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Why Is BA Reducing LHR-Alexandria Flights?  
User currently offlineHorus From Egypt, joined Feb 2004, 5230 posts, RR: 60
Posted (9 years 1 month 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 3344 times:

I was just looking through the schedules and noticed BA, or should I say British Mediterranean, are reducing flights to Alexandria (HBE) and turning them into a one stop service (currently non-stop).

At the moment they have 4x weekly LHR-HBE-ADD-HBE-LHR flights with A320s (BA6565), but from the start of the summer season they're changing it to LHR-BEY-HBE-BEY-LHR on a 3x weekly basis with A320s.

What's the reason for this drop? Since they introduced this service in the late 90s they've gradually increased it from 1x weekly to 4x weekly, and have enjoyed a large number of passengers (upto 70% in the summer) making onward connections on their North Altantic flights. In the meantime other airlines are introducing new services and increasing frequencies to Alex (HBE/ALY):

-Austrian Airlines: starting a new VIE-HBE-VIE service with 4x weekly A319 flights in May.
-Olympic Airways: doubling current flights from 2 to 4x weekly (ATH-ALY-ATH) this summer.
-Lufthansa: upgrading some FRA-ALY flights from A319 to A320 over the summer.
-Air Arabia: Adding a second daily flight from SHJ with A320s
-Gulf Air: Starting a new 2x weekly A320 BAH-HBE service as well as increasing AUH-HBE from 2 to 3x weekly A320.
-Kuwait Airways: increasing KWI-ALY flights from 1x weekly to 3x weekly A320 flights.
-Saudi Arabian Airline: increasing flights out of JED and RUH to ALY with MD-90s

There are also rumours AF and AZ might start flights later this year. As Egypt's second city, the demand is there and is evident by the increases shown, so why is BMed shying away from HBE?


Horus


EGYPT: A 7,000 Year Old Civilisation
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User currently offlineODAFZ From Afghanistan, joined Jul 2004, 356 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (9 years 1 month 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 3180 times:

Dear Horus,

A simple answer to your question would be that the intensified competition from the companies you are listing has pushed BA to take that decision.
OA increasing flights to ATH is not due only for O&D or VFR traffic, the greek community in ALY has dwindled to insignificant numbers in the past decades, but the flights are fulll of connecting passengers to Europe and USA (excellent connecting flights).
The re-routing of BA flights is another indication of the pristine strategic planning of BA . I doubt that the ALY-ADD got any significant traffic (kind of remind me SU mid seventies flight from NDJ to SSG), but ALY-BEY who is not served by either MS or ME on a consistent basis although there is a lot of traffic between the 2 cities. I bet you that ALY-BEY-ALY leg will have a 100% load factor. BTW , ME and MS hold rights to fly to ALY but were never used except in the early fifties when I think there was a weekly DC3 flight between the 2 cities.
As a matter of fact I was born in ALY and left when 2 years old, but visited again. Have a lot of good memories of my hometown but also from Agami beach.
I wish you a nice day


User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19097 posts, RR: 53
Reply 2, posted (9 years 1 month 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 3166 times:

Quoting ODAFZ (Reply 1):
I bet you that ALY-BEY-ALY leg will have a 100% load factor.

But I very much doubt that BMed will have fifth-freedom rights to carry passengers on the BEY-ALY-BEY legs.



"Everyone writing for the Telegraph knows that the way to grab eyeballs is with Ryanair and/or sex."
User currently offlineNeder99 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2000, 184 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (9 years 1 month 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 3107 times:

BMED does have a very limited fleet, so while you will see more frequencies to other cities on their network (like Yerevan and Tehran), other destinations will have to suffer as cause of that (in this case Alexandria).
Don't know about the summer, but in winter the pax flying to HBE seem to be mainly, erm, more senior folk (as in SAGA Holidays), with the more high-yield Club pax most continuing on to ADD.

BMED will indeed not have 5th Freedom rights on BEY-HBE-BEY.


User currently offlineODAFZ From Afghanistan, joined Jul 2004, 356 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (9 years 1 month 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 3031 times:

The route to ADD has been re-routed via AMM.
Now , on the question of 5th freedom rights, it is the subject of the provisions between the bilateral air services agreement between the UK and Egypt since Lebanon has an open sky policy with no reciprocity, so there will be traffic at least between BEY and ALY.
It will be very nice of Horus to say if there will be 5th freedom traffic rights between the 2 cities or what are the provision between Egypt and the UK.


User currently offlineHorus From Egypt, joined Feb 2004, 5230 posts, RR: 60
Reply 5, posted (9 years 1 month 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 3005 times:

Quoting ODAFZ (Reply 1):
A simple answer to your question would be that the intensified competition from the companies you are listing has pushed BA to take that decision.

Apparently BA took the decision to reduce ALY in January before OA decided to double their flights (February) and OS announcing their new flights (they only got the approval on the 5th of March). And if the reason was 'over competition' then surely the best move would have been to improve their frequency and capacity to capture a large portion of the Alexandria-Europe market, they already offer the best service compared to LH, OA and OS, since their aircraft are configured in a very comfortable layout in Y and have Club World seats. Definitely a shame...

Quoting ODAFZ (Reply 1):
OA increasing flights to ATH is not due only for O&D or VFR traffic, the greek community in ALY has dwindled to insignificant numbers in the past decades, but the flights are fulll of connecting passengers to Europe and USA (excellent connecting flights).

As I already mentioned, the vast majority of passengers on the Alex-Europe flights are making onward flights to North America. I guess those making onward connections to Europe wouldn't go with BA considering the geographical position of LHR.

In February I flew LHR-ATH-CAI-ATH-LHR with OA and I have to agree the ATH-CAI-ATH flights were full in both classes and many made onward connections in Athens.

As for a 'dwindling' Greek community in Alex, though their numbers dropped in the 50s and 60s there's still a significant community who reside in the city (as well as Italians). And the case is the same with Athens, where the largest Arab population are Egyptians followed by Libyans then Lebanese.
So you can't dismiss the O&D market.

Quoting ODAFZ (Reply 1):
I doubt that the ALY-ADD got any significant traffic (kind of remind me SU mid seventies flight from NDJ to SSG), but ALY-BEY who is not served by either MS or ME on a consistent basis although there is a lot of traffic between the 2 cities. I bet you that ALY-BEY-ALY leg will have a 100% load factor. BTW , ME and MS hold rights to fly to ALY but were never used except in the early fifties when I think there was a weekly DC3 flight between the 2 cities.

A few points:

-No, BA did not have fifth freedom rights between ALY and ADD.

-No, BA will not have fifth freedom rights between ALY and BEY. Yes, BEY has an open sky policy but Egyptian authorities won't allow such a move...many have tried and failed before.

-You are incorrect, MS do have flights on the ALY-BEY-ALY route for a few years now. MS709/710 operates every week with A320s.

Quoting ODAFZ (Reply 1):
As a matter of fact I was born in ALY and left when 2 years old, but visited again. Have a lot of good memories of my hometown but also from Agami beach.

A fellow Alexandrian then...the Egyptian side of me is also from Alex. As for Agami...I have a beach villa there!

Quoting Neder99 (Reply 3):
BMED does have a very limited fleet, so while you will see more frequencies to other cities on their network (like Yerevan and Tehran), other destinations will have to suffer as cause of that (in this case Alexandria).

What happened to their plan to become an all-A321 operator?

Quoting Neder99 (Reply 3):
Don't know about the summer, but in winter the pax flying to HBE seem to be mainly, erm, more senior folk (as in SAGA Holidays)

Funny you should say that, my friend's gran flies HBE-LHR-HBE every winter to visit her family. She says she prefers them as they are non-stop and as a 'senior folk' she doesn't like the hassle and time involved with a one stop-service or transitting. Not sure what it'll happen now. Even though ALY passengers won't need to de-board at BEY, it still add an extra 3 hours of travelling time.

Neder99, any plans to reintroduce non-stop flights to HBE?


Horus



EGYPT: A 7,000 Year Old Civilisation
User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19097 posts, RR: 53
Reply 6, posted (9 years 1 month 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 2920 times:

Quoting Horus (Reply 5):
As for Agami...I have a beach villa there!

Gonna allow me to borrow your keys?  Big grin



"Everyone writing for the Telegraph knows that the way to grab eyeballs is with Ryanair and/or sex."
User currently offlineFlyCaledonian From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 2048 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (9 years 1 month 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 2833 times:

I might be accused of nit-picking, but it's not BA's decision to reroute these flights but rather KJ's, i.e BMED as the airline is now known. It seems BMED is recasting its timetable, with the KHT and HBE flights now operating via BEY, and the ADD flights operating via AMM.

Other changes this summer see Aleppo lose a frequency (Twice weekly,m down from thrice), Tbilisi gains a frequency (Up to thrice weekly from twice weekly) and Tehran becomes six times weekly (up from five times), the latter part of KJ's stated intent to eventually serve the Iranian capital on a daily basis. (Currently BEY, AMM, DAM and GYD all enjoy a daily service from LHR.)



Let's Go British Caledonian!
User currently offlineAIR MALTA From Malta, joined Sep 2001, 2462 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (9 years 1 month 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 2760 times:

Tehran is to be served daily for this Summer 2005.


Next flights : BRU-ZRH-CAI (LX)/ BRU-FCO-TLV (AZ)
User currently offlineDkny From Ethiopia, joined Mar 2004, 713 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (9 years 1 month 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2754 times:

Will this effect arrival and departure time from ADD and any frequency change here. In Addition to ET 4 weekly flights (up to 5 weekly during peak season) to LHR, ET will be flying to LGW twice weekly begining July.

User currently offlineHorus From Egypt, joined Feb 2004, 5230 posts, RR: 60
Reply 10, posted (9 years 1 month 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2689 times:

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 6):
Gonna allow me to borrow your keys? Big grin

Sure, but whats the magic word?

Quoting Dkny (Reply 9):
Will this effect arrival and departure time from ADD and any frequency change here

Frequency remains the same but some flights will be with A321s.

As for timings...
http://www.britishairways.com/travel...hedules/public/en_gb?prim=plantrip

Quoting FlyCaledonian (Reply 7):
I might be accused of nit-picking, but it's not BA's decision to reroute these flights but rather KJ's, i.e BMED as the airline is now known

Nah, thats true, my mistake.


Horus



EGYPT: A 7,000 Year Old Civilisation
User currently offlineHorus From Egypt, joined Feb 2004, 5230 posts, RR: 60
Reply 11, posted (9 years 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 2622 times:

Yemenia announced today they're launching SAH-ALY flights with 2x weekly B738 flights (IY602/603) on Tuesdays and Thursdays. Flights start in June.

Shame BA/BMed couldn't hack the competition.

Horus



EGYPT: A 7,000 Year Old Civilisation
User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19097 posts, RR: 53
Reply 12, posted (9 years 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2615 times:

Quoting Horus (Reply 10):
Sure, but whats the magic word?

I am keen to say please, but I'm sure you're thinking in terms of £££.  Wink  Silly



"Everyone writing for the Telegraph knows that the way to grab eyeballs is with Ryanair and/or sex."
User currently offlineHorus From Egypt, joined Feb 2004, 5230 posts, RR: 60
Reply 13, posted (9 years 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2601 times:

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 12):
I am keen to say please, but I'm sure you're thinking in terms of £££.

Oh James I'm hurt you'd think all I care about are material goods....a simple 'please' with a smile would of been enough.......................Jeez, who am I kidding....I almost believed myself there....so yeah a grand and some sheep will be okay (and no Gkirk doesn't count)...lol

Seriously though if I'm in Egypt at that time (and I think I will be) then you are more than welcome to come and I'll show you around Alex and Cairo.

Horus



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