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User currently offlineTano From Argentina, joined Nov 1999, 59 posts, RR: 2
Posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 2539 times:

About an hour ago, Lan directors signed the purchase of Lafsa, the state owned airline that was formed with the LAPA and Dinar personnel when those companies folded up. Lafsa (Lineas Arereas Federales S.A.) has no planes, it had an agreement with Southern Winds (A4) to use their fleet of aging 732´s.

Due to a drug smuggling scandal that was made public a month or so ago, Argentine Government (Lafsa owner) terminated that agreement (on which Argentine Government subsidized ex Dinar and LAPA´s ex-employees salaries and paid the fuel bill).

The purchase includes an agreement that Lan will provide the means ($$$$) to A4 to continue operations (since the Lafsa agreement folded, A4 has to pay the fuel bill cash and had no more reservation system, ex. Short final).

Welcome, Arcanos!

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User currently offlineUairFokker From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 2517 times:

This is great news! At least something good came out of this terrible scandal, the Argentinean government remembered Lafsa. But I am sorry for SW. Happy to hear LAN will take care of them. Now, I am worried of how the Argentine market will behave. AR should be kicking and screaming right now. Hope LAN performs a healthy competence and not start killing everybody.
Do you know if LAN will perform international routes?
Maybe the Puente Aereo...

Regards, UairFokker


User currently offlineTano From Argentina, joined Nov 1999, 59 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 2497 times:

Hola, UairFokker

In fact, Lan must purchase a national company to own Lafsa. Argentine law requires foreign ownership not to exceed 49% of an Argentine airline.

There has been a lot of negotiation with A4 owners before, but they did not reach an agreement.

Now things have changed (a lot). I suspect that they will finally sell A4 to our Chilean friends, paving the way. Anyhow Argentine Government guarantees in the new agreement that the routes and flight permissions owned by Lafsa will go to Lan Argentina.

The new agreement states that Lan will provide the means to A4 for 60 days, then negotiate the continuity of that support ("I buy you").

Saludos.


User currently offlineAero From Germany, joined Oct 2004, 181 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 2496 times:

is this really happening? I´ve just read that LAN denied the operation.
Let´s see. It´d be great to see LAN flying within Argentina.

My flight yesterday (SCL-MAD-FRA) was full from chileans, argentines, brazilians and others. Cabin crew comes nowadays from Chile, Argentina, Perú and Ecuador. LAN becoming a real Latin American airline  Wink

Aero



LAN...the star of the Latin American skies
User currently offlineTano From Argentina, joined Nov 1999, 59 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 2479 times:

Hi Aero,

I am reading on-line major Argentine newspapers with this news on their front page.

More: They are broadcasting an official announcement from the Casa Rosada (Pink House our "White House").

I think this time it´s true....

Cheers.


User currently offlineAero From Germany, joined Oct 2004, 181 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 2458 times:

Thank you Tano...

Which Argentine newspaper?
Because this has been denied in the main Chilean newspaper "El Mercurio"

http://www.emol.com

Saludos!



LAN...the star of the Latin American skies
User currently offlineTano From Argentina, joined Nov 1999, 59 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 2457 times:

More on this subject:

Chilean news says that Lan denies the operation as published on Argentine news.

In fact, the purchase is not done (yet). Legal terms and conditions have to be complied with. But there´s an agreement between Lan and the Argentine Government on the matter, saying that Lan will be the "operator" of both Lafsa and A4, taking care of their employees, until those terms and conditions are solved.

Regards.


User currently offlineTano From Argentina, joined Nov 1999, 59 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 2452 times:

Hi Aero,

See the link below:

http://www.clarin.com/diario/2005/03/11/um/m-936688.htm

Cheers.


User currently offlineAero From Germany, joined Oct 2004, 181 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 2441 times:

from the newspaper "La Tercera"

http://www.tercera.cl/articulo/0,6727,3255_5676_116915111,00.html

Rgs, Aero



LAN...the star of the Latin American skies
User currently offlineTano From Argentina, joined Nov 1999, 59 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 2413 times:

Well?

The major newspapers in Argentina say:
"Chilean Lan takes control of the state owned Lafsa"
http://www.clarin.com/diario/2005/03/11/um/m-936688.htm
"Lan Argentina is created and will take control of Lafsa"
http://www.infobae.com/notas/nota.php?Idx=171514&IdxSeccion=100435
"Lan initiated Lafsa purchase process"
http://www.lanacion.com.ar/economia/nota.asp?nota_id=686612

The major newspapers in Chile say
"Despite Argentine announcement Lan denies Lafsa purchase"
http://www.tercera.cl/articulo/0,6727,3255_5676_116915111,00.html
"Lan denies the purchase of Lafsa and Southern Winds"
http://www.emol.com/noticias/negocio...tallenoticias.asp?idnoticia=175622

I leave you the conclusions...


User currently offlineAero From Germany, joined Oct 2004, 181 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 2392 times:

Probably LAN will take over but they will deny it until the operation is 100% done.

Do you like the idea of having a LanArgentina? How will the Argentines react/ think about it?



LAN...the star of the Latin American skies
User currently offlineLan_Fanatic From Chile, joined Sep 2001, 1071 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 2374 times:

Here is LAN's official press release

in Spanish
http://www18.lan.com/compania/lanchile/noticias/2005_03_11.html

in English
http://www.lan.com/compania/lanchile/noticias/2005_03_11.html


User currently offlineLVZXV From Gabon, joined Mar 2004, 2041 posts, RR: 36
Reply 12, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 2361 times:

I think this was the initial thread:

http://www.airliners.net/discussions...eneral_aviation/read.main/1999575/

Regards,

ZXV



How do you say "12 months" in Estonian?
User currently offlineTACAA320 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 2358 times:

Hear something good about your favourite airline is always nice for your ears.

Congratulations Lan!  Smile


User currently offlineTano From Argentina, joined Nov 1999, 59 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 2335 times:

Loud and clear, Lan.

Here are many opinions. AR has a monopoly now, with the arrival of Lan Argentina, they will have to compete. This is a complex, regulated industry, and Government role is important. Argentina lacks a true aerocommercial policy, always solving urgent problems with no long term planning or ruling.

I believe we will have a new situation here. AR has always been state owned and protected until early 90's. Competition were national airlines owned by nationals.

When AR went to "private" (a foreign Government controlled agency) hands, it nearly went broke. Then it changed owners and now is at least making an operational profit (but nobody knows for sure).

Now this new situation: AR in private hands (foreign controlled big tour operator) and Lan Argentina (foreign controlled major continental airline).

Nice to see what happens in this niche.


User currently offlineTano From Argentina, joined Nov 1999, 59 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 2328 times:

Yes, there was a thread before,

Sorry.


User currently offlineMarambio From UK - Scotland, joined Oct 2004, 1162 posts, RR: 25
Reply 16, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 2324 times:

Good afternoon gentlemen,

I just got home from college and a friend of mine said hello to me on MSN with the message "Todos somos LAN!"...I immediately started browsing the papers from both Argentina and Chile and I finally found this LAN press release.

http://www18.lan.com/compania/lanchile/noticias/2005_03_11.html

Basically it says that LAN, together with Argentinian investors, has started negociations for taking over an Argentine airline, with granted authorizations for flying passengers, cargo and mail in both national and international routes.

The airline will use the name of LAN Argentina and will be a member of the LAN Alliance. As soon as all authorizations are aproved, LAN Argentina will start operating and will offer the Government to take over all Lafsa employees.

This press release refuses everything said by the moron that we have as Secretary of Transport, Ricardo Jaime. Jaime said LAN would operate under the name of LAN Nacional, and that the operation was almost completed.

Currently at Aeroparque Lafsa employees are demonstrating against LAN. They say LAN's secret airline is Aero2000. Aero2000 is an airline that does not exist (it is the very first time that people hear about it) and the name makes us think about...Aeropuertos Argentina 2000. AA2000's CEO is Eduardo Eurnekián, the man who bankrupted Lapa.

I'm speachless and somewhat angry...LAN is finally coming to Argentina...

Saludos,
Marambio



Aerolíneas Argentinas - La Argentina que levanta vuelo
User currently offlineAero From Germany, joined Oct 2004, 181 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 2218 times:

why angry Marambio?

Isn´t it great to have a fair competition? Like Aerolineas del Sur (Subsidary of Aerolineas Argentinas) in Chile flying from Santiago to Punta Arenas, Puerto Montt, Antofagasta y Iquique.

Or are you angry because of the protest of Lafsa?



LAN...the star of the Latin American skies
User currently offlineAero From Germany, joined Oct 2004, 181 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 2167 times:

Breaking news now on all Chilean newspapers like this:

http://www.emol.com/noticias/negocio...tallenoticias.asp?idnoticia=175720



LAN...the star of the Latin American skies
User currently offlineArcano From Chile, joined Mar 2004, 2411 posts, RR: 23
Reply 19, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 2116 times:

Quoting Aero (Reply 3):
LAN becoming a real Latin American airline

We already flight with Argentine pilots within domestic flights in Chile...

Great times for both Chile and Argentina.


http://www.airliners.net/discussions...eneral_aviation/read.main/1999575/


read my comments in the other post



Regards )(



in order: 721,146,732,763,722,343,733,320,772,319,752,321,88,83,744,332,100,738, 333, 318, 77W, 78, 773 and 380
User currently offlineUairFokker From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 2042 times:

Well, like I said before, this could be healthy competition, but, knowing LAN connections, membership of Oneworld, and probably reduced fares, this can also be a blood bath, with SW and American Falcon out of operation, AR in trouble, and if LAN gets in the Puente Aerea, Pluna's most profitable route, I would also be worried for the Uruguayan airline.
I hope this not happens.
I hope there is healthy competition
Regards,

UairFokker
(I like more Pluna, although)


User currently offlineLuisde8cd From Pitcairn Islands, joined Aug 2004, 2575 posts, RR: 31
Reply 21, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 1981 times:

Welcome LAN Argentina!, now where the hell is LAN Venezuela!!!??? we deseperately need a newer fleet in Venezuela!

User currently offlineAero From Germany, joined Oct 2004, 181 posts, RR: 3
Reply 22, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 1904 times:

According to Chilean newspaper "El Mercurio", neither LAFSA nor SW will be taken over by LAN. Instead a new company (owned 49% by LAN and 51% by an Argentine Investor) will be created.

http://diario.elmercurio.com/2005/03...15C10-E800-409A-A0AE-23B38217F136}



LAN...the star of the Latin American skies
User currently offlineArcano From Chile, joined Mar 2004, 2411 posts, RR: 23
Reply 23, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 1861 times:

Quoting Luisde8cd (Reply 21):
now where the hell is LAN Venezuela!!!???

Waiting for Chavez to leave???



in order: 721,146,732,763,722,343,733,320,772,319,752,321,88,83,744,332,100,738, 333, 318, 77W, 78, 773 and 380
User currently offlinePPVRA From Brazil, joined Nov 2004, 8977 posts, RR: 39
Reply 24, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 1855 times:

Random question: Why isn't AR in an alliance? Is it because of the CAT II conditions?

IMHO, if AR joins STAR they could very well continue on with a large market share, and likely never really give a chance to LanArgentina to become Argentina's main airline. Obviously that's considering Varig will still be around, which most likely they will be.

Now the situation could change drastically if TAM joins OneWorld, but nothing is certain yet and they could also join Skyteam, or even STAR if RG isn't around anymore.

I don't want to sound like dissing other airlines, but having a good partner in a country that covers about half of South America can, and will help a lot no matter what airline it is, and so far LAN doesn't have this partner airline.

Sure LAN is growing on the "other" half of the continent, but I doubt they can be present in every country. Not to mention that since Brazil is one country it would make all things easier and more efficient than having to deal with several different governments... worst of all: LatAm governments......

Everyone seems to be assuming LAN is bullet proof... they are not. Does AR need to improve? Apparently, but they sure can do it and an alliance can make a world of difference.

Saludos,

PPVRA

PS: Any word on when Argentina might leave CAT II?



"If goods do not cross borders, soldiers will" - Frederic Bastiat
25 Hardiwv : I dont think this is a major issue. Alliances sometimes are not a good option and/or strategy. Look at TAM in Brazil, the biggest Brazilian domestic
26 PPVRA : Hardi, Emirates is a famous airline for having good service, but they are not an "important" airline. If they were an average airline, service wise, m
27 Hardiwv : PPVRA, sorry but I have to disagree. Sometimes airlines get more benefits simply having bilateral agreement. Emirates, VS ad JAL are all very importan
28 PPVRA : Hardi, JAL in not unimportant, but VS does not deserve IMO any merit for what they've done. Anyone can throw in some nice seats, fly to New York and m
29 LVZXV : AR would probably make for an interesting alliance partner, interpret that as you will... AR does have a bilateral agreement with PZ if I am not mista
30 Luisde8cd : Maybe... just like me and more than 50% of my fellow countrymen.
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