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User currently offlineFirstclasser From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 116 posts, RR: 0
Posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 2191 times:

I know that 13R/31L is used for arrivals and departures. But I don't recall seeing departures from 13L/31R. Are there departures from that runway? What about 4L/22R? How often are the runways at JFK used?

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User currently offlineMark777300 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 388 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 2122 times:

well, I actually have taken off from runway 13L/ 31R in the past, but not lately. the probable reason for why R13L/ 31R is not used as much for take-offs is because of it's shorter length than R13R/ 31L and more likely for noise control since R13L/ 31R will take you over residential neighborhoods. (then again so does R 4L/22 R and R4R/ 22L). But on many occasions, I have seen aircrafts take -off from R13L while leaving JFk on the 150th Street exit. I saw B6, AA, BA, and even a Finnair MD-11 use this runway. I'm sure that if traffic allows it to, JFK probably likes to use specific runways for landings while others for take-offs. R-4R/ 22L is almost exclusively used for landing in both directions, primarily for it's short length. Look at MIA, most flights (when winds prevail from the east) use R9L/ 27R and R 12/ 30 for take-offs, while R 9R is used for landings save for a few freighter take-offs.

User currently offlineAAFLT1871 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2333 posts, RR: 10
Reply 2, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 2095 times:

Quoting Firstclasser (Thread starter):
But I don't recall seeing departures from 13L/31R

I am pretty sure that was the takeoff runway Concorde used. IIRC they had to bank to the left for noise abatement.



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User currently offlineAlitalia744 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 4750 posts, RR: 45
Reply 3, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2071 times:

Quoting AAFLT1871 (Reply 2):
Quoting Firstclasser (Thread starter):
But I don't recall seeing departures from 13L/31R

I am pretty sure that was the takeoff runway Concorde used. IIRC they had to bank to the left for noise abatement.

Concorde almost exclusively used 31L/13R for departures....usually 31L to be precise



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User currently offlineRjpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2068 times:


I am pretty sure that was the takeoff runway Concorde used.


Definitly not. Concorde most always used 31L/13R.

Aircraft do take off on 13L fairly frequently actually, especially with the JetBlue terminal being so close. It seems to me that B6 requests to takeoff from 13L whenever possible since it's the closest runway to taxi to.


User currently offlineAAFLT1871 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2333 posts, RR: 10
Reply 5, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2056 times:

Quoting Rjpieces (Reply 4):

I am pretty sure that was the takeoff runway Concorde used.

Definitly not. Concorde most always used 31L/13R.

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User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21642 posts, RR: 55
Reply 6, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 1991 times:

13L is used a lot for takeoffs by jetBlue and others who don't want to have the long taxi to 13R (13L is still 10,000ft or so, nothing to sneeze at), but rarely, if ever, is 31R used for takeoffs, due to noise issues.

Concorde used mostly 13R/31L, and 4L/22R when it was necessary.

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User currently offlineMikephotos From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 2923 posts, RR: 54
Reply 7, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 1905 times:

13L is used often in the summer. 31R rarely, mainly when 13R/31L is closed for snow removal or other factors. Here's a departure from 31R:


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I've seen (and shot) the Concorde departing 22R and 4L but as mentioned 31L was probably the most used.

4L if used often for departures, mainly mornings.

Mike


User currently offlineD950 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 493 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 1885 times:

31R takeoffs are rare also because of LGA patterns for 13/31 and the spacing issue.


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User currently offlinePhilSquares From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 1865 times:

IIRC 31R departures are restricted to turboprop only. I don't have the Jepp in front of me, but if I remember correctly there is a turn right after takeoff to prevent you from getting into LGA airspace. Non-turboprops might have a problem with the turn and cleaning up.

User currently offlineMikephotos From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 2923 posts, RR: 54
Reply 10, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 1805 times:

Quoting PhilSquares (Reply 9):
IIRC 31R departures are restricted to turboprop only. I don't have the Jepp in front of me, but if I remember correctly there is a turn right after takeoff to prevent you from getting into LGA airspace. Non-turboprops might have a problem with the turn and cleaning up.

I've seen all types including B747's depart from 31R when (rarely) it was in use for departures. They do make a quick turn left after takeoff. I have seen a few turboprops that do the quick right but never a heavy.

Mike


User currently offlineJetBlueAtJFK From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 1687 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 1715 times:

B6 uses 13L a lot for take offs and 31R a lot for landings and Delta uses 31L/13R because of their terminal's location. But on windy days you have to go were the ATC needs you to go, I have gone from B6's terminal and taxied down to 13R for take off b/c it was windy etc. 4L/22R is used to for all different types of equiptment. The only runways that aren't used a lot are take offs on 31R and 4R/22L (but it is used more than 31R take offs).

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User currently offlineDalfannyc From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 88 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1588 times:

How could 31R take offs effect LGA patterns much more than 31L take offs??? They're not that far apart...a mile at the MOST I would think???

User currently offlinePhilSquares From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1574 times:

Quoting Mikephotos (Reply 10):
I've seen all types including B747's depart from 31R when (rarely) it was in use for departures. They do make a quick turn left after takeoff. I have seen a few turboprops that do the quick right but never a heavy.

Mike

Hate to burst your bubble, but when all runways are operational, there is a 31R departure restriction of turboprop only. Please see http://www.nyartcc.org/atc/facility/Airports/KJFK.htm.

If you note, the only departure from 31R is the Idlewild Climb, restricted to prop only. Granted, under special circumstances, there will be jet departures off 31R. However, that is only on rare occasions and not a normal procedure at KJKF.


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