FlyinTLow From Germany, joined Oct 2004, 521 posts, RR: 0 Posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 8578 times:
I was just looking around planemad.net and while i was scanning through the production list of the Airbus A330, I began to wonder:
The A330 is a very successful plane today with lots and lots of orders. NW, LH, EK, US, CX, and the new chinese orders, just to name a few. But what took the plane so long to get successful? As far as I remember, the aircraft's maiden flight was in 1995? But orders didn't seem to really pick up till the late ninties? What took the airline's so long to figure the plane out? Why were they so hesitant at first? Or was there just no demand in the eyes of the airlines for a plane like this?
Laxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25511 posts, RR: 50
Reply 3, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 8461 times:
I believe part of reason for increased recent A330's success (especially the -200 series) has been the decision by several operators to replace their DC-10, B763 and even A300 fleets.
The A330 has the ability to economically operate both on short regional segments and also intercontinental routes.
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Carpethead From Japan, joined Aug 2004, 2961 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 7749 times:
Similar to the 757, the A330 took a while for sales to take-off.
The reverse can be said about the A343 as there have been very little activity of late. The higher MTOW of the A333 is one of the factors of eating into the A343 market plus established A343 carriers are satisfied that they no longer need to order more.
PM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6926 posts, RR: 63
Reply 14, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 7714 times:
Quoting Musapapaya (Reply 12): PM, seems likely that you are right, but i have to say that both the 346, 343 or 330 are good aircrafts. the 343 is excellent if you dont mind its slow climbing rate.
Oh, I wasn't passing judgement on the 343, just trying to clarify what the debate was about.
Something else that occurs to me is the premis in the original thread: "...successful so late?". "So late?" At best the 330 is merely middle-aged in airliner terms and it has so far sold 500 examples. The 767, for example, is a decade or more older and hasn't yet reached 1,000. I suspect that the 787/A350 will quickly bring the A330 story to a premature end but I don't see its sales so far as being problematic. How many DC10/MD11s were sold over 30 years?
RayChuang From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 8018 posts, RR: 5
Reply 17, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 6900 times:
If Airbus had stuck to their production schedule of only the A330-300, sales of the A330 would have stayed relatively low outside of Asia because its range (circa 5,000 nautical miles) would not be sufficient for flights from Europe to much of the rest of the world. It was only at the airlines' prodding that Airbus offered the A330-200, which with its 6,400 nm range made it possible to fly from Europe to most of the world's destinations non-stop. I believe that AF uses the A332 on flights from CDG to former French African colonies, where the airline makes lots of €'s per flight.
SU184 From Egypt, joined Feb 2004, 236 posts, RR: 11
Reply 18, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 6879 times:
If CX were that unhappy with their A346's, why then they still operate them specially they only have 3 leased ones, they could have swapped them for a -"better"- performing aircrafts as some people might like to say, I see the A346 as THE perfect aircraft in many aspects.
WindowSeat From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1312 posts, RR: 57
Reply 19, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 6713 times:
Quoting SU184 (Reply 18): If CX were that unhappy with their A346's, why then they still operate them specially they only have 3 leased ones, they could have swapped them for a -"better"- performing aircrafts as some people might like to say...
Perhaps because there aren't many aircraft, that are relatively new and similar to A346 in capacity and range, currently available...
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PHXinterrupted From United States of America, joined Apr 2002, 474 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 6218 times:
Quoting Keesje (Reply 15): Airlines want to benefit from the growth now. An efficient 250-300 seater with good cargo capasity is instrumental in this. The 787 will be available after 2009, so most have limited options.
According to Boeing's 787 website:
Production will begin in 2006. First flight is expected in 2007 with certification, delivery and entry into service occurring in 2008.