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AA To END SJC-HNL/OGG  
User currently offlineAa777flyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 5487 times:

On July 1, 2005 AA will bring to an end a five year run on its SJC-Hawaii runs.
 Sad The flight has never perfomed all that well and the aircraft can be used in different markets and make more $$, this will also end all 757 ops at SJC. Too bad in its heyday in mid 2001, AA operated 86 flights a day. Sad to see this happen.

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User currently offlineSearpqx From Netherlands, joined Jun 2000, 4344 posts, RR: 10
Reply 1, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 5433 times:

Sad to see this happen. Surprised to hear it wasn't doing well, every time I took the damn thing it was packed, but we all know load doesn't translate to profits.

I wonder if they'll increase HI (especially OGG) flying from elsewhere.

Duane



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User currently offlineRamerinianAir From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1486 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 5369 times:

The SJC-Hawaii flights seemed a little redundant. They serve HNL, OGG, KOA from LAX and they have other flights from the mainland so it seemed that any connecting passengers could also fly thru LAX or ORD on larger a/c. After AA started cutting flights from SJC, I knew these flights would go, the connecting traffic wasn't there anymore and the O&D passengers weren't enough.
-SR



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User currently offlineAa777flyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 5302 times:

Quoting RamerinianAir (Reply 2):
the connecting traffic wasn't there anymore and the O&D passengers weren't enough.

True the connecting traffic was no longer there, but there is a very strong local market to Hawaii out of the Santa Clara County. Infact more Hawaii visitors come from the Santa Clara County than any other county. The trouble with the flight was it was too late in the day to make sense for O/D traffic. If AA would have had this flight leave around 8:00 am, or even 12:00 for that matter I think it would have had a fair shot.


User currently offlineLegacyins From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2135 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 5289 times:

AA will still operate their service to Maui and Honolulu from SFO.


John@SFO
User currently offlineAADC10 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 2102 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 5235 times:

Quoting Aa777flyer (Reply 3):
Infact more Hawaii visitors come from the Santa Clara County than any other county.

Huh? Where did you get that information? More people travel to Hawaii out of the 1.6 million people in Santa Clara county than say out of the 9.9 million people in Los Angeles County? That is a surprise to me. I know that many people from Hawaii settled in Santa Clara county, but there are a lot of them in Los Angeles County as well, not to mention the regular tourists.

Are you only referring to the San Francisco Bay area counties?


User currently offlineSearpqx From Netherlands, joined Jun 2000, 4344 posts, RR: 10
Reply 6, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 5219 times:

Quoting Aa777flyer (Reply 3):
The trouble with the flight was it was too late in the day to make sense for O/D traffic.

And this was the reason I was on it so frequently, since I used it as my flight home, it was one of the few flights from the west coast that let me spend the morning in whatever city I was in and still make it home for work the next day. Oh well, back to the morning departues for me.



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User currently offlineAlb222 From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 222 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 5071 times:

Well, HNL, JFK,BOS from SJC all going or gone. AA builds up SJC and then cuts it back again. NRT better stay or SJC will have an even emptier Int'l arrivals building. I think there are 2 int'l flights out of SJC. MX to GDL and AA to NRT.

User currently offlineOzarkD9S From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5198 posts, RR: 21
Reply 8, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 5019 times:

I wonder if AQ or HA will pick up this route? Seems to suit AQ, smaller equipment.


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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26718 posts, RR: 75
Reply 9, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 4916 times:

Quoting OzarkD9S (Reply 8):
I wonder if AQ or HA will pick up this route? Seems to suit AQ, smaller equipment.

AQ already does OAK, which is not a very long drive or BART ride. HA does SFO



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User currently onlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 59
Reply 10, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 4907 times:

there was some redundancy there with AA, given that AA already serves HNL/OGG from SFO which is about 30 miles north of SJC..........that being said, its sad to see AA pull most of their flights from SJC the past few years, though its not a large airport, I've always thought of it as a nice alternative to SFO.........hopefully AA (or some other carrier with some widebodies) bring more service into SJC............


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User currently offlineATA767 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 419 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 4876 times:

This will help ATA's SFO/HNL/OGG flights and they need it!

User currently offlineAeronuts From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 114 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 4828 times:

SJC was a good experiment for AA while it lasted. SJC is an excellent airport serving the silicon valley's business community, which explains why SWA is doing so well. But for AA, SJC did nothing to connect their Oneworld partners as they all fly into SFO. In the current AA magazine, they listed SFO (not SJC) as one of the connecting airport.

In the long run, AA may be pulling out of SJC and let American Eagle compete with SWA.


User currently offlineAa777jr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 4018 times:

Sure is sad to see AA leaving SJC somewhat. Back in the day, with their NRT TPE CDG HNL OGG etc routes, it looked promising for AA at SJC. Guess the tech industry blowing up and the super high prices of gas have contributed to the demise of AA ops their. What were the loads like on the SJC-HNL, SJC-OGG flights for AA? When did AA end the SJC-CDG run?

Regards.


User currently offlineAloha73G From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2369 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 3970 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 9):
AQ already does OAK, which is not a very long drive or BART ride. HA does SFO

There is no BART connection at all between San Jose (South Bay) and Oakland (East Bay). The BART stops at Milbrae on the San Francisco side (SFO Airport) and at Fremont on the Oakland side (about 20 minutes north of douwntown SJ).

SJC is far and away the #1 airport chouice for the 1 million plus people in the South Bay. I think that with flights timed more like their Oakland flights, ALoha could do well at SJC flying to Hawai'i. San Jose is still a very affluent area (check housing costs in Santa Clara County) and is extremely convenient for alot of people (moreso than OAK or SFO).

-Aloha!



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User currently offlineCkfred From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 5297 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 3815 times:

SJC made sense for AA before the technology bubble burst. Considering all of the layoffs and other cutbacks in the technology sector, I'm surprised that SJC held on this long.

It may be that AA is setting up for some expansion at SFO, especially if UA has to downsize further.


User currently offlineQQflyboy From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 2296 posts, RR: 13
Reply 16, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 3454 times:

SJC-CDG ended either on or very near to 9/11, as did SJC-TPE.


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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33195 posts, RR: 71
Reply 17, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 3446 times:

Quoting ATA767 (Reply 11):
This will help ATA's SFO/HNL/OGG flights and they need it!

Actually, it will help AA's SFO-HNL/OGG flights more than ATA's.

Quoting QQflyboy (Reply 16):
SJC-CDG ended either on or very near to 9/11, as did SJC-TPE.

SJC-CDG ended after 9.11, but was canceled before it.



a.
User currently offlineFlyibaby From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 1017 posts, RR: 6
Reply 18, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 3441 times:

Give it five years or so...and It'll be back to being a hub of sorts for AA; or at least based on their track record. ie. RDU

User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33195 posts, RR: 71
Reply 19, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 3446 times:

It definitley is unfortunate to see how AA has cutback at San Jose.

This is what will be left:
Austin, Dallas, Las Vegas, Los Angeles, O'Hare, Orange County, San Diego, and Tokyo.

It was as recent as August 2001 that they also had:
Boston, Denver, Honolulu, Maui, Miami, New York City, Paris, Phoenix, Portland, St. Louis, Seattle, and Taipei.

In 2002, they announced Raleigh service, but it never started. Last year, they had a short lived daily service to San Luis Obispo.

In 2001, American Airlines was running 71 daily departures from SJC.

This summer, they simply switch the digits: 17 daily flights, plus 28 daily American Eagle flights.



a.
User currently offlineMikesairways From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 721 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 3287 times:
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That really sucks about losing 757's now. I guess I was lucky to fly on one last month from DFW. I once flew the '57 down to SNA. Man those were the days weren't they.


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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26718 posts, RR: 75
Reply 21, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 3269 times:

Quoting Aloha73G (Reply 14):
There is no BART connection at all between San Jose (South Bay) and Oakland (East Bay). The BART stops at Milbrae on the San Francisco side (SFO Airport) and at Fremont on the Oakland side (about 20 minutes north of douwntown SJ).

I was talking about Fremont, which is easily accessable from downtown SJC (most people live in Santa Clara/Milpitas/Cupertino anyway). Then again, you can take CalTrain to Milbrae and BART from there.



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User currently onlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 59
Reply 22, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 3253 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 21):
I was talking about Fremont, which is easily accessable from downtown SJC (most people live in Santa Clara/Milpitas/Cupertino anyway). Then again, you can take CalTrain to Milbrae and BART from there.

true, buts its a royal pain in the bum dealing with CalTrain and BART.....and its not really cheap either for the non-frequent traveler. Plus who wants to deal with 2 different trains before and after a journey?

I take the MUNI and BART (Market St. & Powell St) to SFO...thats bad enough as it is, and on the way back home from SFO, I take the shuttle van (only $20 with tip to the Bay Area).



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User currently offlineQQflyboy From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 2296 posts, RR: 13
Reply 23, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 3160 times:

Not that it couldn't change, but SABRE still shows the first two flights from SJC-DFW as 757s well into July. The latest date I checked was Juy 25. Those were the only two 757s at SJC, however. The cutbacks there are sad. I remember a time when AA's daily SJC departures exceeded SFO's. It has been years since I was based there, but nonetheless, I still feel the loss. It was a great time.


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User currently offlineB742 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2005, 3768 posts, RR: 19
Reply 24, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 3146 times:

That's a real shame!

How is SJC's NRT route doing?


Rob!


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