Tano From Argentina, joined Nov 1999, 59 posts, RR: 2 Posted (8 years 9 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 2289 times:
About an hour ago, Lan directors signed the purchase of Lafsa, the state owned airline that was formed with the LAPA and Dinar personnel when those companies folded up. Lafsa (Lineas Arereas Federales S.A.) has no planes, it had an agreement with Southern Winds (A4) to use their fleet of aging 732´s.
Due to a drug smuggling scandal that was made public a month or so ago, Argentine Government (Lafsa owner) terminated that agreement (on which Argentine Government subsidized ex Dinar and LAPA´s ex-employees salaries and paid the fuel bill).
The purchase includes an agreement that Lan will provide the means ($$$$) to A4 to continue operations (since the Lafsa agreement folded, A4 has to pay the fuel bill cash and had no more reservation system, ex. Short final).
UairFokker From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 1, posted (8 years 9 months 2 days ago) and read 2267 times:
This is great news! At least something good came out of this terrible scandal, the Argentinean government remembered Lafsa. But I am sorry for SW. Happy to hear LAN will take care of them. Now, I am worried of how the Argentine market will behave. AR should be kicking and screaming right now. Hope LAN performs a healthy competence and not start killing everybody.
Do you know if LAN will perform international routes?
Maybe the Puente Aereo...
Tano From Argentina, joined Nov 1999, 59 posts, RR: 2 Reply 2, posted (8 years 9 months 2 days ago) and read 2247 times:
In fact, Lan must purchase a national company to own Lafsa. Argentine law requires foreign ownership not to exceed 49% of an Argentine airline.
There has been a lot of negotiation with A4 owners before, but they did not reach an agreement.
Now things have changed (a lot). I suspect that they will finally sell A4 to our Chilean friends, paving the way. Anyhow Argentine Government guarantees in the new agreement that the routes and flight permissions owned by Lafsa will go to Lan Argentina.
The new agreement states that Lan will provide the means to A4 for 60 days, then negotiate the continuity of that support ("I buy you").
Aero From Germany, joined Oct 2004, 181 posts, RR: 3 Reply 3, posted (8 years 9 months 2 days ago) and read 2246 times:
is this really happening? I´ve just read that LAN denied the operation.
Let´s see. It´d be great to see LAN flying within Argentina.
My flight yesterday (SCL-MAD-FRA) was full from chileans, argentines, brazilians and others. Cabin crew comes nowadays from Chile, Argentina, Perú and Ecuador. LAN becoming a real Latin American airline
Tano From Argentina, joined Nov 1999, 59 posts, RR: 2 Reply 6, posted (8 years 9 months 2 days ago) and read 2207 times:
More on this subject:
Chilean news says that Lan denies the operation as published on Argentine news.
In fact, the purchase is not done (yet). Legal terms and conditions have to be complied with. But there´s an agreement between Lan and the Argentine Government on the matter, saying that Lan will be the "operator" of both Lafsa and A4, taking care of their employees, until those terms and conditions are solved.
Tano From Argentina, joined Nov 1999, 59 posts, RR: 2 Reply 14, posted (8 years 9 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2085 times:
Loud and clear, Lan.
Here are many opinions. AR has a monopoly now, with the arrival of Lan Argentina, they will have to compete. This is a complex, regulated industry, and Government role is important. Argentina lacks a true aerocommercial policy, always solving urgent problems with no long term planning or ruling.
I believe we will have a new situation here. AR has always been state owned and protected until early 90's. Competition were national airlines owned by nationals.
When AR went to "private" (a foreign Government controlled agency) hands, it nearly went broke. Then it changed owners and now is at least making an operational profit (but nobody knows for sure).
Now this new situation: AR in private hands (foreign controlled big tour operator) and Lan Argentina (foreign controlled major continental airline).
Marambio From Argentina, joined Oct 2004, 1158 posts, RR: 27 Reply 16, posted (8 years 9 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2074 times:
Good afternoon gentlemen,
I just got home from college and a friend of mine said hello to me on MSN with the message "Todos somos LAN!"...I immediately started browsing the papers from both Argentina and Chile and I finally found this LAN press release.
Basically it says that LAN, together with Argentinian investors, has started negociations for taking over an Argentine airline, with granted authorizations for flying passengers, cargo and mail in both national and international routes.
The airline will use the name of LAN Argentina and will be a member of the LAN Alliance. As soon as all authorizations are aproved, LAN Argentina will start operating and will offer the Government to take over all Lafsa employees.
This press release refuses everything said by the moron that we have as Secretary of Transport, Ricardo Jaime. Jaime said LAN would operate under the name of LAN Nacional, and that the operation was almost completed.
Currently at Aeroparque Lafsa employees are demonstrating against LAN. They say LAN's secret airline is Aero2000. Aero2000 is an airline that does not exist (it is the very first time that people hear about it) and the name makes us think about...Aeropuertos Argentina 2000. AA2000's CEO is Eduardo Eurnekián, the man who bankrupted Lapa.
I'm speachless and somewhat angry...LAN is finally coming to Argentina...
Aerolíneas Argentinas - La Argentina que levanta vuelo.
UairFokker From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 20, posted (8 years 9 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 1792 times:
Well, like I said before, this could be healthy competition, but, knowing LAN connections, membership of Oneworld, and probably reduced fares, this can also be a blood bath, with SW and American Falcon out of operation, AR in trouble, and if LAN gets in the Puente Aerea, Pluna's most profitable route, I would also be worried for the Uruguayan airline.
I hope this not happens.
I hope there is healthy competition
PPVRA From Brazil, joined Nov 2004, 8761 posts, RR: 42 Reply 24, posted (8 years 9 months 1 day ago) and read 1605 times:
Random question: Why isn't AR in an alliance? Is it because of the CAT II conditions?
IMHO, if AR joins STAR they could very well continue on with a large market share, and likely never really give a chance to LanArgentina to become Argentina's main airline. Obviously that's considering Varig will still be around, which most likely they will be.
Now the situation could change drastically if TAM joins OneWorld, but nothing is certain yet and they could also join Skyteam, or even STAR if RG isn't around anymore.
I don't want to sound like dissing other airlines, but having a good partner in a country that covers about half of South America can, and will help a lot no matter what airline it is, and so far LAN doesn't have this partner airline.
Sure LAN is growing on the "other" half of the continent, but I doubt they can be present in every country. Not to mention that since Brazil is one country it would make all things easier and more efficient than having to deal with several different governments... worst of all: LatAm governments......
Everyone seems to be assuming LAN is bullet proof... they are not. Does AR need to improve? Apparently, but they sure can do it and an alliance can make a world of difference.
PS: Any word on when Argentina might leave CAT II?
"If goods do not cross borders, soldiers will" - Frederic Bastiat
25 Hardiwv: I dont think this is a major issue. Alliances sometimes are not a good option and/or strategy. Look at TAM in Brazil, the biggest Brazilian domestic
26 PPVRA: Hardi, Emirates is a famous airline for having good service, but they are not an "important" airline. If they were an average airline, service wise, m
27 Hardiwv: PPVRA, sorry but I have to disagree. Sometimes airlines get more benefits simply having bilateral agreement. Emirates, VS ad JAL are all very importan
28 PPVRA: Hardi, JAL in not unimportant, but VS does not deserve IMO any merit for what they've done. Anyone can throw in some nice seats, fly to New York and m
29 LVZXV: AR would probably make for an interesting alliance partner, interpret that as you will... AR does have a bilateral agreement with PZ if I am not mista
30 Luisde8cd: Maybe... just like me and more than 50% of my fellow countrymen.