Airbrasil From Brazil, joined Nov 2003, 205 posts, RR: 1 Posted (8 years 2 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 2889 times:
Here it goes two more..
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Frontier Airlines Offers Non-Stop Service Between Denver and San Antonio, Texas
New Service is Fifth Frontier Destination in the Lone Star State
DENVER (March 16, 2005) - Frontier Airlines (Nasdaq: FRNT) will begin new service between its Denver International Airport (DEN) hub and San Antonio International Airport (SAT) in Texas, beginning June 26, 2005. The two daily non-stops between Denver and San Antonio will utilize Frontier’s new Airbus aircraft, with 33 inches of legroom, 24 channels of LiveTV and pay-per-view movies. The new service will also connect San Antonio to dozens of Frontier cities throughout the U.S. and Mexico.
Frontier separately announced today that it will begin service between Denver and Akron-Canton, Ohio (CAK) on June 15, 2005 and that it will increase service to match growing demand in Seattle, Wash. and San Jose, Calif.
“San Antonio is our fifth city in Texas making the Lone Star State one of our top destinations,” said Andrew Hudson, senior director of marketing and communications for Frontier Airlines. “We know that a low-fare, high-value product like ours does well in the Texas market and we know that Denver travelers will want to take advantage of all that San Antonio offers such as the Riverwalk, a vibrant downtown and a great heritage dating back to the Alamo. San Antonio needs low fares to the top destinations around the country, and Frontier Airlines is proud to introduce those fares, along with new aircraft, 24 channels of LiveTV and the best employees in the industry, to this underserved market.”
“We’re absolutely thrilled to see Frontier Airlines coming to San Antonio International Airport,” said Kevin Dolliole, Airport Director of San Antonio International Airport. “This move will offer our customers more choices for air travel. In just a little more than a decade Frontier has managed to build an operation that’s already reaching 44 destinations in 25 states and five cities in Mexico. We’re happy to be part of Frontier’s continued growth.”
Following is the San Antonio flight schedule:
Denver-San Antonio
Flight Number Departs Arrives Frequency
681
3:20 p.m.
6:20 p.m.
Daily
683
7:10 p.m.
10:10 p.m.
Daily
San Antonio-Denver
Flight Number Departs Arrives Frequency
688
6:30 a.m.
7:40 a.m.
Daily*
624
7:00 p.m.
8:10 p.m.
Daily
All times given in local arrival or departure city times.
*Flight 688 begins on June 27, 2005
To celebrate the new service to San Antonio, Frontier will offer special introductory fares as low as $99 for domestic travel and from $149 for international travel. All sale fares are one-way, with round-trip purchase required and must be purchased by 10:00 p.m. MDT, April 19, 2005 for travel between June 26, 2005 and November 16, 2005. Domestic sale fares also require a 14-day advanced purchase. To make a reservation, customers can visit Frontier’s Web site at www.frontierairlines.com, contact Frontier Airlines at 1-800-4321-FLY, or consult their professional travel agent.
Frontier Airlines Becomes Only Carrier to Offer Non-Stop Service Between Denver and Akron-Canton, Ohio
New Service Will Bring Low Fares to the Cleveland Area and Northeast Ohio
DENVER (March 16, 2005) - Frontier Airlines (Nasdaq: FRNT) will begin new service between its Denver International Airport (DEN) hub and Akron-Canton Airport (CAK) in Ohio, beginning June 15, 2005. The two daily non-stops between Denver and Akron-Canton will utilize Frontier’s new Airbus aircraft, with 33 inches of legroom, 24 channels of LiveTV and pay-per-view movies. The new service will also connect the Cleveland area and Northeast Ohio to dozens of Frontier cities throughout the West and Mexico.
Frontier separately announced today that it will begin service between Denver and San Antonio International Airport (SAT) on June 26, 2005 and that it will increase service to match growing demand in Seattle, Wash. and San Jose, Calif.
“Akron-Canton is fast becoming the low fare hub for Northeastern Ohio, and we are proud to be an integral part of that growth,” said Paul Tate, senior vice president and chief financial officer. “The strength of the Akron-Canton airport is in no small part due to their focus on attracting the very best service for travelers in the region, and we are confident that Frontier will exceed the expectations of those travelers who have forgotten what a great experience flying can be. We look forward to serving Northeast Ohio with LiveTV, pay-per-view movies, comfortable seats and the industry’s finest service from the industry’s best employees.”
"Frontier Airlines is a perfect match for our airport and Northeast Ohio," said Airport Director Fred Krum. "They are the undisputed leader in affordable west coast flying and we offer a great airport experience that customers prefer. Flying to Denver and beyond just got a lot better for travelers in our region."
Akron Mayor and President of the U.S. Conference of Mayors, Donald Plusquellic remarked, “We are delighted Frontier Airlines has chosen Akron-Canton as its first Ohio community for non-stop service to Denver. We see this as a vital western link that will help us attract new business and tourists to our great city.”
“The residents of Canton, Ohio are pleased to welcome Frontier Airlines to our hometown airport and the home of the Pro Football Hall of Fame,” said Mayor Janet Creighton. “Affordable flights to and from Denver and the West will be popular with sports fans and business travelers alike.”
Following is the Akron-Canton flight schedule:
Denver-Akron/Canton
Flight Number Departs Arrives Frequency
497
10:40 a.m.
3:20 p.m.
Daily
491
6:45 p.m.
11:25 p.m.
Daily*
Akron/Canton-Denver
Flight Number Departs Arrives Frequency
496
6:40 a.m.
7:50 a.m.
Daily*
494
4:00 p.m.
5:10 p.m.
Daily
All times given in local arrival or departure city times.
*Flight 491 begins on June 26, 2005 and flight 496 begins on June 27, 2005.
To celebrate the new service to Akron-Canton, Frontier will offer special introductory fares as low as $99 for domestic travel and from $149 for international travel. All sale fares shown are one-way, with round-trip purchase required and must be purchased by 10:00 p.m. MDT, April 19, 2005 for travel between June 15, 2005 and November 16, 2005. Domestic sale fares also require a 14-day advanced purchase. To make a reservation, customers can visit Frontier’s Web site at www.frontierairlines.com, contact Frontier Airlines at 1-800-4321-FLY, or consult their professional travel agent.
PSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 6867 posts, RR: 29 Reply 1, posted (8 years 2 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 2858 times:
I guess CAK then was the "worst kept secret" at F9
Jtamu97 From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 655 posts, RR: 2 Reply 3, posted (8 years 2 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 2797 times:
That is great for SAT and I doubt Southwest would be affected at all as they do not fly to Colorado at all except via the codeshare with ATA. Will be great to see those tails in SAT.
AS739X From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 5819 posts, RR: 23 Reply 4, posted (8 years 2 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 2784 times:
This is so exciting. It will sure be wierd looking at a F9 Airbus at CAK. If I remember correctly I don't think CAK has ever even had a regular scheduled Airbus before. Nice work Fred!
ASSFO
"Some pilots avoid storm cells and some play connect the dots!"
Agreed. He's done wonders for CAK, though I still prefer to avoid it with my one not so good experience. And bad job Fred S. and John Mok. You should have made them room to come to CLE!
"Why you fly is your business, how you fly is ours"
Flyinryan99 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 1919 posts, RR: 11 Reply 10, posted (8 years 2 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2600 times:
I've said it once.....and I'll continue to say it. Fred Krum is a gosh darn genius! CAK has got it done and they will continue to get it done. I wonder if CAK is working on getting AirTran to fly to MDW. 2 Dailies to MDW would be very nice also, IMO. Maybe DFW and BWI on the horizon? Who knows....Fred keeps his cards very well hidden. He definitely had a Full house here. Wonder when he's going to pull out the Royal Flush!
Qwerty From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 377 posts, RR: 0 Reply 11, posted (8 years 2 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2579 times:
CAK makes sense. I am surprised they did not pick another Eastern Time zone city to better utilize equipment. I think RDU would have been a better pick.
Quoting Jtamu97 (Reply 3): That is great for SAT and I doubt Southwest would be affected at all as they do not fly to Colorado at all except via the codeshare with ATA. Will be great to see those tails in SAT.
Do you know which TX cities they are going to add to the PHX ATA codeshare. Right now Denver is SWA-served only East of the Mississippi.
Iowaman From United States of America, joined exactly 9 years ago today! , 4089 posts, RR: 7 Reply 12, posted (8 years 2 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2578 times:
Qwerty From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 377 posts, RR: 0 Reply 13, posted (8 years 2 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2547 times:
Another thought. Is it just me or isn't AUS and SAT too concentrated. I wonder what the zip code bookings for AUS looked like. If I had to guess, I would have throught there would be a lot of San Antonio people driving up for for those AUS flights.
Mariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 22707 posts, RR: 88 Reply 14, posted (8 years 2 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2491 times:
SAT - at long last.
Qwerty - all of Frontier's flights DEN/AUS are sold out tomorrow (all the Texas flights, actually) and this is often true. So there may be AUS folk who would drive to SAT as well as vv.
CAK - knock me down with a feather!
I don't think F9 will pull a Ryanair trick (as in Frankfurt/Hahn) and call it Cleveland/Akron - but they could.
So - like a few people - I'm wondering why CAK and not, say, RDU, and I suspect that airport costs and charges probably played a role in this.
We simply don't know how sweet CAK made the deal, but I would guess it is pretty sweet.
Then again, CAK has a fairly big catchment area, and there's a lot to be said for providing the only service to a city, especially with Frontier's connections to the west.
So I would think the summer will do well. Might even get a few pax connecting to Alaska to avoid that midwest summer sizzle.
Winter becomes a bit of a question mark, because I haven't yet checked what the connections CAK/DEN/Mexico look like - but that could be a big pot of honey for Frontier.
And this could be the reason it is CAK and not RDU. I don't think the winters are that brutal at Raleigh?
Mariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 22707 posts, RR: 88 Reply 15, posted (8 years 2 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2444 times:
Quoting Mariner (Reply 14): because I haven't yet checked what the connections CAK/DEN/Mexico look like - but that could be a big pot of honey for Frontier.
Okay, so I looked at the connections. The afternoon CAK/DEN arrives at 5.10 pm, well in time for the ANC departures.
Mexico: the early CAK/DEN arrives at 7.50 am, meaning there's a couple of hours faffing around until #42 - DEN/CUN, as well as the other Mexican resort flights.
(Mind you, #42 is becoming so popular for the connecting flights, they might have to add another frequency around the same time).
However, I also checked fares. Using Travelocity Flexible Dates, the cheapest r/t I got for CAK/CUN was $1008.
I would think the good folk at Akron/Canton/Cleveland would smile very sweetly at some of Frontier's fares to Mexico.
Jtamu97 From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 655 posts, RR: 2 Reply 16, posted (8 years 2 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2432 times:
Qwerty,
Don't know about the Phoenix codeshares. Also, Austin and San Antonio are relatively close, but driving from San Antonio to AUS can sometimes be a hassle. It will now be very convenient for residents of San Antonio, plus the departure time appears it is directed towards the business traveller.
TOLtommy From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3220 posts, RR: 4 Reply 17, posted (8 years 2 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2430 times:
CAK-DEN-CUN would be quite a backtrack. Funjet and USA3000 offer CLE-CUN service, so I doubt they'll take much of the market.
F9 didn't go into CAK to pick up leisure traffic. I'm sure they've seen a good deal of full Y traffic at CAK to LGA, BOS and ATL. For example, CO has taken a hit on CLE-LGA. FL charges less than $400 r/t for a walk up ticket CAK-LGA, while CO charges over $1000. Those Airtran flights aren't full of $49 fares, they are of full Y fares. F9 sees that CAK has done a good job pulling high yield traffic away from CLE, and probably sees that CAK-west coast is a market they can take advantage of. RDU might be a good idea down the road, but I think there's more "low hanging fruit" at CAK. Kudos to Fred and Kristi!
Mariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 22707 posts, RR: 88 Reply 18, posted (8 years 2 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2397 times:
TOLtommy:
For the sake of saving $500 or so CAK/DEN/CUN, I'd do a backtrack. However, there is very little backtrack involved in CAK/SJD or CAK/MZT or CAK/PVR or CAK/ZIH.
Nor am I quite so dismissive of "leisure traffic". Some of the fares F9 is getting to CUN make this shareholders heart sing.
And while I agree that the west coast connections are the key to the deal, I assume we all agree on that.
But that would be true of other citites as well, so the question being debated is why CAK over those other cities, and the Mexico connections are increasingly important to Frontier in the winter, given that United saw Frontier's Mexican honeypot at DEN and went for a share.
Mariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 22707 posts, RR: 88 Reply 20, posted (8 years 2 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2380 times:
Qwerty:
Quoting Qwerty (Reply 19): I think the debate is actually SAT vs. RDU. I think CAK was smart.
That would surprise me. Most of us who follow Frontier have been scratching our heads as to why SAT was ignored for so long.
There was considerable surprise (and some grumbling) when ONT was cancelled and LIT got the gurnsey for Express service, and not SAT.
I am warming to the idea of CAK, but it is still somewhat from left field. There was a thread a few weeks ago about the new cities, and the consensus was that it would be RDU, with DTW in second place.
CAK was never mentioned, although CLE, CMH and DAY were. There's also a more recent thread suggesting CAK, and most replies saying it wouldn't happen.
Ssides From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4059 posts, RR: 23 Reply 21, posted (8 years 2 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2368 times:
Quoting Qwerty (Reply 13): Is it just me or isn't AUS and SAT too concentrated. I wonder what the zip code bookings for AUS looked like. If I had to guess, I would have throught there would be a lot of San Antonio people driving up for for those AUS flights.
Austin and San Antonio are still 90 miles apart, and are very distinct metropolitan areas. Sure, the area in between is growing very quickly, but I don't know many people who live in Austin that drive to San Antonio for flights, or vice versa.
Things might be different if there were a hub airport in one of the cities, but in its absence, fares from both airports are pretty similar. SAT / KSAT), USA - Texas">SAT might be a bit less expensive, but rarely less expensive enough to justify an hour and a half or two-hour drive.
Qwerty From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 377 posts, RR: 0 Reply 22, posted (8 years 2 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2348 times:
Quoting Mariner (Reply 20): That would surprise me. Most of us who follow Frontier have been scratching our heads as to why SAT was ignored for so long.
Are you sure having a flight out of AUS is being ignored? Granted it's a little of a drive, but we are not talking about MEM vs. BNA thing here. AUS is south of downtown Austin and just like driving to the San Marcos outlet malls for SAT people.
AUS fits for me. Lots of traveling tech jobs.
CAK makes sense for me:
Cleveland
EASTERN time zone.
RDU fits for me:
see Austin
EASTERN time zone.
I don't see the pent up SAT demand. But I don't live in SAT.
ERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6626 posts, RR: 19 Reply 23, posted (8 years 2 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2330 times:
WTF? No service again? How long must this last...
That's fine.. It's alright with me.. If F9 don't get it soon, I shall be writing B6 and tell them that the RDU-DEN market is also right for their picking..
UA made a grave mistaken trying to keep RDU an express market then attempting RDU-DEN on a CR7..
F9 is making a big mistake overlooking RDU again...
But its okay.. it will come.. and when it does, it will be a big shock to all as to who will fly it..
Quoting TOLtommy (Reply 17): RDU might be a good idea down the road, but I think there's more "low hanging fruit" at CAK.
I don't think the fruit can hang much lower.. UA was easily filling the CR7 (when the weight allowed).. I think that is good notice that the RDU market is at full bloom..
Quoting Mariner (Reply 14): I suspect that airport costs and charges probably played a role in this.
RDU cost are actually not very expensive.. I know that landing fees are $0.97/1000 lb.. gate space rent is not expensive at all.. I think that NW rents around 2500 sq ft.. and pay a couple thousand a month or something like that.. it's pretty darn cheap... and the potential customers are there.. this makes me scratch my chin..
Anyone know who I must get in contact with to get some action going on?
SprxUSA From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 139 posts, RR: 0 Reply 24, posted (8 years 2 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2313 times:
I think both will do well.
However, I think the flight times into San Antonio suck. Earliest you can get there is 6:20pm? Come on. That sure doesn't cater to inbound business traffic.
At least the outbounds are good. Love the 7:00pm.
And I think both will get 1 each -318 and -319.
Gem State Airlines..."we have a gem of an airline"
25 Mariner: Qwerty: I'm not from these parts anymore, and I've never been to AUS or SAT. However, Ssides in reply 21 seems to think they are quite different marke
26 ERJ170: Ohh.. they need an online customer comment section like all the other airlines do.. that manual writing/typing, buying a stamp, going to the post offi
27 SegmentKing: ERJ, with all considerations, your call won't help a thing. CAK is offering new airlines waived landing fees, marketing assistance, and sometimes subs
28 N766UA: All I have to say is screw you, CLE! Flippin' idiots scared off another airline and woah go figure they went to CAK. That's ok though, I'm flying FL f
29 ERJ170: Slow your roll there Mister.. let's not get something started.. No one ever said Mr Menke wasn't doing a good job.. and no one said he doesn't know w
30 Jetmek319: Quite the contrary.... Frontier is always glad to hear from the public, and suggestions are encouraged. I urge you to contact whomever you wish at Fr
31 Mariner: Jetmek: Greetings from Down Under! Speaking of which, we should be due for another one quite soon, I think? With the departure of the 737's, there can
32 NW7E7: CAK!!?? And still no mention of upgrading LIT to mainline.......
33 SegmentKing: ERJ, The only way to get Frontier interested in a route is to work with the airport and a community backed group and do a presentation, such as Bloomi
34 ERJ170: I always thought that those kind of tactics were for airports that didn't necessary have the necessary drive for the airline.. I thought airports lik
35 Redngold: Yayers, another option for my upcoming travel to the southwest... CAK is a great airport, free parking and shuttle, short waits, yeeehaw! redngold
37 F9Animal: I think SAT will do great. Texas has been very good to F9. I am glad to see F9 taking Texas by the rope!! YEEEE HAAAAWWWWW!! As far as CAK, I think it
38 Ciccone: Remember that San Antonio is twice the size of Austin. I think that San Antonio needs more choices. All the flights that I have been on lately (Ameri
39 RDUDDJI: CAK is a nice airport and is an excellent alternative for those in Canton/Akron/Wadsworth (where my Pop is from). Do they have jetways now? Last time
40 TOLtommy: RedNGold - There's no free parking at CAK. Unless yer in short term for less than 15 minutes. There is a shuttle from long term, yes, but you pay to p
41 MichaelF: Yipee! Frontier is coming to San Antonio! I will finally be able to snap some photos of those tails!
42 CMB320: All I can say is, FINALLY! I honestly can't believe how long it's taken for F9 to come to San Antonio. One of the 10 largest cities in the country and
43 N200WN: I've also been asking the same question about Frontier coming to SAT...it's about time and glad to see it. AirTran has got to be next and also hoping
44 Ciccone: Last year Air Tran had a survey to all Atlanta residents on there web site asking which new cities they would like Air Trans to serve. SAT was one of
45 MichaelF: N200WN, this is very interesting regarding the new terminal at SAT. Where can I find more information on this? Yes, we have the 8th largest actual CI
46 N200WN: Well I just checked the SAT airport web site and there is absolutely no information on the airport master plan there. I know in the office somewhere
47 N200WN: You're right MichaelF...as has been discussed in the forum over and over again...Metro area size is what matters when considering population. But bus
48 Flashmeister: For what it's worth, when I lived in SAT for 2 years (2000-2002), I drove to AUS twice for F9 flights. I disagree that SAT is an economic powerhouse.
49 AirplaneBoy: I'm looking forward to SAT layovers....but CAK??? Hmm... I wonder how far the hotel is from the airport or what there might be nearby to do during our
50 MichaelF: What about Valero and USAA? Thanks for the suggestion. I'll go over there next time I'm in the airport.
51 TOLtommy: AirplaneBoy, you've got the Pro Football Hall Of Fame in Canton. I understand a few Broncos are in the building. Depends how long your layovers are, b
52 CMB320: You're certainly right... San Antonio is not an economic powerhouse. However, we do have more of a business community than the few mentioned above, in
53 F9Animal: Hey AirplaneBoy!! Hope everything is going well for ya! CAK may be a great market after all. I have not been to CAK yet, but it sure will be on my li
54 N766UA: Yep, they have 5 or 6 jetways. It's funny to see the jetways leading uphill to the 717 at the gate!
55 Jetpixx: This is great news for CAK - good job to Panaman for getting this right a week or two ago in another thread. I read this in the PD on Wednesday, the n
56 TOLtommy: If CAK was between CLE and CAK, i could see it morphing into a replacement for Hopkins. But CAK is 10 miles south of Akron, and a good 50 miles from d
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