United4everDEN From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Posted (8 years 2 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 4808 times:
With TED at 56 A320's now, United is close to having all 72 of their A320's TED aircraft. Obviously with the recent expansion of TED, it is doing pretty well, so why stop expanding it? If they do continue to expand TED, what will happen when United is out of A320s to change over? I don't think there is a chance of new aircraft orders. What other aircraft might they convert?
Laxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 22023 posts, RR: 51 Reply 2, posted (8 years 2 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 4768 times:
First, TED as of last week had 47 converted aircraft. Not 56.
In total UA has 97 A320s. Even with its announced growth this summer, it will be no were close to the 97 count.
United has used TED primarily as a tool to operate current routes that have mostly leisure traffic, not as a vehicle of route growth with the exception of its DEN-FLL, MDW-DEN/IAD and the seasonal Caribbean/Mexico flying.
Thus with UA being a network carrier which primarily which targets the business market, it is unlikely the airline would have that many marginal routes that are prime for TED.
TED appears to have turned out to be a valuable tool for United to use as part of its broader product line just like United Express and the coast to coast p.s. flights.
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Sunking737 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1930 posts, RR: 9 Reply 4, posted (8 years 2 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 4427 times:
Gregg, how can UA order new planes when they are bankrupt? Nobody in their right mind would sell them planes.
PVD757 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3374 posts, RR: 18 Reply 5, posted (8 years 2 months 6 days ago) and read 4333 times:
I can honestly see UA converting the 320s and 319s to Ted since there are fewer and fewer routes that UA doesn't see low fare competition on. The 757s will do the transcons and the high density and higher yield stuff (LGA, DCA, BOS, SFO, etc.) while the rest will be a combo of the 73's and commuter affiliates. Long term, I suppose the 73's will be phased out.
N737MC From Canada, joined Oct 2000, 676 posts, RR: 18 Reply 8, posted (8 years 2 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 4168 times:
This is a THICK topic.
Who cares that the A320s are going the LCC of United. The A319s fill the void where needed. Ryan, are you afraid of not having any mainline A320s to photograph?
DAYflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 3807 posts, RR: 4 Reply 9, posted (8 years 2 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 4121 times:
I hope that UAL is smart enought to send as many planes as TED needs. If they are samrt, UAL will serve a few major business destinations like JFK, LAX, SFO, ORD, ATL, IAH, DFW, etc and Intnl while turning over all the leisure routes to Ted. In this way they get out of the LCC competition end of things while serving bread and butter business travelers.
GothamSpotter From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 586 posts, RR: 0 Reply 10, posted (8 years 2 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 4087 times:
N1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 25852 posts, RR: 80 Reply 12, posted (8 years 2 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 3527 times:
UAMAYBACH1239 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 221 posts, RR: 0 Reply 13, posted (8 years 2 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 3506 times:
Gregg, how can UA order new planes when they are bankrupt? Nobody in their right mind would sell them planes.
For what it is worth. UAL is not bankrupt. Jetgo and Winair are bankrupt.
Another thing at the drop of a hat, Airbus will sell UAL A319/20's.
Bankrupt pretty much means no longer operating, and I still see plenty of UA
birds in the sky.
N1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 25852 posts, RR: 80 Reply 14, posted (8 years 2 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 3478 times:
Quoting UAMAYBACH1239 (Reply 13): Bankrupt pretty much means no longer operating, and I still see plenty of UA
birds in the sky.
No, Bankrupt means insolvent. You are insolvent when your cash flow combined with cash on hand cannot cover your debt load. If it meant no longer operating, when people declared personal bankruptcy, they would be 6 feet under (or in the case of MSY, in a little house). No longer operating would happen if UA was shut down and liquidated in Chapter 7. Under Chapter 11, they are protected from creditors and can operate while restructuring.
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Wnsocal From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 129 posts, RR: 0 Reply 15, posted (8 years 2 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2839 times:
Southwest and jetBlue could easily takeover all of the TED operation and then United wouldn't have to worry about reallocating any scarebuses to an LCC operation at all.........................hehehehehehehehehehehehe.
FriendlySkies From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 4003 posts, RR: 6 Reply 16, posted (8 years 2 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 2641 times:
Quoting N1120A (Reply 12): With 757s going P.S., you begin having issues
Not really...there are only 13 out of about 96 757s on p.s. service, and all have been converted. Unless UA expands p.s. (highly doubtful), there are still plenty of 757s to go around.
And UA would have to pretty much DOUBLE Ted service from what it's at now in order to use the entire A320 fleet. Again, I can't see this making sense, as most of the all-leisure destinations from the hubs are being served already.
PapaNovember From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 473 posts, RR: 2 Reply 17, posted (8 years 2 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 2420 times:
Airline7322 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 105 posts, RR: 0 Reply 19, posted (8 years 2 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2057 times:
Quoting FriendlySkies (Reply 16): Not really...there are only 13 out of about 96 757s on p.s. service, and all have been converted. Unless UA expands p.s. (highly doubtful), there are still plenty of 757s to go around.
MAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 31107 posts, RR: 74 Reply 20, posted (8 years 2 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 2038 times:
United isn't expanding ps service, they simply finished converting 13 aircraft and now offer ps on all LAX/SFO-JFK flights. They aren't expanding past that, at least not yet.
As for TED expansion...United has applied with DOT to offer O'Hare-San Jose del Cabo service, and the application says they would offer the service with "an A320 configured between 132 and 156 seats".
FriendlySkies From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 4003 posts, RR: 6 Reply 21, posted (8 years 2 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 2001 times:
Actually, the second article says that UA has added an additional frequency on JFK-SFO, so it must be doing good...I recall someone on this board saying there was no market left on this segment...funny, there seems to be a rather demanding one.
FriendlySkies From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 4003 posts, RR: 6 Reply 24, posted (8 years 2 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 1710 times:
PVD757:
That's because US and NW don't have E+.
25 Star_member: having flow UA and being a gold star alliance member, the E+ would make me fly them again.
26 UnitedTristar: I have herd rumors that the new Ted planes will be overwater equipped! -m
28 QuestAir: United seems to be on the right track with p.s. Because they're doing (reasonably) well, could AA perhaps imitate them and start their own premium ser
29 Jdaniel001: UA's master plan. TED domestic and rename United's International service "United Worldwide". And then have P.S. serve only major business markets. Now
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The A319s fill the void where needed. Ryan, are you afraid of not having any mainline A320s to photograph? 
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