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The Process Of Starting An Airline  
User currently offlineQuestAir From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 367 posts, RR: 0
Posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3197 times:

I know that this has been discussed before, and I've done searches here in the forum. But I can't find the answer. So how does one go about starting an airline? The more details, the better. Thanks


'Do we carry rich people on our flights? Yes, I flew on one this morning and I�m very rich.' - Michael O'Leary
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User currently offlineJdaniel001 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3185 times:

Your not actually thinking of starting an airline are you?

User currently offlineRJ100 From Switzerland, joined Nov 2000, 4118 posts, RR: 29
Reply 2, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3163 times:

ok in short:

-write a business plan
-show your business plan to the investors (only in case you dont have the money on your own Big grin )
-contact the civil aviation authorities, they will tell you what it needs to run an airline
-if you can fulfill all requirements then they will give you the license

Notice that you need enough cash to start an airline (for instance the authorities require you to have enough money to pay the staff for a few months).

It might be better to start with just selling tickets, outsource the flying part to a company that already has a license. They will fly for you while you can concentrate on marketing your flights. Once you are in the business you can work on your own license.

I have an example of an ACMI (aircraft, maintenance and insurance) contract here. I can make a copy and send it to you if you are interested.

Regards,
RJ100



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User currently offlineTeahan From Germany, joined Nov 1999, 5293 posts, RR: 61
Reply 3, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3153 times:

A great account of one guy’s experience doing just that:

‘Fuelled by Belief, the CityJet Story’ by Pat Byrne
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...-9827240?v=glance&s=books&n=507846

Jeremiah



Goodbye SR-LX MD-11 / 6th of March 1991 to the 31st of October 2004
User currently offlineQuestAir From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 367 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3146 times:

RJ100, I'd be interested in seeing the ACMI contract.


'Do we carry rich people on our flights? Yes, I flew on one this morning and I�m very rich.' - Michael O'Leary
User currently offlineB742 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2005, 3767 posts, RR: 19
Reply 5, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3134 times:

If you are starting your own airline, please can I have a free flight!!!  Big grin


You should have a look a purchasing the game, Airline Simulation. You create your own airlines and its quite realistic! I find it very good fun!

Airline Simulation

Rob!


User currently offlineJdaniel001 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3089 times:

It's almost as easy as RJ100 stated. The DOT website has the necessary forms to fill out. After you write your business plan, make sure that there is some experience listed as top management, i.e. former airline CEO's. The go to a capital venturist. They'll float it by banks and private investors to fund your project. Normally, you have to fork out some of your own funds to show risk taking. Then the money will be funded once certain milestones are reached. For example, once a certificate is obtain, normally, the banks will fund most of what they promised.

After you get the letters of credit and pomissary notes. Then, apply to the FAA for a certificate. You have to show all kinds of documentation, including leases for gates, headquarters, aircraft, manual and financials. And all of this needs to be done within 90 days of application. Usually, once you contact the FAA and make an initial application then they assign you to a POI at a local FSDO. They need to be your best friend, the POI is the one that either signs your certificate or tells you to start over. The best thing is to have your manuals written prior to approaching the FAA, the leases are pretty easy. The entire certification process is pretty stressful, it's like runnng a VA, only this time you have something to loose.


User currently offlineRJ100 From Switzerland, joined Nov 2000, 4118 posts, RR: 29
Reply 7, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3088 times:

@QuestAir: I need to send it by mail. You can send your address to me (via my e-mail in the profile) if you want.

Best regards,
RJ100



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User currently offlineQuestAir From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 367 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3070 times:

Thanks, RJ100! I've sent the email.


'Do we carry rich people on our flights? Yes, I flew on one this morning and I�m very rich.' - Michael O'Leary
User currently offlineDAYflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 3807 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3064 times:

 bigthumbsup  I hear you can get US real cheap right now. A real fixer-upper.


One Nation Under God
User currently offlineSunking737 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2038 posts, RR: 8
Reply 10, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3052 times:

The best way to start an airline first is to put together a group of investors and start putting money together. You will need a business plan, and don't pay yourself a salary or anybody else at first.

Look for a small airline looking for investors, don't jump into starting service with a 747 or something big start small, there are a lot of used DC-9 and 737 sitting around. Start out with 1 or 2. Charters are another good way to start out, because you can sell out the whole plane to one group. Cash up front. But you must be willing to work long hours. If you want to work 9 to 5 forget it.

I know people who worked 16 hour days 7 days a week, to restart an airline out of chap 11. It must become part of your life or your life is your airline.

Motivation plays a big part of the team, everyone needs a positive attitude. The more money you have the better, everyone who you deal with will want letters of credit or cash up front. You will need at lest $ 30 to 40 million for the first year in biz alone. That is what an airline that I know of went through the first year with 4 jets.



Just an MSPAVGEEK
User currently offlineRedFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4315 posts, RR: 28
Reply 11, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3043 times:

Don't forget to reconcile your business plan against the FARs.


I'm not a racist...I hate Biden, too.
User currently offlineBackfire From Germany, joined Oct 2006, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3038 times:

How do you start an airline?

By making sure you can get your hands on a shedload of money.

The number one reason why new airlines fail is underestimation of the capital required.

Don't believe anyone who says that you can start a carrier with a couple of million. You'll need a lot more than that.


User currently offlineJHSfan From Denmark, joined Apr 2004, 469 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2994 times:

QuestAir,
you said you couldn't find any answer to the question. If it meant that you couldn't find any of the previous discussions, they are some:
Starting A New Airline , Starting A New Airline? , Starting An Airline , Starting An Airline? , Starting Up An Airline! , The Joys Of Starting A New Airline

Yours in realtime
JHSfan



Look at me, I´m riding high, I´m the airbornmaster of the sky...
User currently offlineQuestAir From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 367 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2986 times:

Quoting JHSfan (Reply 13):
you said you couldn't find any answer to the question.

Well, it was true. The forum archive search was taking forever, and after ten minutes I quit looking. Sorry.



'Do we carry rich people on our flights? Yes, I flew on one this morning and I�m very rich.' - Michael O'Leary
User currently offlineJdaniel001 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2976 times:

QuestAir, I found a powerpoint presentation of the steps taken for airlines certification, also I think I have one that explains the CSET process which is the new certification process that the FAA adopted in 1999. Ozark, Legend, Jetblue, National, and ACA/Delta Connection were all certified with the new standards.

User currently offlineQuestAir From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 367 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2966 times:

Quoting Jdaniel001 (Reply 15):
I found a powerpoint presentation of the steps taken for airlines certification

Really? Where'd you find it?



'Do we carry rich people on our flights? Yes, I flew on one this morning and I�m very rich.' - Michael O'Leary
User currently offlineJdaniel001 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2952 times:

I was getting some info for a friend of mine who was doing some research several months ago. I actually downloaded off of the FAA website, but I can't find the info on the website now.

User currently offlineQuestAir From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 367 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 2832 times:

How would one obtain financing? Do you just go right up to the banks and ask for it? (Not really!) But seriously, how is it done?


'Do we carry rich people on our flights? Yes, I flew on one this morning and I�m very rich.' - Michael O'Leary
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