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Future Of Sanford, FL (SFB)?  
User currently offlineAkjetBlue From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 790 posts, RR: 5
Posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 2541 times:

With SFB / KSFB), USA - Florida">SFB losing Jetsgo and most of Pan Am's routes, what does the future hold for this airport? It's so built up, yet so under utilized. I did hear speculation of Allegiant starting service sometime soon. Also, I wonder why USA3000 chose to start MCO / KMCO), USA - Florida">MCO instead of SFB / KSFB), USA - Florida">SFB for their ORD / KORD), USA - Illinois">ORD flights. Thoughts?

[Edited 2005-03-14 01:53:04]


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User currently offlineJetBlueAtJFK From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 1687 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 2446 times:

Well it seems like if they are in need of another carrier or it will be a ghost town airport for commercial service. Some airline will come along and move in there, hopefully.

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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26815 posts, RR: 75
Reply 2, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 2436 times:

SFB is doing just fine with significant charter traffic from Europe. SFB and MCO coexist rather well and the scheduled service mentioned is a mere fraction of what SFB actually does.


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User currently offlineLV From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 2007 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 2430 times:

Transmeridian has been running a lot of domestic flights in and out of there lately, basically exceeding what was lost with Pan Am. There still is talk that Allegiant might set up shop there.

User currently offlineUnattendedbag From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 2342 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 2381 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 2):
SFB is doing just fine with significant charter traffic from Europe.

Unfortunatly, that is only true during the busy season (summer). If Transmeridian pulls out, it would be bad news for SFB.

SFB is a little like a half-way house for air carriers. It is rare for an air carrier to last more than a few years there.



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User currently offlineAtcrick From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 772 posts, RR: 12
Reply 5, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks ago) and read 2314 times:

Good evening all,

Apparently, none of you have been reading any of the threads lately concerning Allegiant Airlines and their expansion plans. Expect an official announcement soon with routes and frequencies out of....yep..you guessed it, SFB.


Atc Rick



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User currently offlineMIAMIx707 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks ago) and read 2302 times:

SFB still gets plenty of charters on the weekend, it is slower during the weekdays, but this also happens during the summer, as far as I remember besides Sat only Thursday had any significant charter traffic.

Quoting Unattendedbag (Reply 4):
SFB is a little like a half-way house for air carriers. It is rare for an air carrier to last more than a few years there.

Ok, could you give us some examples? I read Aeropostal used SFB for a very brief period I believe about a year or 2 ago, (can any one confirm)? The other ones have either gone bankrupt (jetsgo, Southeast) or are simply not flying long haul anymore, (Edelweiss,European).

All the others are still flying to Sanford, and have being doing so for years. Some have changed names but they are still the same airlines.


By the way when was it that Sanford became a charter/domestic airport? I believe it was sometime during the mid-90's with Airtours and Monarch switching over from MCO. Any domestic airlines back then?


User currently offlineIanatstn From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 577 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 2245 times:

Hey Guys,

What about the Delta Connection Academy based out of SFB? Would this influence any proposed closure etc?

Cheers,
Ian.



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User currently offlineLymanm From Canada, joined Jan 2001, 1140 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 2205 times:

Guys, there is more than commercial traffic to maintain the viability of an airport. SFB ranks in the top 20 of US airports in terms of movements, with a very healthy load of GA and corporate/frax traffic.


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User currently offlineSunking737 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2058 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 2185 times:

ATCRICK Great news for Allegiant, you guys are doing well. I guess no one seems to understand Allegiant, just flying under the radar of the other carriers.

Atcrick I would like to know more about you and Allegiant email me. I saw one of your planes here in MSP the other day what a site to see her climb out.

I added you to my respected list as we on the inside seem to know all.  Wink



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User currently offlineATCRick From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 772 posts, RR: 12
Reply 10, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 2163 times:

Sunking,

Will do. If you want to know even more inside info just return my email!!!!!


Rick



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User currently offlineFlyibaby From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 1018 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 2135 times:

ATCRICK

A buddy of mine talked to the director of stations a couple of weeks ago, and she would only say that they are interested in SFB but would be working out any possibility with the airport. Good news indeed.

Rumor also has it B6 plans to offer competitive service MCO-LAS and MCO-LGB. I guess they intend to start a mini-hub out of MCO.


User currently offlineFlyinryan99 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 2032 posts, RR: 14
Reply 12, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 2125 times:

ATCRick - Hey there. I had applied for a job there at Allegiant and was wondering if you could email me some scoop (I'd appreciate it!)  Wink I've been trying to keep up with Allegiant since I've applied so if I get a call back I would be able to be sharp. Anyways, I think SFB is a great airport because it can serve not only the Orlando area, but it's just about an hour and 10 minute drive to Jacksonville or Melbourne. The only problem there (at least last time I was there), is there is kind of a lack of access to I-4. If I remember correctly there wasn't too much signage. Although, I think it is a great airport  Smile

Ryan


User currently offlineATCRick From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 772 posts, RR: 12
Reply 13, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 2112 times:

FlyIBaby,

I'd be curious who your buddy talked to as the Director of Stations is a man. Oh and FYI, since I was at ACA for several years my thoughts are with you and I hope you make a complete comeback and become quite successful yet again.

Ryan,

I'd be happy to help. Tell me what job you are applying for, email me your info and I'll see it gets in the right hands.

Thank you guys for the comments about G4 and I'm glad you are excited about it as well!!!!



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User currently offlineFlyibaby From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 1018 posts, RR: 6
Reply 14, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2108 times:

ATCRICK

I apologize...I believe it was whoever is in charge of station contracts...I know it was a woman...wished I had written down her name.

Thanks for the words...I think ACA/FLYi has gotten some real-world education as a result of the past 9 months of flying, and have made some savvy moves as a result. Things are definately looking up!


User currently offlineAkjetBlue From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 790 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 1903 times:

SFB has the Nomads 727 in 2 days ago...did anyone get to see it?


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User currently offlineUnattendedbag From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 2342 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 1805 times:

Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 6):
Ok, could you give us some examples? I read Aeropostal used SFB for a very brief period I believe about a year or 2 ago, (can any one confirm)? The other ones have either gone bankrupt (jetsgo, Southeast) or are simply not flying long haul anymore, (Edelweiss,European).

You named several there. Pan-Am (shortly after i stopped working there) discontinued their jet operations for a short period of time. They subsequently restarted and have been losing money left and right. Pace/Vacation Express had a healthy business there while I was there. They subsequently packed up and moved their hub operation. Falcon Air no longer flys casino flights in/out. ATA flew their L1011s in from Manchester. Those aircraft had more technical problems than my '75 for maverick. Southeast, Jetsgo, Edelweiss, Eurpoean just to name several more since my departure. Monarch flys a very limited schedule from Europe.

And for some reason, the European charters feel the need to change their name every 2 years. JMC to Thomas Cook. Airtours to Mytravel. Air 2000 to First Choice.



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User currently offlineRL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4718 posts, RR: 11
Reply 17, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 1710 times:

SFB kinda has a reputation with having the 2nd class airlines. The stories of their airlines ceasing operations such as Southeast, Pan Am and Jetsgo does not intill much confidence in their potential users. I doubt SFB will ever see a REAL airline have sustained operations there (if any at all), however i do feel they will remain a viable international charter destination.


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User currently offlineMIAMIx707 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 1624 times:

Quoting Unattendedbag (Reply 16):
You named several there. Pan-Am (shortly after i stopped working there) discontinued their jet operations for a short period of time. They subsequently restarted and have been losing money left and right. Pace/Vacation Express had a healthy business there while I was there. They subsequently packed up and moved their hub operation. Falcon Air no longer flys casino flights in/out. ATA flew their L1011s in from Manchester. Those aircraft had more technical problems than my '75 for maverick. Southeast, Jetsgo, Edelweiss, Eurpoean just to name several more since my departure. Monarch flys a very limited schedule from Europe.

Well perhaps if it wasn't for SFB Panam would have ceased operations for good, who knows. Vacation Express hasn't gone anywhere, they ditched PACE and have been using Trans Meridian for quite a while. Their expansion at Sanford should be enough proof. Some TMA planes now carry "vacation express" titles. Falcon air casino charters? Those were very few and far between. Anyways what's their fleet 2, 3 planes? Soon Allegiant will serve the airport, and regularly. Also Miami Air has been using SFB frequently lately. Never heard of ATA ever flying there other than an odd charter. In recent years, some military charters maybe. Monarch service has always been during the summer period and this is usually 2 flights on Saturday, typical charter schedule. They even had a few flights this winter.

Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 17):
SFB kinda has a reputation with having the 2nd class airlines. The stories of their airlines ceasing operations such as Southeast, Pan Am and Jetsgo does not intill much confidence in their potential users. I doubt SFB will ever see a REAL airline have sustained operations there (if any at all), however i do feel they will remain a viable international charter destination.

So SFB doesn't inspire confidence in travelers because it just happens that Jetsgo and Southeast are no longer flying? Really.. I would like to see any real facts that you used to come to this conclusion  spin 

SFB is an alternative to MCO and is best suited to serve the International charter flights and some domestic charters as well. As far as I know, all those European charter airlines are real airlines. After all, it has been the preferred airport in Florida for European charters and it looks like this status will remain so you're not predicting anything new when you "feel"  Smile Sanford airport will remain a "viable" international destination. Much more than that, actually it has become a favorite airport to those travelers who use it.


User currently offlineA/c dxer From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 416 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 1573 times:

Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 18):
Vacation Express hasn't gone anywhere, they ditched PACE and have been using Trans Meridian for quite a while.

Let me clear this up Vacation Express didn't "ditch" Pace. Pace had the right to first refusal and in there mind what Transmeridian offered to operate Vacation Express was less than what Pace was willing to go.


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