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Malaysian Airlines And Skyteam  
User currently offlineStar_member From Australia, joined Dec 2000, 185 posts, RR: 0
Posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 4394 times:

any more word on whether MH will join skyteam. this alliance is gradually giving better coverage but still lacks a presence in the asia pacific region except KE. would love MH to join.

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User currently offlineKEno From Malaysia, joined Feb 2004, 1842 posts, RR: 27
Reply 1, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 4334 times:

No new development unfortunately as MH is still keeping their alliance decision a secret. Not exactly a secret that SkyTeam is the obvious choice, but one can only guess when the annoucement would be made. There's hardly any news or even speculation on the alliance issue in the local media, unlike the recent fleet replacement news.

I wish to quote someone from a local aviation forum which presents a different angle on the delay :-

Quoting Fairizuan from AeroMalaysia.com:


Malaysia Airlines will not join any alliance until they their IATA Operational Safety Audit (IOSA) application is settle as “joining the alliance” was part of their IOSA 4 main objectives.

They are now busy conducting the MAS IOSA Awareness briefing and presentation for all Malaysia Airlines personnel.

MAS IOSA program will kick off in the early month of April and the official application process will only start in the month of May if I’m not mistaken. They are now very busy with this program and have about 450 + checklist plus the “should do” checklist to comply.

And finally, if my memory serves me right, the application will take about 9 months or so to process (by IATA). But then, there are many airlines queuing up for the application as there are only 4 registered auditors approved by IATA. Malaysia Airlines have chosen a Melbourne-based auditor.

Singapore Airlines is the only airline in South East Asia that is a member of IOSA.

It was also said earlier that the annoucement delay was due to some issues with Air France, though I'm not entirely sure the truth behind this.


User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7584 posts, RR: 43
Reply 2, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 4184 times:

I agree. MH's obvious choice should be SkyTeam and I guess it is only a matter of time for MH to join the alliance. Besides, it makes sense because their closest competitors are already members of Star Alliance and of oneworld. Furthermore, MH is close to SkyTeam member KL and would get a lot of feed from Europe to other Southeast Asian destinations and to Australian cities.

I hope their accession happens sooner rather than later.



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User currently offlineAirbus Lover From Malaysia, joined Apr 2000, 3248 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 4033 times:

Quoting KEno (Reply 1):
It was also said earlier that the annoucement delay was due to some issues with Air France, though I'm not entirely sure the truth behind this.

This is indeed true and at one point the discussion was on hold trying to reconcile the differences. Whether or not these have been solved remains unknown; or rather, no solid confirmation of the final draft of entrance/membership terms and conditions yet. However, it would just be a matter of time and MH will be able to meet all the criterias and prove to be beneficial to Skyteam and vice versa.


User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7584 posts, RR: 43
Reply 4, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 4003 times:

Once MH joins SkyTeam (as I said before, I am confident it will), SkyTeam will have a very thorough coverage of most regions of the world, and will only need a local South American partner in order to be on a par with its competitors. MH will give SkyTeam a presence in South East Asia and Oceania (I understand MH is strong in Australia), especially from Europe, and that will be much better than relying on KE for flights to the southern regions of the East.

If SkyTeam would pursue JJ or AR after the entrance of MH, the circle would be complete!



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User currently offlineStar_member From Australia, joined Dec 2000, 185 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 3894 times:

at the moment the skyteam presence in australia is pathetic. MH will certainly open up the possibilities from australia, they fly to most capital cities here. they also have fantastic fares and malaysia is a great stopover option.

User currently offlinePadcrasher From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 3864 times:

Thai's loss is Malaysian's gain. They will see feed from the largest alliance in Europe and the largest alliance in North America. Divided among just two Asian carriers KE and themselves. I'm suprised this didn't happen a long time ago.

User currently offline6thfreedom From Bermuda, joined Sep 2004, 3329 posts, RR: 20
Reply 7, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 3858 times:

but given the talk of a CX_CA_KA link, and the flow on effects to their respective alliances, wouldnt it make sense for MH to wait a little longer??

everyone assumes that CA will go to Star, as everyone assumes MH will go to skyteam.

BUT, if CX-KA-CA go with Star, doesnt this leave room for MH to go with oneworld??

food for thought...


User currently offlineAirpearl From Malaysia, joined May 2001, 952 posts, RR: 26
Reply 8, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 3827 times:

Quote:
BUT, if CX-KA-CA go with Star

CX-KA-CA, TG, SQ, NH, OZ all in one alliance? Talk about a crowd...  Wink


User currently offlineAlespesl From Czech Republic, joined Jan 2004, 582 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 3798 times:

I would love to see MH in Skyteam. Also I hope China Southern Airlines joins Skyteam Alliance.


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User currently offlineCornish From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 8187 posts, RR: 54
Reply 10, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 3765 times:

Quoting 6thfreedom (Reply 7):
but given the talk of a CX_CA_KA link, and the flow on effects to their respective alliances, wouldnt it make sense for MH to wait a little longer??

everyone assumes that CA will go to Star, as everyone assumes MH will go to skyteam.

BUT, if CX-KA-CA go with Star, doesnt this leave room for MH to go with oneworld??

food for thought...

Well its also already been stated that CZ want to join skyteam, and that MU may well end up in oneworld in time.

But MH would fit better into skyteam than oneworld even without CX. MH would have skyteam's australian market to itself amongst its alliance partners, whereas in oneworld, QF would naturally dominate that area.



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User currently offlineKEno From Malaysia, joined Feb 2004, 1842 posts, RR: 27
Reply 11, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 3550 times:

Quoting Padcrasher (Reply 6):
They will see feed from the largest alliance in Europe and the largest alliance in North America.

Besides Europe-Australia market, another MH's strongpoint would be the feed to Indian Subcontinent, especially from the west coast of North America and Korea/Japan/China. MH flies to 11 cities in that region, and 3 more to come by the end of this year. None of the existing SkyTeam member is even close to that figure.

Quoting 6thfreedom (Reply 7):
BUT, if CX-KA-CA go with Star, doesnt this leave room for MH to go with oneworld??

I suppose anything is possible, but I highly doubt that MH would go in the way of Oneworld, regardless of CX's future. The #1 reason - QF/BA has an established hub in SIN / WSSS), Singapore">SIN and would want to keep it that way. Ever wonder why neither airline fly to KUL / WMKK), Malaysia">KUL anymore despite the massive demand? MH has something unique to offer to Skyteam, in Oneworld they'd have to compete with QF. CX's theoretical absense can be better served by JAL.

[Edited 2005-03-17 16:37:08]

User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7584 posts, RR: 43
Reply 12, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 3477 times:

I am convinced MH will be a great option to SkyTeam passengers for flights between Europe and Australia. However, I am not so sure about traffic between the U.S. and Australia since the LAX-KUL service has a stop en route (TPE?) and, therefore it is less attractive than what UA, QF and many other carriers offer.


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User currently offlineAF Cabin Crew From French Polynesia, joined Sep 1999, 1040 posts, RR: 34
Reply 13, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 3321 times:
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Ia Orana All !!!

I too would be very happy and proud if Malaysia Airlines joined SkyTEAM.
MH has such a good network that it would fit perfectly within the skyTEAM extensive network.
MH could indeed bring the much needed presence on Australia and Southeast Asian routes, and reinforce the growing presence on the Indian subcontinent.
MH would gain at the same time so much with the most extensive US network thanks to Delta, Continental and NWA. The European routes would be fed by CSA, AF-KL and AZ.
MH would gain from AF's excellent African network too.
With CZ and SU which are sure to join alongside PGA Portugalia who just announced that they would join SkyTEAM before the start of winter 2005 season.
So let's hope they join soon enough and that any problems would be resolved ASAP !

Happy Flying on SkyTEAM !

AF Cabin Crew.


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User currently offlineDeltaWings From Switzerland, joined Aug 2004, 1294 posts, RR: 17
Reply 14, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 3299 times:

SkyTeam needs an Airline from the Australasia region. Since Qantas and Air New Zealand- the only major airlines in that region- are already taken, MH would fill the gap, sice they have a strong market there. Also I hope a chinese airline joins, my favour would be Air China. TAM could complete South America, so that just leaves Africa open then. Maybe South African Airlines.


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User currently offlineAF Cabin Crew From French Polynesia, joined Sep 1999, 1040 posts, RR: 34
Reply 15, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 3285 times:
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Well,
China Southern, China's number 1 airline has signed a MoU and CZ will join soon. CZ is the first chinese airline to join an alliance and de facto SkyTEAM would be the first alliance to welcome a chinese carrier.
Concerning TAM, AF is not so much in love with them... They have big differences now and are not the best of friends anymore, that's a shame as TAM could be a really good addition to skyTEAM.
And now concerning Africa, Air France and KLM together have the most comprehensive network ofany other carriers. Together they serve destinations that SAA who is joining Star Alliance, doesn't even go to. Yet, if an african carrier should join it would be Kenya Airways and Royal Air Maroc.

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User currently offlineKEno From Malaysia, joined Feb 2004, 1842 posts, RR: 27
Reply 16, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 3267 times:

Connection between European SkyTeam hubs & Australia/NZ/Southeast Asia via KUL :-



Connection between American SkyTeam hubs & Indian Subcontinent/Southeast Asia via KUL :-



[Edited 2005-03-19 11:37:34]

User currently offlineEconojetter From Malaysia, joined May 2001, 430 posts, RR: 5
Reply 17, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 3093 times:

KEno,

I see you have connected MH to NW/CO/DL at NRT for North American... which would have been fine, except the timings are much less than ideal. I doubt we'll see NW moving its NRT bank of flights (currently in the early-to-mid afternoon)... meaning that will require a midnight arrival into KUL and 6 a.m. departure ex-KUL to make the connections.

In that light, perhaps a partnership with KE via ICN (less congestion, potentially less slot restrictions) might be more feasible? Are there any plans at MH and KE to extend their co-operation outside of Korea-Malaysia flights regardless of whether or not MH eventually joins SkyTeam?


User currently offlineKEno From Malaysia, joined Feb 2004, 1842 posts, RR: 27
Reply 18, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3055 times:

I've never actually come across any plan for MH/KE to extend their cooperation for Transpacific flights, though it would be something that should be considered for the reasons you mentioned above. We often hear more about NW because of MH's close cooperation with KLM.

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