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1973 DL FLights From BOS  
User currently offlineZrs70 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 3175 posts, RR: 9
Posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2964 times:

Just a little nostalgia here. I have in my hand the June 1973 DL system timetable. Here is the full BOS lineup (nostops only, all Jet service)

Baltimore: 3 flights
Bangor: 4 flights
Bermuda: 2 flights
Burlington, VT: 2 flights
Ft. Lauderdale: 2 flights
Hartford/ Springfield: 5 flights
Manchester, NH: 2 flights
Miami: 4 flights (one on a DC-10)
Montreal: 5 flights
Newark: 4 flights
Kennedy: 5 flights
Laguardia: 2 flights (one on a DC-10)
New Bedford, MA: 1 flight
Philadelphia: 7 flights
Portland. ME: 6 flights
Presque Isle, ME: 2 flights
Washington National: 7 flights

Total: 63 flights.

notes of interest:
1) This is post merger with Northeast, thus all the New England and Regional flights
2) No L10-11's yet.
3) No nonstop service to any of the current hubs


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User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17550 posts, RR: 46
Reply 1, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2939 times:

Stupid question...I'm assuming that these are all daily?


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User currently offlineZrs70 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 3175 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2935 times:

Not a studpid question. Most are daily, with a few being x6, x7, or x67.


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User currently offlineBig777jet From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2917 times:

New Bedford, MA??? I NEVER  listen  heard of that Delta  airplane  served in that city. What was the aircraft service to that city?


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User currently offlineStirling From Italy, joined Jun 2004, 3943 posts, RR: 21
Reply 4, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2907 times:

It was either the FH-227 or F-27.


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User currently offlineZrs70 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 3175 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2906 times:

Here's the New Bedford line up:

BOS (1 flight)
JFK (1 flight)

My bad, the New Bedford flights were on F-27's by 1973. But if I recall correctly, they were on DC-9's prior (as were most of the other New England flights).

Also of interest, these cities also enjoyed jet service:
Keene, NH
Worcestor, MA
Hyannis, MA
Martha's Vineyard, MA
Nantucket, MA



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User currently offlineDeltaMIA From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1672 posts, RR: 17
Reply 6, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2837 times:

Last I heard F-27's weren't jets, but this was before the DCI days.


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User currently offlineZippyjet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 5486 posts, RR: 13
Reply 7, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2767 times:

Looking at your samples from that era, it looks as if DL already absorbed Northeast. I noticed no flights to ATL! Around Passover 1976 early April, I flew DL flight 237 from BWI to MIA. It was a 727-200. This flight's itinerary was BOS-BWI-FLL-MIA! Back in that day, at least out of BWI, it was festival style seating, not assigned. The plane was more than half full of pax originating out of BOS. This was before the Miami renaissance so virtually everyone deplaned in FLL. Seven of us rode the five minute hop from FLL into MIA. http://stuff.mit.edu/people/ec_mok/www/pics/boston/boston3.jpg







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User currently offlineKkfla737 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1033 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2745 times:

Northeast actually had a major Miami presence thus many of DL's flights from MIA post 1972 were actually old Northeast flights.

User currently offlineMQrampBOS From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 107 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 2608 times:

DC9s to EWB and EEN? That would've been interesting to see.


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User currently offlineOzarkD9S From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5128 posts, RR: 21
Reply 10, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 2597 times:

Did any of the flights continue on to ATL? The EWR/JFK/PHL/DCA flights maybe?


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User currently offlineAA7573E From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 475 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 2582 times:

Nonstop service from BOS to Manchester, NH. What a luxury..err..waste of a flight. I wonder if they even put the gear up?


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User currently offlineDAL767400ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 2574 times:

Quoting AA7573E (Reply 11):
Nonstop service from BOS to Manchester, NH. What a luxury..err..waste of a flight. I wonder if they even put the gear up?

Might as well have the plane use I-93 :lol: .
I always find it fascinating to see old routes that airlines used to serve, especially with mainline equipment. You have both BOS-MHT and BOS-New Bedford, but no service to ATL. Looking at some of those routes, it is surprising airlines even survived with so many oddball routes (ok, fares were high and routes LCC-less but still).


User currently offlinePHLBOS From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7525 posts, RR: 24
Reply 13, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 2562 times:

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 12):
Might as well have the plane use I-93 :lol: .

Actually, in 1973, the I-93 connection to the Central Artery (then known as I-95) had just recently opened then.

BTW, before the merger w/NE, did DL ever offer any type of service to BOS? The lack of flights to ATL (was CVG even a hub for them back then?) seems to indicate that the merger launched DL into BOS. The merger also introduced DL to the 727.



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User currently offlinePHLBOS From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7525 posts, RR: 24
Reply 14, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 2546 times:

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 12):
Looking at some of those routes, it is surprising airlines even survived with so many oddball routes (ok, fares were high and routes LCC-less but still).

You're forgetting that airlines were regulated back then. The CAB set the fares and awarded the routes to the airlines. As a matter of fact, it was the CAB that gave NE so much grief over the years, and ultimately contributed to the Yellowbird's downfall.



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User currently offlineARCJET From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 2484 times:



User currently offlineDeltaMIA From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1672 posts, RR: 17
Reply 16, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 2495 times:

Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 13):
BTW, before the merger w/NE, did DL ever offer any type of service to BOS? The lack of flights to ATL (was CVG even a hub for them back then?) seems to indicate that the merger launched DL into BOS. The merger also introduced DL to the 727.

Yes Boston was introduced as a DL city thanks to the Northeastern merger, along with several others still served by DL. (NAS, BDA, PWM, BGR, YUL, CLE, BDL, MHT).
CVG wasn't a DL hub until around 83-84. OH began offering feeder service towards the end of 1984, but when Northeast merged with DL CVG only offered service to about 8 cities.



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User currently offlineDAL767400ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 2380 times:

Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 14):
You're forgetting that airlines were regulated back then. The CAB set the fares and awarded the routes to the airlines. As a matter of fact, it was the CAB that gave NE so much grief over the years, and ultimately contributed to the Yellowbird's downfall.

Another perfect example that over-regulation doesnt work. But thankfully the CAB lost it's influence over the years.
@ARCJET: Thanks for posting the map, always good to really visualise what we are talking about  Smile .


User currently offlineStirling From Italy, joined Jun 2004, 3943 posts, RR: 21
Reply 18, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2283 times:

Quoting OzarkD9S (Reply 10):
Did any of the flights continue on to ATL? The EWR/JFK/PHL/DCA flights maybe?

9 flights continued on for Atlanta with ONE-STOP.

Newark 2 flights/1-72S, 1-D9S
Washington 5 flights/3-72S, 2-D9S
Philadelphia 1 flights/1-D9S
Baltimore 1 flight/1-D9S

1 flight continued on for Atlanta with TWO-STOPS.

Newark-Philadelphia/1-72S



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User currently offlineJdaniel001 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2276 times:

Question, why is there no market in the old routes like DL's '73 schedule out of BOS? We know there is more people flying today then in 1973 and I am sure that people travel between the same city pairs that they did back in 1973, but today they have to make a connection and the travel time is doubled. BN had an extensive schedule in the midwest back in the 70's. EA hubed in MCI, now no one does. What about the days of Southern? Most of those cities don't have service now. Same with North Central and Air West.

User currently offlineStirling From Italy, joined Jun 2004, 3943 posts, RR: 21
Reply 20, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2264 times:

In the case of Delta, the takeover of Northeast included many routes mandated by the CAB. They operated the routes not because they wanted to, but because they were legally bound to.
Northeast made their money on the long-hauls out of Boston, to Florida, Bermuda etc., and the odd use-it-or-lose-it MIA-LAX run with a 727-95.
If it was up to those who ran NE back in the day, I dare say not much of anything would have existed north of Boston, or between Beantown and greater NYC.

Additionally, when the CAB ran things, fares were consistent across the nation, based on distance traveled. A 500 mile trip pretty much cost the same no matter the demand present on the route, or it's geographical location. Flights to the Sunshine State(~Florida) cost the same as one to the Sunflower State(~Kansas) mile for mile.
When deregulation hit, price controls were lifted, airlines were now free to charge what the market would bare. In the large markets, airfares came tumbling down, in smaller markets, fares went through the roof. So for a route like Hartford-Washington, the pre-deregulation price of $45 OW, was by 1980 hovering around $200.
Upstarts came in to fill the pricing void; under-capitalized and poorly run, they were unable to sustain any lasting market presence, the legacy carriers would raise fares in an instant once the competition folded. With the exception of America West, all of these post-deregulation start-ups have since permanently departed.
Thusly, with no competition to keep them honest, the legacy airlines priced themselves out of middle America, choosing instead to committ hari-kari with ventures knee deep into the over-served, ultra hyper-competitive markets with razor-thin margins. These so-called prestige markets I might add, gained subsidy for their artificially low fares on the backs of folks in Wichita, Harrisburg, Minot, Grand Rapids, Gainesville, Eugene, Bangor, Des Moines and Montgomery to name just a few...
Free enterprise and the market economy, don't ya just love it!?



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