Panaman From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 439 posts, RR: 0 Posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 2705 times:
Not announced yet, but it will be. Good friend of mine in DEN gave me this info. Likely flown with the Horizon CRJ-700's. According to my friend in DEN, this was "the worst kept secret in the company". Too bad they didn't choose CMH, I would have used them all the time.
M
Sorry I moved from SXM, looking for a new house on Anguilla now!
Alphascan From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 936 posts, RR: 14 Reply 1, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 2655 times:
Reasons why your friend is mistaken:
CAK/DEN has a daily O&D of only 39 passengers. There are several cities closer to DEN with much higher O&D traffic, including CMH with 239 daily passengers.
F9 has yet to dispatch its RJ fleet on flights longer than 1000 miles. CAK is 1200+. CMH is 1100+.
F9 management are creatures of habit. They choose new cities by high O&D traffic and especially those cities where DEN originating traffic wants to fly.
CAK doesn't fit the model.
"To he who only has a hammer in his toolbelt, every problem looks like a nail."
Flyibaby From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 1015 posts, RR: 6 Reply 2, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 2640 times:
I would be willing to bet they put this rumor out themselves to protect whatever really will be getting announced. Unless they have a contract with someone though, I seriously doubt Akron is a new city.
Luv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 11957 posts, RR: 51 Reply 3, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 2608 times:
Being here in Ohio I would also say I really doubt it as well.
TWA902fly From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 3048 posts, RR: 4 Reply 4, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 2587 times:
Or this could be a rumor to piss of CLE, since Cleveland chased away the likes of Frontier and JetBlue
Maybe they mean to spread this 'rumor', because i am guessing Cleveland would hate to lose an airline to Akron, like they did AirTran.
Quoting Alphascan (Reply 1): CAK/DEN has a daily O&D of only 39 passengers.
I bet if these flights were to happen for real, they would try to capture some of the DEN-CLE passengers as well... which would add to that 39, plus since no one offers CAK-west coast, there will be more than 39 passengers daily on that route, connecting in Denver flying onwards.
TWA902
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727lover From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5722 posts, RR: 20 Reply 5, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 2569 times:
Quoting Alphascan (Reply 1): F9 management are creatures of habit. They choose new cities by high O&D traffic and especially those cities where DEN originating traffic wants to fly.
Panaman From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 439 posts, RR: 0 Reply 6, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 2548 times:
Alphascan, just wait and see. CAK will be announced, even if it "doesn't fit the model". You can't just look at local O&D figures.
Sorry I moved from SXM, looking for a new house on Anguilla now!
AS739X From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 5820 posts, RR: 23 Reply 7, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 2531 times:
That will be very exciting. I can fly home from SFO with 1-stop on another carrier. I sure hope the rumor was true. I had mention CAK before and was blown of by other. Maybe its true!
ASSFO
"Some pilots avoid storm cells and some play connect the dots!"
MSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 6242 posts, RR: 51 Reply 8, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2513 times:
Akron would be a very interesting choice. I think it would do well. The CR7 is the perfect aircraft for this route. It's not like the Horizon CR7's are uncomfortable for pete's sake.
ATLFlyer323 From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 558 posts, RR: 0 Reply 9, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2507 times:
I hope the rumors true to I fly to CAK a lot and would love to see a F9 jet there, and that means cheaper ways of getting west then US Airways or Northwest!!
~Brandon
AS739X From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 5820 posts, RR: 23 Reply 11, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2463 times:
When would this announcement be?
ASSFO
"Some pilots avoid storm cells and some play connect the dots!"
Jetmek319 From Germany, joined Sep 2003, 199 posts, RR: 2 Reply 13, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 2385 times:
Right after the announcements about McMurdo (Antarctica), and Wellington, NZ.
I don't see it happening. Horizon doesn't hace CRJ's too spare and we're not taking enough new Airbii this year to mainline it. Stay tuned...
BTW- There was just a hot corporate memo sent to F9 employees about "leaks", especially new routes, etc. So warn your "friend" Panaman, they'll get smoked for releasing info.
Midway2airtran From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 864 posts, RR: 2 Reply 15, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 2292 times:
Gee, I thought that was already true when I saw it in the forum list.
My personal suggestion when starting a rumor thread like this..
Try a title like "Frontier could/may announce CAK service". Or at least add a question mark at the end.
I wouldn't totally rule out CAK as a possibility, but why would F9 do it with the availablity of what appear to be better new markets for them? Some kind of incentive involved?
Now if the rumor is true, I guess F9 has spotted something with the AirTran activity going on there now, but there is doubt with those O&D numbers said above though they do not have a source. Generally most LCC's prefer high O&D to produce the greatest yields. However, you can not rely on regular O&D numbers alone, especially when you are dealing with an LCC.
MSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 6242 posts, RR: 51 Reply 16, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2232 times:
Actually I think the Horizon CR7's are comfortable. I'm a pretty big guy and I didn't find them bad at all. Just as good in terms of comfort factor as the Delta 757's I just flew on. There is no reason why those planes can't be used on longer flights. Just give people a nonstop flight. That's all that really matters when it comes down to it. I hardly ever have people ask me what kind of plane they will be flying on...maybe one a month, if that.
Personally i'd rather see SAT than CAK. CAK may work though, who knows.
Alphascan From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 936 posts, RR: 14 Reply 17, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 1934 times:
Quoting Panaman (Reply 6): Alphascan, just wait and see. CAK will be announced, even if it "doesn't fit the model". You can't just look at local O&D figures.
Well you were right Panaman. Frontier will announce new service to CAK and SAT later today. Indications are that the CAK service will consist of two daily RTs on A319s.
As far as looking at O&D, F9 is almost fanatical about DEN O&D traffic. The vast majority of their retail initiatives in the last year (5 out of 7) were for flights to and from DEN with no connects over DEN being put on sale.
MSYtristar said last month that there would be a "stunner" in the new city announcements....CAK certainly fits that category.
I realize the CAK area is one of the fastest growing areas in the nation east of the Rockies. I also realize that the DOT stats for O&D on feeder carriers are terribly inaccurate and that there is likely to be "spill traffic" from fortress CLE.
However, I'm uncomfortable with this decision. Even if the DOT O&D numbers are off by 200%, there are other cities with more traffic and higher average fares which are closer to DEN for better aircraft utilization.
I hope I'm wrong...again.
"To he who only has a hammer in his toolbelt, every problem looks like a nail."
Jetpixx From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 811 posts, RR: 2 Reply 18, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 1920 times:
I am flying into CAK later on this afternoon....I would love to see Frontier in CAK and can definitely see this happening.
CAK has grown tremendously over the past few years. Even though I am staying only 3 mi. from CLE, I choose to fly into CAK for the extremely low fares. Between CO running up the fares and the (mis-)management by Hopkins with landing fees, etc. - chasing away jetBlue, LH Cargo, Frontier, etc. - I could see CAK getting west coast service. While the O&D might only be 39 between CAK and DEN - I am sure if you toss in LAS, LAX, SFO, etc. - as well as people like me who prefer CAK over CLE - that number would grow exponentially....
I don't much care for rumors and will believe it when I see it, but it seems pretty likely to me. I wonder why people are knocking the CR7s so much, too. The CRJ-200s are brutal, but I am very comfortable on CR7s and EMB-145s....two of my legs today - PBI-TLH and ATL-CAK are on 700s.....
Blackhawk144 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 19, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 1890 times:
Quoting United4everDEN (Reply 12): Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 8):
It's not like the Horizon CR7's are uncomfortable for pete's sake.
Haha, good one. It was after flying a QX CR7 that I decided to never fly a CRJ again
Before you complain about QX CR7 service, why don't you try complaining about CRJ-500s, they're much more cramped, IMO. I personally find CRJ-700s VERY comfortable, definately the most comfortable of all RJs I've ever flown.
TOLtommy From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3220 posts, RR: 4 Reply 20, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 1862 times:
Well it sounds like this might be true! Here's an article in today's Akron Beacon Journal:
"On June 15, Frontier Airlines will begin two daily flights between Akron-Canton Airport and Frontier's hub at Denver International Airport, said Zoe Guynn, Frontier's manager of corporate communications."
Looks like it won't be the CRJ after all either:
"Continental and United both have two daily nonstop flights to Denver from Hopkins. Continental uses full-size jets that seat more than 100 people, and United uses regional jets that seat about 70. Frontier will have new full-size jets that seat about 130 people, Guynn said."
Glad to see it's going to be mainline. I think CAK customers have gotten used to FL's full size 717's. 3+ hours to DEN would've been too long on any CRJ.
TOLtommy From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3220 posts, RR: 4 Reply 23, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 1826 times:
7e7 - I just feel claustrophobic on long regional flights. CRJ cabin is tight, especially along the window seats, I feel like I have to lean in. In the winter it's worse, full plane, heavy coats, etc.... I'll take a NW DC9 over a CRJ anyday. I like the Airbus, it should work well from CAK. I would think a 318 would be almost perfect for starting DEN-CAK.
Amrapcle From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 22 posts, RR: 0 Reply 24, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 1824 times:
It's loaded in Sabre......using a A319
25 AmrapCLE: Actually an A318 in the morning and a A319 at night.
26 TOLtommy: Very nice, I think it'll do well at CAK. Gate space it tight there because of construction. Wonder what they'll use. Only 2 jetbridges there now. Gate
27 Flyinryan99: Flight Departing Arriving Stops / Aircraft Duration Seats available 1st Biz Eco Frontier Airlines F9 496 Akron (CAK), Akron Canton, Ohio, USA 06:40 De
28 Planesntrains: Exactly! I flew a Horizon CRJ-700 Tucson-San Jose and was impressed enough to put my family on one roundtrip Seattle-Long Beach, when Horizon was doi
29 Jetmek319: I am now removing my foot before picking up my jaw!!!! Good call Panaman!!
30 RL757PVD: Does your good friend in DEN who leaked this to you know when PVD service will start?
31 AS739X: Thank you F9, you guys just made my day! ASSFO
32 September11: Welcome to Akron, Frontier Airlines
33 F9Animal: San Antonio too!!!! SAT!!!! YIPPPEEEE!!! Or should I say,,,, YEEEHAAAAAA!!!! Frontier adding pair of twice-daily routes Frontier Airlines will begin t
34 N766UA: Way to go in screwing that up, Cleveland. You flippen' idiots... chalk up another airline we scared away.
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