

That would be a very interesting merge.

TUNisia, you might want to stick with LH. Not sure, though. Swiss rocks! And LH, well kinda lacks in the IFE department lol. so yea.


User currently offlinePM From India, joined Feb 2005, 6847 posts, RR: 63
Reply 4, posted (9 years 4 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 7546 times:

Well I, for one, hope this doesn't go ahead. I've nothing against Lufthansa but with Munich and Frankfurt to the north and Vienna to the east it may not leave much for Zurich once LH have completed their domination of the central European German-speaking countries. That won't be good for the passenger. (Me!)

I'm still hoping that the Oneworld option isn't dead. Nor do I accept that Swiss has no future. SN Brussels is making money and Austrian (OK, within Star) is surviving and they have no greater home market than do Swiss. There may have to be further changes to the short- / long-haul mix and the fleet but I can see a healthy and profitable Swiss within Oneworld.

An interesting aside is whether or not Austrian would welcome a Lufthansa takeover of Swiss. I suspect they wouldn't...


User currently offlineClipperNo1 From Germany, joined May 1999, 672 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (9 years 4 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 7450 times:

Mayrhuber is rumored to have said the name "Swiss" will be kept... stirthepot 
So watch out for those "Lufthansa Regional operated by Swiss" Stickers!
Seriously, of the international route network of swiss, I only give the BBJ/A319CJ routes a realistic chance of survival.



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User currently offlinePM From India, joined Feb 2005, 6847 posts, RR: 63
Reply 6, posted (9 years 4 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 7407 times:

Quoting ClipperNo1 (Reply 5):
Seriously, of the international route network of swiss, I only give the BBJ/A319CJ routes a realistic chance of survival.

On what basis? I fly ZRH-NBO-DAR (LX292/293) fairly regularly and it's in good shape - in Business and Economy. I know the Swiss staff in East Africa and I'm told the route is earning money. Even if LH do take them over, LH don't fly to DAR (or NBO??) and I could see them leaving routes like this to LX. I think you're being too pessimistic.


User currently offlineLeskova From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 6075 posts, RR: 70
Reply 7, posted (9 years 4 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 7413 times:

Quoting PM (Reply 4):
Austrian (OK, within Star) is surviving

Well, they were simply smart enough to not grow the airline past the size that they could reasonably expect to fill - something that Swissair did, and something that Swiss, I think, isn't completely out of yet... although they have been shrinking themselves quite a bit.

As for rebranding Swiss - do remember that Condor/Thomas Cook is 50%-owned by Lufthansa, so they have some experience with rebrandings... and very well know that there are some rebrandings that you should simply not even try: in my opinion, renaming Swiss to either Lufthansa, Lufthansa Switzerland, Swiss Lufthansa or Lufthansa operated by Swiss - or whatever else - falls into exactly that category.

Regards,
Frank



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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26335 posts, RR: 76
Reply 8, posted (9 years 4 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 7374 times:

Quoting Leskova (Reply 7):
do remember that Condor/Thomas Cook is 50%-owned by Lufthansa, so they have some experience with rebrandings...

Yeah, crap rebrandings like that one. I agree Frank, if they do take Swiss, LH will keep the name the same. Also, ZRH can support high yield long haul traffic, giving LH more connecting options. One of the main problems at SR was their losses in investing in everything they could put their money on. LX has been investing way too much capital. That includes dumping MD-11s either owned or with sweetheart lease rates for brand new A343s, and not even enough to run their entire long haul program daily (LAX 5X, come on now, it is their most profitable destination).



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User currently offlinePM From India, joined Feb 2005, 6847 posts, RR: 63
Reply 9, posted (9 years 4 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 7323 times:

Quoting Leskova (Reply 7):
Well, they were simply smart enough to not grow the airline past the size that they could reasonably expect to fill - something that Swissair did, and something that Swiss, I think, isn't completely out of yet... although they have been shrinking themselves quite a bit.



Quoting PM (Reply 4):
There may have to be further changes to the short- / long-haul mix and the fleet.

As I said, they aren't the right size yet and they'll have to work on that but I don't think it's impossible to do.

But what's in it for LH? They have a hub at MUC with plenty of scope for future growth so why would they develop ZRH? I think the answer is, they wouldn't. They'd turn LX into a feeder to serve FRA and MUC. There will remain some obvious long-haul routes out of ZRH (JFK/EWR?) and, as I argued above, LX have some African routes that LH don't but otherwise the benefit to LH is surely to close down a competitor rather than build up a subsidiary. That's not good for ZRH, not good for CH and not good for the passenger.


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32566 posts, RR: 72
Reply 10, posted (9 years 4 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 7295 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 8):
(LAX 5X, come on now, it is their most profitable destination).

No it isn't. The LAX-ZRH routes loses more money than any of their trans-Atlantic services.



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User currently offlineNudelhirsch From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 1438 posts, RR: 19
Reply 11, posted (9 years 4 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 7270 times:

Would be a good move. AND OLD: Munich - Riem (MUC / EDDM) (closed), Germany">MUC / EDDM), Germany AND OLD: Munich - Riem (AND OLD: Munich - Riem (MUC / EDDM) (closed), Germany">MUC / EDDM) (closed), Germany">AND OLD: Munich - Riem (MUC / EDDM) (closed), Germany">MUC has still some capacity, but ZRH / LSZH), Switzerland">ZRH has lots of it. AB) (FRA / FRF / EDDF), Germany">FRA instead... well...
If you combine AB) (FRA / FRF / EDDF), Germany">FRA, AND OLD: Munich - Riem (MUC / EDDM) (closed), Germany">MUC / EDDM), Germany AND OLD: Munich - Riem (AND OLD: Munich - Riem (MUC / EDDM) (closed), Germany">MUC / EDDM) (closed), Germany">AND OLD: Munich - Riem (MUC / EDDM) (closed), Germany">MUC and ZRH / LSZH), Switzerland">ZRH, that would be 1 huge hub, 1 big hub, 1 medium sized hub, and incredible capacity. When keeping SWISS like it is (brand, fleet, network) and just integrate the whole thing as well as possible into LH and Star, now that would be some strong group there! I just hope I can fly SWISS business on my OW miles before that
happens...


Edit:
Just read the same on Reuters, citing Handelsblatt as a source... and posting a sweet pic of the winglet and tail of a SWISS MD11... Smile

[Edited 2005-03-11 09:32:49]


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User currently offlineCornish From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 8187 posts, RR: 54
Reply 12, posted (9 years 4 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 7126 times:

Quoting PM (Reply 9):
But what's in it for LH? They have a hub at MUC with plenty of scope for future growth so why would they develop ZRH? I think the answer is, they wouldn't. They'd turn LX into a feeder to serve FRA and MUC.

Exactly - what's in it for LH - they'd remove long haul competition from Southern Germany/Northern Switzerland - importantly containing a predominantly higher yield business community.



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User currently offlineAussiestu From Australia, joined Mar 2001, 780 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (9 years 4 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 7099 times:

Why would LH want to buy a loss making airline? While Swiss has been taking huge steps to increase profits and get itself back to normality I dont understand why LH would want to buy it? I hope we dont see the LX brand disappear completely if it happens. Having flown the old Swiss many times they were a great airline, they just invested in the wrong thing. Good luck Swiss!!

User currently offlineRJ100 From Switzerland, joined Nov 2000, 4117 posts, RR: 29
Reply 14, posted (9 years 4 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 7082 times:

Its the only possibility for Swiss. They tried to keep the ZRH hub but it does not work (too small home market). Now its time to get realistic.

LH will take over LX. ZRH will massively be downgraded to a maximum of 8 longhaul planes (just a guess...). They will fly where demand from the homemarket exists.

BSL and GVA will be left to the competitors (apart from feeder routes and some regional routes to from Germany).

Believe me, I would love to see 100 A-380 based in ZRH (before someone starts bitching at me). But its really time now to get realistic.

Regards,
RJ100



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User currently offlineCornish From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 8187 posts, RR: 54
Reply 15, posted (9 years 4 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 7069 times:

Quoting Aussiestu (Reply 13):
Why would LH want to buy a loss making airline? While Swiss has been taking huge steps to increase profits and get itself back to normality I dont understand why LH would want to buy it?

Because perhaps more importantly they don't want a competitor to get it. Its the market they want, not the airline.



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User currently offlineAtamdji From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (9 years 4 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 7050 times:

I wouldn't be too pessimistic - LH is currently constrained on flights to the Far East due to bilateral agreements. They make very good money on the Japan and China flights and would love to do more! Expect LX to upgrade all Far East Flts to 7/7  Smile

The Africa network will probably remain

so expect a reduction in trans-atlantic flights, with trade offs between the various hubs. For example looking at LAX and YUL, I expect LAX to be discontinued so that MUC-LAX improves yields, and as a trade-off I expect MUC-YUL to be stopped in favour of ZRH-YUL.

cheers
A


User currently offlinePM From India, joined Feb 2005, 6847 posts, RR: 63
Reply 17, posted (9 years 4 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 6975 times:

Quoting RJ100 (Reply 14):
LH will take over LX. ZRH will massively be downgraded to a maximum of 8 longhaul planes (just a guess...). They will fly where demand from the homemarket exists.

So is this a vindication of the Airbus vision of the future where we are all channelled through major hubs and onto huge aircraft and a rejection of the Boeing point-to-point alternative flying on 787s? Wink


User currently offlineRJ100 From Switzerland, joined Nov 2000, 4117 posts, RR: 29
Reply 18, posted (9 years 4 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 6954 times:

No absolutely not. Point-to-point where demand exists. Channelling the people via FRA or MUC (in this case) where homemarket does not exist.

I see a chance for Zurich with the high yield Africa business. So we might see people flying via ZRH. But most of the African destinations are served once or twice a week so the longhaul fleet will be reduced anyway.

Just my thoughts.

Regards,
RJ100



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User currently offlinePM From India, joined Feb 2005, 6847 posts, RR: 63
Reply 19, posted (9 years 4 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 6910 times:

Quoting RJ100 (Reply 18):
where homemarket does not exist

How much "homemarket" does EK or SQ have? Hong Kong has the same population as Switzerland (more or less) and can support Cathay and others. I know we're not comparing like with like but I still find it hard to believe that a first class and centrally located airport (ZRH) and a pretty good airline (LX) cannot sustain a route network that is any bigger than, say, TAP's. Swissair managed it for years. OK, it was operating in a different environment and then shot itself in the foot (actually, both feet, with both barrels, more than once) but why shouldn't Swiss (as part of an alliance other than Star) pull in travellers from south Germany (which they already do) and elsewhere to load onto their long-haul flights? My LX292/293 shuttle between ZRH and DAR is full of people transferring all over Europe. Why let them transfer through FRA (yech!)?

I'm not really arguing with you and I'm just an enthusiast sitting under a palm tree beside the Indian Ocean rather than an industry insider but I've had twenty wonderful years on SR/LX flying in and out of ZRH a few hundred times and I hate to think of a future where all the direct flights will be on other airlines while I transfer in MUCweeping 


User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 50
Reply 20, posted (9 years 4 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 6831 times:

Quoting PM (Reply 19):
but I still find it hard to believe that a first class and centrally located airport (ZRH) and a pretty good airline (LX) cannot sustain a route network that is any bigger than, say, TAP's

TAP is doing pretty well. It was luckly not to get involved with LX...

Your rationale does not make sense, and you would have to make the same question with regard to many other countries, e.g. Belgium, Luxembourg, and even the more scandalous case of Italy with AZ!

Rgs,


User currently offlinePM From India, joined Feb 2005, 6847 posts, RR: 63
Reply 21, posted (9 years 4 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 6793 times:

Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 20):
TAP is doing pretty well. It was luckly not to get involved with LX...

Ah, but it did (well, SR rather than LX) as one of the orphans Brugisser collected around Europe and elsewhere. I'm glad it's now doing well (and, unlike some, I love their new livery) but are we really saying that Swiss, ZRH and Europe's wealthiest country can't aspire a little higher than that?

Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 20):
Your rationale does not make sense, and you would have to make the same question with regard to many other countries, e.g. Belgium, Luxembourg, and even the more scandalous case of Italy with AZ!

Yep. All true. So is the future a Europe with a very few major hubs (being what? FRA? CDG? AMS? LHR?) and elsewhere just peripheral airports feeding the giants and providing runways for these dreary LCCs? worried 


User currently offlineRJ100 From Switzerland, joined Nov 2000, 4117 posts, RR: 29
Reply 22, posted (9 years 4 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 6695 times:

PM, we simply cannot compare SQ and EK with LX. LX operates in mostly oversaturated markets where competition is tough and where yield is down. SQ is outstanding in quality-they are simply the best- so people are ready to pay more and they have a certain size in Asia which makes them strong. EK is different as well. I think their connections via DXB / OMDB), United Arab Emirates">DXB are unique and their whole route network is unique.
Oh and BTW, a lot of EK routes are o/d routes, like DXB-UK for instance.


So everyone has something special while Swiss is just a normal airline (so in fact most people that connect in ZRH / LSZH), Switzerland">ZRH do it because of the low price LX offers).

Regards,
RJ100

[Edited 2005-03-11 13:18:10]


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User currently offlinePM From India, joined Feb 2005, 6847 posts, RR: 63
Reply 23, posted (9 years 4 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 6641 times:

Quoting RJ100 (Reply 22):
PM, we simply cannot compare SQ and EK with LX.

I know, I know. But it IS possible to sustain a major airline on quality and to build a successful hub that funnels pax through it. That was my point about SQ, EK and CX. In its heyday Swissair was surely doing a lot more than flying Swiss people on O&D flights in and out of ZRH. I know that things change but I find it hard to believe that things are so bad that LX can only put the lights out and hand the keys over to LH. (Or BA or AF or anyone.)


User currently offlineA3xx900 From Germany, joined Jan 2004, 335 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (9 years 4 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 6638 times:

Hmmm... LH has one hub that is becoming too small (FRA) and built a new terminal at MUC with a lot of space for further expansion. My question is why would LH want to invest in yet another hub (ZRH) and even a loss-making airline to take away traffic from MUC and FRA?
IF LH is going to aquire Swiss I think the smartest move for them would be to downgrade LX to a feeder from Europe and Africa to MUC and FRA and maybe keep BBJ /A319CJ services from ZRH and Basel to the US and high-yield routes to other European destinations.



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25 Poh2 : RJ100, I think you're too pessimistic there...SWISS is not a "normal airline"...you should know that. They might not be at SQ's level, but they're cer
26 Post contains images RJ100 : I understand your point PM. I think quality is just one factor. A lot of people used to fly Crossair and Swissair because of their quality and were re
27 PM : Thank you, Poh2. Let's not give up yet!
28 RJ100 : Poh2: Swiss longhaul has a good service level. I agree with you on that. But I wouldnt say they are better than LH or BA there. And then if you connec
29 Jcded : RJ100, you said that novartis is opening their own terminal at BSL, do you have any more info on this, first time I heard of a private company unrelat
30 Poh2 : RJ100, Yes...I should have been more specific...I was talking about their long-haul product. For long-haul flights I personally rate LX above LH, AF,
31 Post contains images RJ100 : Hey Jcded The terminal will be located in the freight zone 4 next to Jet Aviation. They will base two Bombardier Global Express there, rumour has it t
32 PM : So did we all. So did LX. AA probably still do. The problem seemed to be some sort of ego problem between BA and LX. I also remember something about
33 NceBoy : Well, It's a fact LX Y is way better than the other majors in Europe, having fly on most of them on long haul. And I don't only speak of the famous LH
34 Dexter : Now there's something I don't understand. I can see why LH is interested in taking over LX. In order to get rid of a competitor in Central Europe. But
35 Beaucaire : One aspect totally lost in this discussion is Geneva... GVA has a trackrecord of high-yield customers to US,Middle East and African destinations,which
36 LifelinerOne : Well, I think PM is right here. I think Europe only has place for a maximum of 5 or 6 hubs. Maybe MXP will join them once Alitalia joins in the Air F
37 Swisswings : There are regular discussions about the future of LX in the media and with friends. Although LX is recovering slowly (2004 still in deep red), their f
38 Post contains images PM : Er, excuse me. I live in Dar es Salaam. Yeah, we'll survive but I'll thank you not to throw away our thrice a week connection to ZRH. Why do you sugg
39 Gigneil : With the propensity towards unification in Europe, this was the only inevitable outcome. Its best for the businesses, and, if done right, can be good
40 Post contains images Swisswings : PM: Sorry, but the long hauls I quoted were only samples for long-haul routes operated by Swiss. Profitability is required with all of them, otherwise
41 Ndebele : Nobody says anything about the profitability of the long-haul routes (e.g. Buenos Aires, Johannesburg, Miami....). Swiss doesn't fly to Buenos Aires a
42 Post contains links JoFMO : http://news.search.ch/?cat=3&id=8768216f317eee42b71ad0256d160f5e Following a report from the NZZ on Sunday Swiss will inform its major shareholders on
43 Post contains links JoFMO : http://www.sonntagszeitung.ch/dyn/news/nachrichten/477842.html They also report that the Bundesrat (some kind of parliament) has discussed the Swiss t
44 FLYYUL : HB-IWC, We must acknowledge that ZRH alone, is a market that commands a certain origin and destination traffic strength. ZRH, on its own, could probab
45 Post contains images PM : Indeed, and I was somewhat startled in November last year when the Swiss flight attendant announced, "This flight is operated in cooperation with Sab
46 PM : Agreed. (Or, I suppose, make them profitable.) Why did they pull out of Nigeria? I though that was a highly profitable market.
47 Racko : It's official: Deutsche Lufthansa AG and Swiss International Air Lines AG are in constructive negotiations about the take-over and integration of SWIS
48 Post contains links Phaeton : Here is a link to a German news website with the article: http://www.spiegel.de/wirtschaft/0,1518,346254,00.html
49 JoFMO : It is an interesting fact that only the 14% smaller shareholders will get the current price. The remaining 86% are held by big institutional sharehold
50 RJ100 : So in fact, Lufthansa will take over Swiss for a few peanuts... It is expected that LH will pay 50-60 millions Euros. A good deal for Lufthansa becaus
51 RootsAir : Now that is well said.....here in Geneva people prefer taking other airlines than Swiss since the so called national airline has abandoned us
52 RootsAir : Does this mean that LX will soon join Star Alliance ???
53 JoFMO : @Roots: Thats an interesting question. There are other cases where a Star carrier holds a significant stake in another foreign carrier like SQ in VS b
54 ClipperNo1 : Has anybody heard rumors about what will happen to LX cargo division? The press report indicate that LX will become a part of the LH group of companie
55 Stoney : Just FYI (I wouldn't know anything about your political system, so no harm meant) The Bundesrat would be the executive of Switzerland, (Like the Presi
56 YUL332LX : I haven't read the whole thread but if LH takes LX over and assumes all LX's liabilities, then the E60 million figure sounds plausible and even appro
57 Scotron11 : BA, AA and the rest seem to lack direction and urgency. On what basis do you say this? As a group, OneWorld is very strong operationally and financia
58 ZRH : I think LX will become part of Star Alliance because the plan is to integrate Swiss completely into the LH group though keeping the brand "Swiss".
59 Orion737 : I suppose this means we will see more routes axed from Geneva with LH at the helm.
60 JoFMO : So far LX has codeshares with every Oneworld member plus some other but with no star carrier. I guess we will see a lot of changes in this sector. At
61 JoFMO : What will happen with AA's DFW-ZRH? Can they maintain this route without LX's codeshare and it's feed to ZRH?
62 Leskova : I'm quite certain that those transferring to AA flights in BRU, MAN and DUB will be interested in hearing that... because those are gates that AA off
63 N1120A : Don't forget, some airlines keep on with extra-alliance deals if they are profitable. Look at how long UA and DL had reciprical miles agreements, lon
64 RJ100 : Hey there again. Swiss has absolutely no liabilities. Lets assume that the mentioned price of 60 million Swiss Francs is true, then this is a great de
65 Dba4U : I think it's the best thing that could happen. Why? As already mentioned Swiss is much to big. I think Swiss should more look like SN Brussels or even
66 RJ100 : David, the problem in Geneva is that Swiss has no crews based there (so they need to stay at hotels and that costs money). No doubt that there is a ma
67 JGPH1A : Hmmm - I wonder if LX will migrate their Res/Inventory to Amadeus/Lufthansa Systems, and if so how soon. Could be interesting.
68 Dba4U : RJ100, you're right, I just took a look at the GVA departures... Within the next 6 hours Swiss has 1 flight to Paris, 1 to Rome and 2 to Zurich, only
69 Mozart : How does this work traffic right-wise? Will all traffic rights be transferred to LH? With that in mind, could we see LX operate ZRH-LHR again under th
70 YUL332LX : Hey RJ100, no doubts that it would be a good deal for LH but where did you get the idea that LX has no liabilities? LX total liabilities stood at CHF
71 Bmacleod : So will this be like the KLM -Air France deal where Air France takes over KLM but KLM continues to operate as a seperate airline?
72 ZRH : It could be similar. But this is not clear. First the deal has to be fixed.
73 LX23 : Dba4U: I wouldn't go so far as to say that it won't be a big loss... GVA accounts for about 800,000 pax annually connecting thru ZRH, and the JFK rou
74 Jcded : LX23 do you have any more info on the AC flight to GVA, there are rumors both within AC and from GVA but havent heard much since one month and half, d
75 Dba4U : Ok, connecting Pax... Maybe in the future they will connect to FRA/MUC and ZRH instead of ZRH only, no big deal... Anyway, I think it's to late for S
76 Avianca : come mone guys, LX can not even really support ZRH as a big european hub, and than split between ZRH and GVA? That would totally destroy the last par
77 RJ100 : It was never the intention to start a longhaul hub in BSL. But Swiss never managed to offer a good product for the many high yield passengers here in
78 Post contains images YUL332LX : It will not be operated during summer 2005 if that's what you want to know, although the plan might be accelerated if LX becomes a Staralliance membe
79 Beijing21 : YUl is the natural route out of GVA but why blaming swiss to not serve the route, the management has changed too many times and had other priorities t
80 Beijing21 : So definitely if Swiss become a Star member, GVA-YUL will be opened anytime soon... YUL332, you said "not during summer 2005". Would it mean it is sti
81 LX23 : Dba4U and Avianca: I could not have put it better than RJ did: neither BSL nor GVA are mere hillbilly airports/cities. Although the total population
82 LX23 : As YUL332 said, chances are it will begin with the autumn schedule, although maybe sooner if LX is incorporated into Star
83 Avianca : yes GVA and BSL has some traffic but not as many you would like it. GVA has not the big potential, yes 2 or 3 routes intercontinental. (NYC, YUL, ? )
84 Post contains links YUL332LX : Lufthansa To Squeeze Rivals If Swiss Deal Flies March 14, 2005 Lufthansa will turn up the heat on European rivals if it takes over Swiss International
85 ZRH : This is really an interesting article. It seems that, for example AZ, but also other competitors are not very happy to see LH buying LX. From this poi
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