UnitedTristar From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1241 posts, RR: 4 Posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 2432 times:
It looks like the recently (with in the last few years) launched SFO AUS is so popular that they are upgrading it to mainline! It looks to start some time in April!
Great News for UA!
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Goldenshield From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 5440 posts, RR: 12 Reply 2, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 2390 times:
Either that, or the fact that SFO-AUS pushes the range/time envelope of the CR7.
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Goldenshield From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 5440 posts, RR: 12 Reply 4, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 2357 times:
Going westbound, it's very easy to top off the tanks on the CRJ7 on that route -- especially if the closest alternate to SFO is SMF.
[Edited 2005-03-18 01:07:18]
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Goldenshield From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 5440 posts, RR: 12 Reply 6, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 2319 times:
Quoting MDW22L31C (Reply 5): How about taking that RJ and placing it on SFO-ONT. To this day I have no clue why no airline would not fly this route.
Now, that's what I'm talking about. Of course, I would still need to get to SFO.
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Goldenshield From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 5440 posts, RR: 12 Reply 11, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 2145 times:
So I did some straight-line distances on my flight explorer, and have made the following observations:
Note: These are straight line distances only, and the actual route will be longer due to routing conditions.
AS739X From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 5820 posts, RR: 23 Reply 12, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week ago) and read 2031 times:
Its has nothing to do with range. The CR7 does it very well. The demand is there. The CR7 is being relocated to SAT to start SAT-SFO. So obviously its not a range decision. AUS to the Bay Area has done well. If I am correct AA still does 2 daily AUS-SJC. This is very good new for UA. I think this may be more to do with tech's in AUS connecting to Asia. The timing of the flight is a morning arrival to connect to the Asia bank of flights.
ASSFO
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Goldenshield From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 5440 posts, RR: 12 Reply 13, posted (8 years 2 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 1996 times:
Quoting AS739X (Reply 12): Its has nothing to do with range. The CR7 does it very well.
It is a fuel range problem. For example, AUS-SFO with an average 71 knot headwind:
Minimum FAR takeoff fuel is 15600, or burn plus reserve, with no alternate, or holding fuel. This is without the added safety of contingency fuel. Add SMF as an alternate, and you up the fuel by 1800 pounds. Add in contingency as a buffer against bad wind data or any unforeseen holding. I try to put in a minimum of 1500 pounds on the -700.
What if the closest legal alternate is LAX or RNO? You'll top out the tanks, that's for sure, and possibility of burning into your reserve. Yes, you can use the reserve once in flight, but as far as planning purposes, you have little room to play with.
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AS739X From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 5820 posts, RR: 23 Reply 14, posted (8 years 2 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 1941 times:
I don't buy it. Actually closest alternate is OAK/SJC, which with a CR7 is a burn off what, 700lbs? That gives you more fuel to work with. I know your the professional being the dispatcher, but if the loads are that high and push range that it warrants going to mainline, then I take it the reason for change is load.
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AUS-SFO 1307nm
SAT-SFO 1288nm (new service starting up)
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So your saying that changing from a CR7 on a 1307nm flight pushes the range, but the new SAT serves shouldn't be a A319 or 735/3 though only 19nm closer?
ASSFO
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Goldenshield From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 5440 posts, RR: 12 Reply 15, posted (8 years 2 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 1917 times:
Quoting AS739X (Reply 14): So your saying that changing from a CR7 on a 1307nm flight pushes the range, but the new SAT serves shouldn't be a A319 or 735/3 though only 19nm closer?
Now you're putting words in my mouth. I never said that. You were talking about the CR7 in that post, and not the B737 or A319/20, so don't try to confuse everyone.
What I'm trying to point out is that this flight is pushing it's capabilities. Yes, I know that OAK and SJC are close alternates, but for planning purposes, the minimum alternate burn is much higher than what you put. If the bay area and central valley gets fogged in, then where am I going to put my plane down? I would need an airport that meets at least alternate minimums and is in my OpSpecs. The closest alternate that I could use for this aircraft could be as far as LAX or RNO. There is no way I could launch the flight without a fuel stop -- should I absolutely need one.
[Edited 2005-03-18 21:09:51]
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RampRat74 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1455 posts, RR: 2 Reply 16, posted (8 years 2 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 1906 times:
Good for us, and our customers. We shouldn't make them sit in a sardine can for 3 hours. We do need ONT-SFO flights.
UnitedTristar From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1241 posts, RR: 4 Reply 17, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 1803 times:
Just stumbled across ORD ABQ also...it goes back to one mainline one express trip a day for the summer.
Great news for UA pax!
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Of course, I would still need to get to SFO. 
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