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User currently offlineRolo987 From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 293 posts, RR: 0
Posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 7950 times:

I was recently on a red eye flight and I found it very difficult to get into a comfortable sleeping position. I eventually got to sleep somewhat uncomfortably: on my traytable. I know there has to be a better way than this, i.e. one of those neck pillows. What is the best way that one can easily sleep comfortably in Economy?

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User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19230 posts, RR: 52
Reply 1, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 7929 times:

I sit up-straight and either go to sleep like that or tilt my head to the left-hand side. Works well for me, especially if I am sleepy anyway.


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User currently offlineN62NA From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4469 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 7902 times:

Well, at least you got to sleep, Rolo987 - I have never been able to sleep on a plane.

I'm hoping to get one of those few daytime flights to Europe this summer, just to avoid the long overnite flight across the Atlantic!


User currently offlineZRH From Switzerland, joined Nov 1999, 5568 posts, RR: 35
Reply 3, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 7876 times:

You will never ever find an comfortable way to sleep in these cattle classes. BTW if you transported cattle in our country in the way how airlines put passengers in economy class, the animal protection organizations would sue the transport companies.  Wink

User currently offlineUnitedStarGold From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 100 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 7864 times:

Quoting N62NA (Reply 2):
just to avoid the long overnite flight across the Atlantic!

The problem with eastbound transatlantic flights is that unless you're flying from the west coast, the flight is really quite short and does not allow for more than 4-5 hours of sleep unless you go to sleep as soon as you board and skip all meals. Very few can actually do that, least of all in economy!

Some swear by sleeping pills; I don't recommend that, but it could work for you.



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User currently offlineB4real From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2644 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 7837 times:

When in economy, I put my elbows on my knees and rest my head in my hands. This way my neck does not get in bad position and I'm balanced when the a/c shifts or bumps.


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User currently offlineN62NA From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4469 posts, RR: 7
Reply 6, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 7835 times:

Thanks for the advice, UnitedStarGold, but now that I'm living down at MIA, the flight over to Europe is about 8 hours or so.

I'm actually planning on flying up to BOS the night before, then taking the 9am flight over to LHR the next morning! Crazy, I know...  crazy 


User currently onlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7582 posts, RR: 42
Reply 7, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 7837 times:

Wow, that was so darn funny ZRH!!! Hahaha.

I must say that it is possible to sleep at least a little bit if you get decent seat pitch. I just flew in an AM MD-87 in coach on Thursday evening and I was amazed by the comfort of the plane. The seats are wide enough and the pitch is just awesome. I know it is only 2 or 3 inches more than, say an AF 744, or so, but psychologically it felt to me like economy plus or something.

If you just can't take a true "mrtc" carrier, then make sure you go out the night before and don't get any sleep and you'll see how you'll sleep even if the flight is long and full.



Next flights: MEX-GRU (AM 77E), GRU-GIG (JJ A320), SDU-CGH (G3 73H), GRU-MEX (JJ A332).
User currently offlineB4real From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2644 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 7828 times:

Hey EddieDude!

The AM MD-87s are nice. I, however, do not like the bulkhead rows on the MD (Coach or Clase Premier), they feel a little light on the pitch.



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User currently offlineLemurs From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1439 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 7789 times:

A trick I use that works for me on a fairly consistent basis...take my coat, or extra pillows/blankets you can collect (I fly CO, so this works for me) and wedge them in your lower back area, then slouch. You can get more reclined than normal without waking up with a back ache.

Obviously, this only works if you're short enough and don't have a history of back pain, but it works like a charm for me and some of my shorter friends!



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User currently offlineOzGlobal From France, joined Nov 2004, 2721 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 7773 times:

Use headrest 'wings' or even better, the BA head side supports. If you do this you shouldn't need the neck pillow. Better to sleep with your spine and neck straight if you can.


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User currently offlineRichard28 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2003, 1619 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 7768 times:

Managed to sleep about 5 hours on Etihad recently.

Fell asleep over Iran, and awoke over Switzerland - very happy!

For me I need a window seat, and preferably two cussions, one for lumber support, and one for my head.

The other critical factor is temperature - if its to warm then I just cannot sleep.

Rich.


User currently offlineUnitedStarGold From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 100 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 7756 times:

Quoting N62NA (Reply 6):
I'm actually planning on flying up to BOS the night before, then taking the 9am flight over to LHR the next morning! Crazy, I know...

Actually, I don't necessarily think you're crazy for doing that! If you've got the time, and don't mind spending money on a hotel (the airport Hilton is adequate in terms of comfort and is connected to the terminal), then it certainly makes for a more comfortable trip. Getting into London at night is wonderful compared to a morning arrival.

I live an hour's drive from my local airport; if I have a flight that departs before 8AM, I spend the night before in a decent hotel that I book through Priceline for $50.

It occured to me - if you're not loyal to OneWorld or a VS flyer (no Star Alliance carrier flying BOS-LHR), you could go through IAD and fly a UA 763 to LHR on a day flight. That's an easy enough flight from MIA, and you may just be able to avoid flying up the night before if you can get an early enough flight.



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User currently onlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7582 posts, RR: 42
Reply 13, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 7752 times:

Hey Rick! Agreed on the AM MD-87 bulkhead seat pitch issue. My return flight today was in Clase Premier (seat 1D) and although I very comfortable at all times, I did get the impression that the other 2 rows had perhaps slightly better pitch. As for the coach cabin, the pitch in the bulkhead row is just average, whereas the pitch in all other coach rows is outstanding.

Anyway, I guess sleeping is not really an issue in flights that are less than 4 hours, so perhaps what our friend Rolo should do is try to find a decent WT+ fare for the U.S.-LHR flight if he flies BA, or fly UA Y+ (using an upgrade or something).



Next flights: MEX-GRU (AM 77E), GRU-GIG (JJ A320), SDU-CGH (G3 73H), GRU-MEX (JJ A332).
User currently offlineOrion737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 7731 times:

Temazepam helps you nod off. Scheduled economy is not too bad, try sleeping on a UK charter flight on a A330 3-3-3 or a 767 2-4-2!

User currently offlineUnitedStarGold From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 100 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 7726 times:

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 13):
UA Y+ (using an upgrade or something).

Economy Plus is not a separate class of service on United, so one can't 'upgrade' to it. It is offered as a pre-confirmed seating for elites and Y,B, and M fares in the forward zone of the economy cabin with 3-6 more inches of space than the rest of the cabin.

However, it has been reported lately that by using the automated check-in machines, some passengers not eligible for E+ in advance have been offered it for $25. That said, it can usually be had (so I hear) just by asking the check-in agent. I don't particularly like that, since it means an empty middle seat is often assigned at the last minute, but it's not that big of a deal usually.



"The education of a man is never completed until he dies." - Gen. R.E. Lee
User currently offlinePPVRA From Brazil, joined Nov 2004, 8964 posts, RR: 39
Reply 16, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 7713 times:

I get a window seat and lean against the fuselage/window.... make sure you close the window shade cause the window gets pretty cold too!

Helps me out with about an hour of sleep or so... But I have never been able to "sleep" much more than that...

Quoting ZRH (Reply 3):
You will never ever find an comfortable way to sleep in these cattle classes.

Agree.

Cheers,

PPVRA



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User currently offlineFbgdavidson From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 3708 posts, RR: 28
Reply 17, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 7652 times:

A friend of mine flew back from Nepal via AUH and found the best way to sleep was in the bathroom!

He got violently sick thanks to a white water rafting accident the day before and went to the bathroom to 'tend to matters'. After being in there for some time the FAs enquired what the issue was and he explained he would be running back and forth to bathroom a lot.The FAs said he would be ok to stay in there for the flight and told me he ended up falling asleep in there!



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User currently onlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7582 posts, RR: 42
Reply 18, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 7630 times:

Thanks for the correction UnitedStarGold.

I guess it is not the case with U.S.-Europe flights, but it surprises me that in the past, the flights from MEX to Europe were never full -even in the summer- so it was fairly easy to find a row you could claim as yours and sleep on it, and nowadays flights between MEX and Europe are full all the time!



Next flights: MEX-GRU (AM 77E), GRU-GIG (JJ A320), SDU-CGH (G3 73H), GRU-MEX (JJ A332).
User currently offlineContinental From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5517 posts, RR: 17
Reply 19, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 7593 times:

I sleep sometimes on aircraft, but very rarely. My last flight was a night flight from JFK to MSP, and I put my coat against the window and slept for about 30 minutes or so. When I woke up, my coat was ice cold!! I'm flying overseas JFK-BRU this summer, so I gotta figure out a better way to sleep!

User currently offlineSeptember11 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3623 posts, RR: 21
Reply 20, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 7577 times:

Do not sleep or take nap 8 hours before flight. Then, you will be sleeping inflight.


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User currently offlineDesertJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7780 posts, RR: 16
Reply 21, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 7551 times:

It usually helps to have somebody to cuddle up with to catch some shut eye. But as most of my plane travel has been solo lately, I haven't been able to do that.


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User currently offlinePDXtriple7 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 695 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 7527 times:

I can't sleep on planes. For some reason, I can't manage to fall asleep no matter how tired I am. One of the reason I think I can't fall asleep can be attributed to the excitement of flying or traveling to somewhere. On all my transatlantics, I've manage to get a max of maybe 2 hours of semi concious sleep. I haven't been able to just sleep. When I do though, I like placing my head on the tray table, but when I flew BA, there wasn't enough room when the seat in front of me was reclined! On AA, there was too much room (probably because I was a few inches shorter then).

Quoting Fbgdavidson (Reply 17):
friend of mine flew back from Nepal via AUH and found the best way to sleep was in the bathroom!

I agree, the bathroom is the most comfortable place to sleep, although I haven't fallen asleep in there. You have plenty of leg room and space.


User currently offlineN62NA From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4469 posts, RR: 7
Reply 23, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 7504 times:

Quoting UnitedStarGold (Reply 12):
It occured to me - if you're not loyal to OneWorld or a VS flyer (no Star Alliance carrier flying BOS-LHR), you could go through IAD and fly a UA 763 to LHR on a day flight. That's an easy enough flight from MIA, and you may just be able to avoid flying up the night before if you can get an early enough flight.

Thanks for the suggestion! Unfortunately, living here in MIA (MIAA), well, one is kind of forced to fly AA on the routes I normally travel (EWR, JFK, SJU, LAX, SFO) if they want a nonstop. So, I've got AA Gold status and enjoy the ability to upgrade on some of the longer flights.

Sure wish UA hadn't given up on us down here!


User currently offlineLTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13115 posts, RR: 12
Reply 24, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 7472 times:

I only travel in the cattle class and I very rarely sleep on an a/c. Fortuntaly, I am short, so legroom isn't an issue. I only try to sleep on long distance flights at night (transcon, transocean). Still I am lucky to get 2-4 hours, even on my flights to/from Australia or NZ I did years ago.
First of all, hope you are on a lightly loaded flight, like less than 50%. Try to fly on widebodies. If you are lucky, get a full row to yourself. If stuck on a loaded a/c, hope the seats have the adjustable head wings and enough pitch so you can get some tilt. Hope you can get a window seat, with only one other person in the way to the asile. If your traveling during cooler weather use you jacket/sweater/fleece on your back and head. Bring and wear dense foam earplugs and an eye cover. On some international fights, the airlines offer these but bring your own to make sure. I would also suggest not to drink alcholic, caffinated and heavily sugared foods the day of or during the flight. Of course, if your a guy traveling with a woman with ammmmhhhhh, 'nice breasts' you can rest your head on them  Wink


25 DLKAPA : I once fell asleep on a Reno MD-80 on an ANC-SEA flight, then an AA MD-80 on the SEA-DFW run later on. All I did was lay my head against the window an
26 Boeing73G : I very rarely sleep on a/c, and if I even try, i'll just get distracted looking out the window.
27 Ahlfors : For me a window is generally a must. The only exception was a Swiss 332 JFK-GVA, where I fell asleep in a middle seat, probably because I had been tra
28 Amhilde : I need the earplugs and the eyeshade and a few sleeping pills to make me do it, and sometimes a certain type of music. I take maybe one sleeping pill
29 NceBoy : Well, my experiences is that even if you don't sleep the night before, that wont get you to sleep in sit position. My most traveled route is YUL-ZRH o
30 Alexchao : This is interesting, because there are people who can't stay awake during flights. Hahahaha... Anyway, I like to slip a pillow behind my lower back, c
31 Hugo : In addition to trying to get the next seat or a row of seats "blocked" at check-in for more space, I do the following to reduce disturbances and be as
32 Noelg : I usually take the window seat, put the seat back and roll toward the window. I then take my blanket and cover over my head to block out any light. Th
33 BAW716 : There is a product called the 1st class sleeper that is a seat support that you inflate (lightly) to give you back support. It pushes you a little for
34 JGPH1A : I find it very hard to sleep in Y class, unless I have a window seat with an empty seat next to me - I use 2 pillows, and pull the blanket over my hea
35 BAW716 : Oh, I forgot, eye shades and ear plugs are really good tools too. Just make sure you take out the ear plugs before you start descending or you will ha
36 Martin21 : Even after a 48 hour flight I would not have some sleep, but that is just me.. Martin21
37 Post contains images 4xRuv : I think it depends on the way u usually sleep at home. If it's on your back, lucky you, if it's on the side, you're in a problem, and if its on your s
38 Aerorobnz : I have had mixed experiences. I've slept really well on shorthaul flights, and not at all on longhaul, but I have also slept ok on longhaul but not at
39 Jonty : The only time I have ever been able to sleep in economy is when there has been 3 spare seats and I have lain across them! There's just no room to be c
40 Post contains images Baylorairbear : I am 6'4'' and about 330 pounds; what is this sleep you speak of!?! Actually, I do pretty well on regional and short hauls if I have a bulkhead seat.
41 Tobi3334 : For me these new ear plugs made of silicone or wax work very well. Depending on how hard you push them in to your ear you can absorb the engine noise
42 B707Stu : I rarely sleep but since I've bought the $12.99 horseshow pillow I've had much better luck. Get the cushy one not the blow up. It works better for me
43 FlyMeToTheMoon : Here is what I do. I book a flight that leaves IAD very late (e.g. AF to Paris at 1030 p) and a window seat. Eat a meal, drink no alcohol or soda just
44 D-aqui : There is no way to sleep comfortably in economy. Am now working for an organization that does not pay business for long-haul flights. It is a nightmar
45 Post contains images Matt27 : There aren't any good ways to get some sleep in economy. The best is if you take a late flight so you are tiered anyway. Otherwise alcohol is a good h
46 Post contains images B742 : Easy, pay a lot more money and go and sleep in First class! Rob!
47 Post contains images GothamSpotter : Alcohol + Prescription Opiates = Sleep no matter where you are.
48 ALB2ATL : US Airways red-eye from LAX to PIT. Worst flying experience ever. I tried and tried to sleep, but could not pass out no matter what. I'm 6' - and on U
49 Starlionblue : Noise cancellation headphones. Gotta have'em. Currently have the Sony Earbuds. These are quite good. But I have just ordered the Plane Quiet Solitude.
50 Mikoneill : A great way to make yourself more confortable is to take your shoes off - make sure you're not wearing smelly socks! I'm 6'2" and find the effective e
51 Leigh pilgrim : Hi All, I have to say, if you get a crap seat, you get crap sleep!, the best flights I have ever had was a night flight from LHR-SIN-BNE, stage one wa
52 WindowSeat : I can rarely sleep on flights, no matter how long or short they are. With travel times sometimes stretching to more than 20 hrs broken in two segments
53 B747PILOT : I have flown to South Africa in economy and it was very hard to fall asleep but eventually I did. The F/A's gave me a pillow and I propped it up on th
54 Airbazar : There's no such thing. I can sleep in economy but it's not comfortably. Best way for me is to get a window seat and put a pillow up against the wall
55 Airbazar : Almost forgot: noise canceling headphones are a huge help. Much better than ear plugs.
56 Post contains images Trolley Dolley : Whenever I fly from New Zealand to Europe or Africa, normally over 30 hours on the wing, I don't expect "sleep" as I would on the ground. Have plenty
57 AlitaliaMD11 : I am about 5.2 still growing, and on my recent red-eye flight JFK-CDG I slitherded down until my head was on the arm rest and my feet where on the flo
58 Post contains images Vs25 : On my usual NYC-LON routing, which is a little short for sleeping, I tend to be nursing a hangover from excessive partying in New York on the Saturday
59 Post contains images Mandala499 : Sleep in economy? For me there's only one answer... WINDOW SEAT and lean on the wall... that's how I survive long haul flights (pre-neck support cattl
60 Jumbojet : Actually sleeping in Economy doesn't have to be uncomfortable. On a Sunday flight from MAN-MIA in January, the AA 767 I was on had very few people dow
61 Bill142 : Try learning to sleep upright. Get yourself some ear plugs to block out the sound from other pax and then just lean back and close your eyes. As an al
62 Leskova : It took me about 2 or 3 flights to learn how to sleep in Economy - these days, it's no problem for me. My best examples are a BA flight from LHR to JN
63 DoctorKO : Despite being a civil servant, meaning I should be able to sleep anywhere, I have never been able to sleep in economy. The one time I flew first class
64 FlyboyOz : Well...When I flew from CDG-SIN on Qantas B744, I was sitting at the back of the plane and aisle. I started to close my eyes (very tired) after take o
65 Brons2 : I would love to sleep in economy, but it's very difficult considering that I am 6'7" (200cm). It doesn't usually happen that much.
66 Post contains images Starlionblue : You know you can't actually catch a cold just from being cold right?
67 Baw716 : Starlionblue, Yes, the noice cancelling headsets are a godsend. Since they are so cheap now and operate on a AAA battery (they even come with an airil
68 Starlionblue : I'll agree with that, but Melatonin is not even a medicinal class sedative and can be purchased over the counter in health food stores.
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