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User currently offlineMatt27 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 7265 times:

Does anyone know for how long have AA had their present livery?? I really think they should consider something new.

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User currently offlineAirWales From UK - Wales, joined Oct 2004, 453 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 7188 times:

Although their livery seems to have been around forever I do like it - no 777 looks as good as theirs. All silver with the sun shining off it - cant beat it. Could change the eagle though - make it less rigid not get rid of it

User currently offlineAloha717200 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4500 posts, RR: 15
Reply 2, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 7120 times:

I think they should keep it as it is. It's very light and efficient, bare metal and decals. Very little actual paint. A new livery would undoubtedly have more paint on it, which means heavier aircraft, which means more fuel burn, which means increased cost. It's a classic livery, just leave it as it is.

User currently offlineByrdluvs747 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 2359 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 7080 times:

AA's planes look flying toasters. Hopefully, as more and more composites are being used in planes AA will be forced to come up with a new livery. Although this won't happen for years.


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User currently offlineFA4B6 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 7060 times:

I hope that if they ever do update their livery, it'll look like what I found modified airliner photos

http://www.cardatabase.net/modifieda...earch/photo_search.php?id=00000894

http://www.cardatabase.net/modifieda...earch/photo_search.php?id=00000316


User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20632 posts, RR: 62
Reply 5, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 7041 times:

In the late 1960s, American commissioned an industrial designer to develop a new livery. The original design called for a red, white, and blue stripe on each aircraft's fuselage, and a simple "AA" logo, sans eagle, on the tail. However, American's employees revolted when the livery was made public, and launched a "Save the Eagle" campaign similar to the "Save the Flying Red Horse" campaign at Mobil. Eventually, the designer caved in and created a highly stylized eagle, dubbed "the bug," which remains the company's logo to this day.

For many years, American was the only major U.S. airline that left the majority of its aircraft surfaces unpainted. Originally, this was because C. R. Smith hated painted aircraft, and refused to use any liveries that involved painting the entire plane. Crandall later justified the bare-metal design by noting that less paint reduced the aircraft's weight, thus saving on fuel costs.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Airlines



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User currently offlineSFOMEX From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 7037 times:

AA's livery is a classic. It'd be a huge mistake to change it only because it's been around for many years. Just take a look to new MX's livery to realize the risks of changing a livery for the sake of it.

User currently offlineAirgeek12 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 6971 times:

I agree, they SERIOUSLY need a new livery. That aluminum thing is ancient!

User currently offlineAccidentally From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 643 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 6879 times:
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Hell yeah! Wings are ancient too! Time for those classic abominations to go!  hyper 

I love their scheme. Personal preference...it's age in years has nothing to do with it.



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User currently offlineJfkaua From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 1000 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 6850 times:

Quoting AirWales (Reply 2):
Although their livery seems to have been around forever I do like it - no 777 looks as good as theirs.

Except for the KLM's


User currently offlineAirlinerfreak From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 6801 times:

My opinion is that AA has the most cost effective livery. Whether or not it is the best I will not say but it has to be by far one of the easiest and least expensive to maintain.

User currently offlineFlagshipAZ From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3419 posts, RR: 14
Reply 11, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 6782 times:

AA's livery has been around for 30+ years. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. Leave it alone. Regards.


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User currently offlineIsitsafenow From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4984 posts, RR: 23
Reply 12, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 6770 times:

!968 was the year AA started to re paint planes from the lightning bolt scheme of the 30's. The BAC 1-11's were NOT painted in the three stripe scheme.
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User currently offlineAA777 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 2544 posts, RR: 28
Reply 13, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 6727 times:
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I think it looks awesome. I havent seen one livery that I think looks better...ie, proposed liveries for AA. Its a classic. I love it when they are freshly cleaned, and shiny, and you can see all the surrounding things reflected in the metal.

What other livery lets you have awesome pics like this?





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User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12110 posts, RR: 48
Reply 14, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 6718 times:
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It might be a classic though it could be updated and brought into the 21st century.


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User currently offlineStarCruiser From United States of America, joined May 2004, 301 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 6718 times:

Quoting Airgeek12 (Reply 8):
I agree, they SERIOUSLY need a new livery. That aluminum thing is ancient!

As a former employee who was around when the livery was changed, I can only tell you that the current livery is a classic and it is beautiful. Yes, I was one who campaigned to keep the eagle and the new livery with the eagle is perfect. So why change it for the sake of changing? It is one of the most recognized brands on earth. Besides, we are talking a thousand planes here including Eagle. I think American has far better things to worry about than finding a new livery. Geez, you want to change the American flag too?


User currently offlineRj111 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 6717 times:

AA livery is awesome

Any idea on how much weight they actually save by not painting it?


User currently offlineAirgeek12 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 6686 times:

Quoting AirWales (Reply 2):
no 777 looks as good as theirs

I dunno.. the UA 777 in the new UA livery looks pretty snappy!


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User currently offlineContnlEliteCMH From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1458 posts, RR: 44
Reply 18, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 6658 times:

Quoting Airgeek12 (Reply 18):
I dunno.. the UA 777 in the new UA livery looks pretty snappy!

Ick. I was not happy when UA came out with the new livery, for two reasons: blue, and white. I am so sick of blue and white. Even my favorite airline is blue and white.

It seems like every airline you fly now has blue interiors. I think you could blindfold me, walk me into a plane, and I couldn't tell you whose it was because they are all blue. I remember flying a new CO 737 in spring 1989, and I seem to recall it had a brown leather interior. I'd give anything to have that brown leather interior back. How about some red, or green? Personally, I like the song interiors. ANYTHING BUT MORE FREAKIN' BLUE AND WHITE!!!!

Amerian has long been my favorite exterior livery. Something about early memories. And those American livery sketches linked earlier in this thread: I hope they NEVER use those. Yawn...



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User currently offlineFirstclasser From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 116 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 6632 times:

Does American have IFE in Domestic 767 economy section? (a bit off-topic, i know)

User currently offlineHa763 From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 3657 posts, RR: 5
Reply 20, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 6629 times:
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The only change I would like to see AA make on their current fleet is the use of silver paint on composite parts instead of gray. Also, when they get around to ordering the 787 (come on does anyone think they are not going to eventually) that they also use silver to protect the composite and especially not use gray or white.

Quoting Rj111 (Reply 17):
Any idea on how much weight they actually save by not painting it?

Here's a table showing how much a full paint job, upper half only, and polished with airline markings weighs on various Boeing aircraft:

http://www.boeing.com/commercial/aer...gazine/aero_05/fo/fo01/table1.html


User currently offlineCarpethead From Japan, joined Aug 2004, 2954 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 6532 times:

I agree with Ha763, until an aircraft with composite fuselage comes into AA's fleet, they will keep the bare metal colors.
Personnally, I think there's nothing wrong with the current livery. Except for at times it's really hard to read the regs off the aircraft or prints/slides.


User currently offline757223 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 83 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 6049 times:

In addition to being simple and cost-effective, AA has a brand we can easily recognize and relate to. On the contrary, think about how many times Delta has changed their livery.

[Edited 2005-03-13 06:43:17]


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User currently offlineMarkdirk From Canada, joined Sep 2004, 99 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 5918 times:

Nothing needs to be changed to their livery, it is the classic, personally I love boarding an aircraft that is silver metal brings me back to the old days when all aircraft were bare metal, and the classiness and ambiance of the era that no longer exists inside the tube, at least the exterior still emanates the classiness of that era, let's hope what goes around comes around and pax will soon remember they are boarding an "Aircraft" and not just subway train to dogpatch! Which is the way most Americans now dress on flights. American has stuck to tradition and kept the beautiful bare metal, this shows the pax from the get go it is an aircraft, not a painted billboard or a colorful float they are on to fly from destination to destination. We need more metal across the board, what's the old saying, "what's old becomes new again!" the airline fashion of bare metal is back in style, others should take notice, this is only my opinion, but I think it's great.

User currently offlineAA B777-200 From Netherlands, joined Mar 2001, 505 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 5674 times:

Noop, let's not change our classic silverbirds, the silver rules! And I bet a lot of you will agree with me. Right?

Maybe they can make small adjustments, just like KLM did, but they should stick to their colorscheme and NOT change the AA logo!

ContnlEliteCMH,
I agree. I have no idea why UA had to change their livery so soon. Last week I saw a 'new' 763 at Amsterdam and went "eeeewww, what's that?!". Maybe it's not that bad, but it's not a distinctive identity.


25 Infiniti757 : Why aren't any of the Eagle or Connection planes painted or rather not painted like the mainline fleet?
26 Post contains images Bully707 : Oh please...WHY??? Not another white whale!!! Leave it as it is!! It's a classic... !!! Luxuryliners are beautyful!!!! Godspeed Bully
27 Bully707 : Sorry..but I SERIOUSLY disagree !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Is it just me, or do most of the "new" liveries look dull and boring??? Yes there are some
28 Lincoln : I for one like AA's livery, and I think many Americans -- not just aviation buffs -- could point out an American jet sans titles with almost no effort
29 AA B777-200 : New liveries? I guess some did okay, NW, CX, CO, JL. But UA? Please!!!!
30 Jetdeltamsy : the livery may seem dated. but american's aircraft are the most beautiful in the air.
31 AsstChiefMark : I feel AA is, for the lack of a better term or comparison, the USA's "state" airline. The gleaming aluminum accented in a simple red, white, and blue
32 Flyibaby : The bare look is okay...but some change is needed. I said in a thread a week or two ago, just bring back the retro look to the entire fleet which enco
33 ANCFlyer : I agree AAs livery is a classic. And I don't see a need to change it just for the sake of changing it. That said, I agree with FA4B6 here . . . the fi
34 Bully707 : Yes...the Astroliner (?) colours were among the most beautiful around!!!! Doesn't it look too much like Aeroflot??? Bully
35 Post contains images ANCFlyer : Nope, I don't think so - not at all . . . Especially like the fictional AA tail logo Eagle. . . .
36 Post contains images Bully707 : I just compared the fotos...and you're probably right...!! Never the less....leave AA's c/s untouched !!! Please....!!! Godspeed Bully
37 Panam64 : CO's 777 looks good and so does Singapore 50th, though that is been revised since it has been some time ago.
38 ARCJET : The American scheme is classic, beautiful and stands the test of time and needs no changing. The "AA" has flown the skies since October 1968 and is a
39 Jonty : If somethings not broken don't fix it!!! It looks good, its cost effective, why change it for changings sake??? - look at BA and its world tails and f
40 Sunking737 : If AA were to change its logo and put white paint on their planes, C.R. Smith would come back from the dead. Twice in its past they painted a airplane
41 DeltaWings : I don't like the AA livery. It's too outdated. Give me the new OS livery anytime. I think AA Should change it soon. As an idea, I think they should ta
42 UAcsOKC : They are painted- with a clear coat to provide corrosion protection.
43 StarCruiser : Actually since the colors of the American flag are red, white and blue that might be the reason most American carriers opt to go with those colors fo
44 Airways6max : AA's current livery has in use since 1969. I quite agree Matt 27, time for a new color-scheme.
45 Lincoln : I really think American should bring back the "We're American Airlines"/"doing what we do best" jingle/ad campaign... It's classic, it sounds good, a
46 JBo : I think the Eagle/Connection aircraft are painted white because the regional aircraft use alot more composite parts than the mainline craft. Or at le
47 Galapagapop : AA's livery is timeless and looks great on all aircraft. Its a symbol. But we'll have to see with all the composite aircraft comign out. MAybe a more
48 LY4XELD : They are certainly NOT painted. There is a clear coat on top of polished metal. I believe WN's livery was inspired by the blue sky, not the US flag.
49 JonnyGT : Every time I see those AA T7's landing at DFW I am still in awe. An absolute classic livery, and I will be sad if they ever change it. How could you r
50 Post contains images AirEMS : Just wondering here with AA having the largest fleet in the world... How much would it cost to change livery on the fleet? Also would it make sense to
51 Matt27 : Well, AA have had their livery for 37 years now, and it doesn't matter how classic the livery is, it is still not good, and it isn't getting any bette
52 AFinMIA : I like their livery, it's very distinct. As for UA It is to plain looking, and although I really like NWAs new livery, I really hate that on a certain
53 ARCJET : How should they paint their planes? White fuselage with red engines and a blue tail with the word "american" in lower case?
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