AirWales From UK - Wales, joined Oct 2004, 453 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (10 years 11 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 7560 times:
Although their livery seems to have been around forever I do like it - no 777 looks as good as theirs. All silver with the sun shining off it - cant beat it. Could change the eagle though - make it less rigid not get rid of it
Aloha717200 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4549 posts, RR: 13
Reply 2, posted (10 years 11 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 7492 times:
I think they should keep it as it is. It's very light and efficient, bare metal and decals. Very little actual paint. A new livery would undoubtedly have more paint on it, which means heavier aircraft, which means more fuel burn, which means increased cost. It's a classic livery, just leave it as it is.
AeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20822 posts, RR: 60
Reply 5, posted (10 years 11 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 7413 times:
In the late 1960s, American commissioned an industrial designer to develop a new livery. The original design called for a red, white, and blue stripe on each aircraft's fuselage, and a simple "AA" logo, sans eagle, on the tail. However, American's employees revolted when the livery was made public, and launched a "Save the Eagle" campaign similar to the "Save the Flying Red Horse" campaign at Mobil. Eventually, the designer caved in and created a highly stylized eagle, dubbed "the bug," which remains the company's logo to this day.
For many years, American was the only major U.S. airline that left the majority of its aircraft surfaces unpainted. Originally, this was because C. R. Smith hated painted aircraft, and refused to use any liveries that involved painting the entire plane. Crandall later justified the bare-metal design by noting that less paint reduced the aircraft's weight, thus saving on fuel costs.
SFOMEX From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (10 years 11 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 7409 times:
AA's livery is a classic. It'd be a huge mistake to change it only because it's been around for many years. Just take a look to new MX's livery to realize the risks of changing a livery for the sake of it.
AA777 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 2560 posts, RR: 25
Reply 13, posted (10 years 11 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 7099 times:
I think it looks awesome. I havent seen one livery that I think looks better...ie, proposed liveries for AA. Its a classic. I love it when they are freshly cleaned, and shiny, and you can see all the surrounding things reflected in the metal.
What other livery lets you have awesome pics like this?
StarCruiser From United States of America, joined May 2004, 301 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (10 years 11 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 7090 times:
Quoting Airgeek12 (Reply 8): I agree, they SERIOUSLY need a new livery. That aluminum thing is ancient!
As a former employee who was around when the livery was changed, I can only tell you that the current livery is a classic and it is beautiful. Yes, I was one who campaigned to keep the eagle and the new livery with the eagle is perfect. So why change it for the sake of changing? It is one of the most recognized brands on earth. Besides, we are talking a thousand planes here including Eagle. I think American has far better things to worry about than finding a new livery. Geez, you want to change the American flag too?
ContnlEliteCMH From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1477 posts, RR: 44
Reply 18, posted (10 years 11 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 7030 times:
Quoting Airgeek12 (Reply 18): I dunno.. the UA 777 in the new UA livery looks pretty snappy!
Ick. I was not happy when UA came out with the new livery, for two reasons: blue, and white. I am so sick of blue and white. Even my favorite airline is blue and white.
It seems like every airline you fly now has blue interiors. I think you could blindfold me, walk me into a plane, and I couldn't tell you whose it was because they are all blue. I remember flying a new CO 737 in spring 1989, and I seem to recall it had a brown leather interior. I'd give anything to have that brown leather interior back. How about some red, or green? Personally, I like the song interiors. ANYTHING BUT MORE FREAKIN' BLUE AND WHITE!!!!
Amerian has long been my favorite exterior livery. Something about early memories. And those American livery sketches linked earlier in this thread: I hope they NEVER use those. Yawn...
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Ha763 From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 3735 posts, RR: 5
Reply 20, posted (10 years 11 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 7001 times:
The only change I would like to see AA make on their current fleet is the use of silver paint on composite parts instead of gray. Also, when they get around to ordering the 787 (come on does anyone think they are not going to eventually) that they also use silver to protect the composite and especially not use gray or white.
Quoting Rj111 (Reply 17): Any idea on how much weight they actually save by not painting it?
Here's a table showing how much a full paint job, upper half only, and polished with airline markings weighs on various Boeing aircraft:
Carpethead From Japan, joined Aug 2004, 3042 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (10 years 11 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 6904 times:
I agree with Ha763, until an aircraft with composite fuselage comes into AA's fleet, they will keep the bare metal colors.
Personnally, I think there's nothing wrong with the current livery. Except for at times it's really hard to read the regs off the aircraft or prints/slides.
Markdirk From Canada, joined Sep 2004, 99 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (10 years 11 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 6290 times:
Nothing needs to be changed to their livery, it is the classic, personally I love boarding an aircraft that is silver metal brings me back to the old days when all aircraft were bare metal, and the classiness and ambiance of the era that no longer exists inside the tube, at least the exterior still emanates the classiness of that era, let's hope what goes around comes around and pax will soon remember they are boarding an "Aircraft" and not just subway train to dogpatch! Which is the way most Americans now dress on flights. American has stuck to tradition and kept the beautiful bare metal, this shows the pax from the get go it is an aircraft, not a painted billboard or a colorful float they are on to fly from destination to destination. We need more metal across the board, what's the old saying, "what's old becomes new again!" the airline fashion of bare metal is back in style, others should take notice, this is only my opinion, but I think it's great.
AA B777-200 From Netherlands, joined Mar 2001, 507 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (10 years 11 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 6046 times:
Noop, let's not change our classic silverbirds, the silver rules! And I bet a lot of you will agree with me. Right?
Maybe they can make small adjustments, just like KLM did, but they should stick to their colorscheme and NOT change the AA logo!
I agree. I have no idea why UA had to change their livery so soon. Last week I saw a 'new' 763 at Amsterdam and went "eeeewww, what's that?!". Maybe it's not that bad, but it's not a distinctive identity.
: Why aren't any of the Eagle or Connection planes painted or rather not painted like the mainline fleet?
: Oh please...WHY??? Not another white whale!!! Leave it as it is!! It's a classic... !!! Luxuryliners are beautyful!!!! Godspeed Bully
: Sorry..but I SERIOUSLY disagree !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Is it just me, or do most of the "new" liveries look dull and boring??? Yes there are some
: I for one like AA's livery, and I think many Americans -- not just aviation buffs -- could point out an American jet sans titles with almost no effort
29 AA B777-200
: New liveries? I guess some did okay, NW, CX, CO, JL. But UA? Please!!!!
: the livery may seem dated. but american's aircraft are the most beautiful in the air.
: I feel AA is, for the lack of a better term or comparison, the USA's "state" airline. The gleaming aluminum accented in a simple red, white, and blue
: The bare look is okay...but some change is needed. I said in a thread a week or two ago, just bring back the retro look to the entire fleet which enco
: I agree AAs livery is a classic. And I don't see a need to change it just for the sake of changing it. That said, I agree with FA4B6 here . . . the fi
: Yes...the Astroliner (?) colours were among the most beautiful around!!!! Doesn't it look too much like Aeroflot??? Bully
: Nope, I don't think so - not at all . . . Especially like the fictional AA tail logo Eagle. . . .
: I just compared the fotos...and you're probably right...!! Never the less....leave AA's c/s untouched !!! Please....!!! Godspeed Bully
: CO's 777 looks good and so does Singapore 50th, though that is been revised since it has been some time ago.
: The American scheme is classic, beautiful and stands the test of time and needs no changing. The "AA" has flown the skies since October 1968 and is a
: If somethings not broken don't fix it!!! It looks good, its cost effective, why change it for changings sake??? - look at BA and its world tails and f
: If AA were to change its logo and put white paint on their planes, C.R. Smith would come back from the dead. Twice in its past they painted a airplane
: I don't like the AA livery. It's too outdated. Give me the new OS livery anytime. I think AA Should change it soon. As an idea, I think they should ta
: They are painted- with a clear coat to provide corrosion protection.
: Actually since the colors of the American flag are red, white and blue that might be the reason most American carriers opt to go with those colors fo
: AA's current livery has in use since 1969. I quite agree Matt 27, time for a new color-scheme.
: I really think American should bring back the "We're American Airlines"/"doing what we do best" jingle/ad campaign... It's classic, it sounds good, a
: I think the Eagle/Connection aircraft are painted white because the regional aircraft use alot more composite parts than the mainline craft. Or at le
: AA's livery is timeless and looks great on all aircraft. Its a symbol. But we'll have to see with all the composite aircraft comign out. MAybe a more
: They are certainly NOT painted. There is a clear coat on top of polished metal. I believe WN's livery was inspired by the blue sky, not the US flag.
: Every time I see those AA T7's landing at DFW I am still in awe. An absolute classic livery, and I will be sad if they ever change it. How could you r
: Just wondering here with AA having the largest fleet in the world... How much would it cost to change livery on the fleet? Also would it make sense to
: Well, AA have had their livery for 37 years now, and it doesn't matter how classic the livery is, it is still not good, and it isn't getting any bette
: I like their livery, it's very distinct. As for UA It is to plain looking, and although I really like NWAs new livery, I really hate that on a certain
: How should they paint their planes? White fuselage with red engines and a blue tail with the word "american" in lower case?