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TED Expanding, Running Out Of Aircraft?  
User currently offlineUnited4everDEN From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 5883 times:

With TED at 56 A320's now, United is close to having all 72 of their A320's TED aircraft. Obviously with the recent expansion of TED, it is doing pretty well, so why stop expanding it? If they do continue to expand TED, what will happen when United is out of A320s to change over? I don't think there is a chance of new aircraft orders. What other aircraft might they convert?

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User currently offlineSTLGph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 9386 posts, RR: 26
Reply 1, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 5853 times:

Quoting United4everDEN (Thread starter):
What other aircraft might they convert?

For what its worth, might as well just convert the whole damn airline.



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User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25520 posts, RR: 50
Reply 2, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 5843 times:

First, TED as of last week had 47 converted aircraft. Not 56.

In total UA has 97 A320s. Even with its announced growth this summer, it will be no were close to the 97 count.

United has used TED primarily as a tool to operate current routes that have mostly leisure traffic, not as a vehicle of route growth with the exception of its DEN-FLL, MDW-DEN/IAD and the seasonal Caribbean/Mexico flying.

Thus with UA being a network carrier which primarily which targets the business market, it is unlikely the airline would have that many marginal routes that are prime for TED.

TED appears to have turned out to be a valuable tool for United to use as part of its broader product line just like United Express and the coast to coast p.s. flights.



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User currently offlineGregg From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 327 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 5769 times:

They should covert all the a320/319 into TED. Then purchase new 737s for United.

User currently offlineSunking737 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2046 posts, RR: 8
Reply 4, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 5502 times:

Gregg, how can UA order new planes when they are bankrupt? Nobody in their right mind would sell them planes.


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User currently offlinePVD757 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3414 posts, RR: 16
Reply 5, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 5408 times:

I can honestly see UA converting the 320s and 319s to Ted since there are fewer and fewer routes that UA doesn't see low fare competition on. The 757s will do the transcons and the high density and higher yield stuff (LGA, DCA, BOS, SFO, etc.) while the rest will be a combo of the 73's and commuter affiliates. Long term, I suppose the 73's will be phased out.

User currently offlineOrion737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 5386 times:

Get some stored 727-200s from the desert! or for them extra capacity flights a couple of deliciously gorgeous L1011s!

User currently offlineDAYflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 3807 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 5296 times:

Quoting Sunking737 (Reply 5):
Gregg, how can UA order new planes when they are bankrupt? Nobody in their right mind would sell them planes

Airbus will sell anything to anybody. Oh wait, you said "right minds"...sorry.



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User currently offlineN737MC From Canada, joined Oct 2000, 678 posts, RR: 17
Reply 8, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 5243 times:

This is a THICK topic.

Who cares that the A320s are going the LCC of United.  hissyfit  The A319s fill the void where needed. Ryan, are you afraid of not having any mainline A320s to photograph?  banghead 

Hmm...


User currently offlineDAYflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 3807 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 5196 times:

I hope that UAL is smart enought to send as many planes as TED needs. If they are samrt, UAL will serve a few major business destinations like JFK, LAX, SFO, ORD, ATL, IAH, DFW, etc and Intnl while turning over all the leisure routes to Ted. In this way they get out of the LCC competition end of things while serving bread and butter business travelers.


One Nation Under God
User currently offlineGothamSpotter From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 586 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 5162 times:

Why does Ted not serve NYC?

User currently offlineOrion737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 5152 times:

Does anyone call Ted, Edward!

User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26534 posts, RR: 75
Reply 12, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 4602 times:

Quoting Orion737 (Reply 11):
Does anyone call Ted, Edward!

Probably as many as call it Theodore

Quoting GothamSpotter (Reply 10):
Why does Ted not serve NYC?

Ted is for low yield markets, which UA does not serve from NYC. Same with how LAX only gets Ted to LAS

Quoting N737MC (Reply 8):
The A319s fill the void where needed. Ryan, are you afraid of not having any mainline A320s to photograph?

Except on routes that need the capacity but can still justify mainline. With 757s going P.S., you begin having issues



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User currently offlineUAMAYBACH1239 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 221 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 4581 times:

Gregg, how can UA order new planes when they are bankrupt? Nobody in their right mind would sell them planes.

For what it is worth. UAL is not bankrupt. Jetgo and Winair are bankrupt.
Another thing at the drop of a hat, Airbus will sell UAL A319/20's.
Bankrupt pretty much means no longer operating, and I still see plenty of UA
birds in the sky.



a/c flown 737-222/322/522 757/747-1-2-4, 767-2-3, 777-2-3, A319-20, DC10-10-30, L1011-3-5, 727-222adv, MD85-90 flyourfri
User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26534 posts, RR: 75
Reply 14, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 4553 times:

Quoting UAMAYBACH1239 (Reply 13):
Bankrupt pretty much means no longer operating, and I still see plenty of UA
birds in the sky.

No, Bankrupt means insolvent. You are insolvent when your cash flow combined with cash on hand cannot cover your debt load. If it meant no longer operating, when people declared personal bankruptcy, they would be 6 feet under (or in the case of MSY, in a little house). No longer operating would happen if UA was shut down and liquidated in Chapter 7. Under Chapter 11, they are protected from creditors and can operate while restructuring.



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User currently offlineWnsocal From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 129 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 3914 times:

Southwest and jetBlue could easily takeover all of the TED operation and then United wouldn't have to worry about reallocating any scarebuses to an LCC operation at all.........................hehehehehehehehehehehehe.

wnsocal



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User currently offlineFriendlySkies From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 4107 posts, RR: 5
Reply 16, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 3716 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 12):
With 757s going P.S., you begin having issues

Not really...there are only 13 out of about 96 757s on p.s. service, and all have been converted. Unless UA expands p.s. (highly doubtful), there are still plenty of 757s to go around.

And UA would have to pretty much DOUBLE Ted service from what it's at now in order to use the entire A320 fleet. Again, I can't see this making sense, as most of the all-leisure destinations from the hubs are being served already.


User currently offlinePapaNovember From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 473 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 3495 times:

Quoting Orion737 (Reply 11):
Does anyone call Ted, Edward!

Nice!!


User currently offlineUal777contrail From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 3151 times:

Quoting STLGph (Reply 1):
For what its worth, might as well just convert the whole damn airline.

What a dump comment.


User currently offlineAirline7322 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 105 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 3132 times:

Quoting FriendlySkies (Reply 16):
Not really...there are only 13 out of about 96 757s on p.s. service, and all have been converted. Unless UA expands p.s. (highly doubtful), there are still plenty of 757s to go around.

It looks as if United P.S will be expanding after all: http://aeroposte.blogspot.com/2005/0...extends-ps-service-to-all-new.html

and: http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/050315/cgtu054_1.html

Cheers, and congratulations you just made it to me respected users list.



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32882 posts, RR: 71
Reply 20, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 3113 times:

United isn't expanding ps service, they simply finished converting 13 aircraft and now offer ps on all LAX/SFO-JFK flights. They aren't expanding past that, at least not yet.

As for TED expansion...United has applied with DOT to offer O'Hare-San Jose del Cabo service, and the application says they would offer the service with "an A320 configured between 132 and 156 seats".



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User currently offlineFriendlySkies From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 4107 posts, RR: 5
Reply 21, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 3076 times:

Actually, the second article says that UA has added an additional frequency on JFK-SFO, so it must be doing good...I recall someone on this board saying there was no market left on this segment...funny, there seems to be a rather demanding one.  Wink

User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26534 posts, RR: 75
Reply 22, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 3016 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 20):
"an A320 configured between 132 and 156 seats".

You know, that 132 seat number is really telling of why UA is losing money.



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User currently offlinePVD757 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3414 posts, RR: 16
Reply 23, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 2923 times:

I show UA (non-Ted) 320s to be configured to 138 seats. US's have 142, and NW has 148.

User currently offlineFriendlySkies From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 4107 posts, RR: 5
Reply 24, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 2785 times:

PVD757:

That's because US and NW don't have E+.


25 Star_member : having flow UA and being a gold star alliance member, the E+ would make me fly them again.
26 Post contains images UnitedTristar : I have herd rumors that the new Ted planes will be overwater equipped! -m
27 AADC10 : Maybe TED is going to Hawaii.
28 QuestAir : United seems to be on the right track with p.s. Because they're doing (reasonably) well, could AA perhaps imitate them and start their own premium ser
29 Jdaniel001 : UA's master plan. TED domestic and rename United's International service "United Worldwide". And then have P.S. serve only major business markets. Now
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