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UA Upgrades SFO AUS Service From CR7 To 319  
User currently offlineUnitedTristar From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 3480 times:

It looks like the recently (with in the last few years) launched SFO AUS is so popular that they are upgrading it to mainline! It looks to start some time in April!


Great News for UA!

 slaphappy 

-m

 airplane 

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User currently offlineJdaniel001 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 3469 times:

That is awesome, I guess they are taken care of the capacity growth spurred by the tech industy in AUS and in the bay area.

User currently offlineGoldenshield From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 5970 posts, RR: 14
Reply 2, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 3438 times:

Either that, or the fact that SFO-AUS pushes the range/time envelope of the CR7.


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User currently offlineJdaniel001 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 3433 times:

That's probabley unlikely....DCA-DFW was a EVCR7 and DFW-BOI was a AE CR7.

User currently offlineGoldenshield From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 5970 posts, RR: 14
Reply 4, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 3405 times:

Going westbound, it's very easy to top off the tanks on the CRJ7 on that route -- especially if the closest alternate to SFO is SMF.

[Edited 2005-03-18 01:07:18]


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User currently offlineMDW22L31C From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 212 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 3374 times:

How about taking that RJ and placing it on SFO-ONT. To this day I have no clue why no airline would not fly this route.

User currently offlineGoldenshield From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 5970 posts, RR: 14
Reply 6, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 3367 times:

Quoting MDW22L31C (Reply 5):
How about taking that RJ and placing it on SFO-ONT. To this day I have no clue why no airline would not fly this route.

Now, that's what I'm talking about.  Smile Of course, I would still need to get to SFOBig grin



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User currently offlineJdaniel001 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 3336 times:

I wonder what the longest RJ route is?

User currently offlineCALMSP From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3924 posts, RR: 7
Reply 8, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 3320 times:
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User currently offlineUALramperORD From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 3311 times:

For once we are taking routes from UAX rather than giving them away. Good news though, I guess.

User currently offlineJdaniel001 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 3303 times:

Is the A319 timed to connect with the evening international departures?

User currently offlineGoldenshield From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 5970 posts, RR: 14
Reply 11, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 3193 times:

So I did some straight-line distances on my flight explorer, and have made the following observations:

Note: These are straight line distances only, and the actual route will be longer due to routing conditions.

SLC-MSP: 1000
SLC-LIT: 1156
SFO-AUS: 1560
IAH-BOI: 1490
ORD-YEG: 1400



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User currently offlineAS739X From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6091 posts, RR: 24
Reply 12, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 3079 times:

Its has nothing to do with range. The CR7 does it very well. The demand is there. The CR7 is being relocated to SAT to start SAT-SFO. So obviously its not a range decision. AUS to the Bay Area has done well. If I am correct AA still does 2 daily AUS-SJC. This is very good new for UA. I think this may be more to do with tech's in AUS connecting to Asia. The timing of the flight is a morning arrival to connect to the Asia bank of flights.

ASSFO



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User currently offlineGoldenshield From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 5970 posts, RR: 14
Reply 13, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 3044 times:

Quoting AS739X (Reply 12):
Its has nothing to do with range. The CR7 does it very well.

It is a fuel range problem. For example, AUS-SFO with an average 71 knot headwind:

Minimum FAR takeoff fuel is 15600, or burn plus reserve, with no alternate, or holding fuel. This is without the added safety of contingency fuel. Add SMF as an alternate, and you up the fuel by 1800 pounds. Add in contingency as a buffer against bad wind data or any unforeseen holding. I try to put in a minimum of 1500 pounds on the -700.

So add these up, and you get:

MINTO 15600
SMF 1800
CONT 1500
------------
RLSF 18,900 pounds.

This only leaves 500 pounds to play with.

What if the closest legal alternate is LAX or RNO? You'll top out the tanks, that's for sure, and possibility of burning into your reserve. Yes, you can use the reserve once in flight, but as far as planning purposes, you have little room to play with.



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User currently offlineAS739X From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6091 posts, RR: 24
Reply 14, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 2989 times:

I don't buy it. Actually closest alternate is OAK/SJC, which with a CR7 is a burn off what, 700lbs? That gives you more fuel to work with. I know your the professional being the dispatcher, but if the loads are that high and push range that it warrants going to mainline, then I take it the reason for change is load.
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AUS-SFO 1307nm
SAT-SFO 1288nm (new service starting up)
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So your saying that changing from a CR7 on a 1307nm flight pushes the range, but the new SAT serves shouldn't be a A319 or 735/3 though only 19nm closer?

ASSFO



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User currently offlineGoldenshield From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 5970 posts, RR: 14
Reply 15, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 2965 times:

Quoting AS739X (Reply 14):
So your saying that changing from a CR7 on a 1307nm flight pushes the range, but the new SAT serves shouldn't be a A319 or 735/3 though only 19nm closer?


Now you're putting words in my mouth. I never said that. You were talking about the CR7 in that post, and not the B737 or A319/20, so don't try to confuse everyone.

What I'm trying to point out is that this flight is pushing it's capabilities. Yes, I know that OAK and SJC are close alternates, but for planning purposes, the minimum alternate burn is much higher than what you put. If the bay area and central valley gets fogged in, then where am I going to put my plane down? I would need an airport that meets at least alternate minimums and is in my OpSpecs. The closest alternate that I could use for this aircraft could be as far as LAX or RNO. There is no way I could launch the flight without a fuel stop -- should I absolutely need one.

[Edited 2005-03-18 21:09:51]


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User currently offlineRampRat74 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1522 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 2954 times:

Good for us, and our customers. We shouldn't make them sit in a sardine can for 3 hours. We do need ONT-SFO flights.

User currently offlineUnitedTristar From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (9 years 4 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 2851 times:

Just stumbled across ORD ABQ also...it goes back to one mainline one express trip a day for the summer.

Great news for UA pax!

-m

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