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THY New US Routes?  
User currently offlineGokmengs From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1123 posts, RR: 2
Posted (9 years 6 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 4356 times:

I' ve heard that Turkish Airlines is going to add new routes to US from IST. They do JFK and ORD daily now and MIA seasonally, I know they want add LAX to their destinations. The fact that they are getting the A330-200's this summer and sending the A342's for interior modernization, would they be able to serve IST-LAX non stop with their 332's? Does A332 have that kind of range?


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User currently offlineLeskova From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 6075 posts, RR: 70
Reply 1, posted (9 years 6 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 4294 times:

IST-LAX is 5971nm, the A330-200s max range (according to www.airbus.com) is 6750nm - so it should not be impossible.

As for the A340s - TK has A340-300s and not -200s...

Regards,
Frank



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User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25392 posts, RR: 49
Reply 2, posted (9 years 6 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 4171 times:

Look for IAD in 2006. LAX possibly in 06, but more likely in 2007.


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User currently offlineBehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4784 posts, RR: 43
Reply 3, posted (9 years 6 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 4123 times:

TK has confirmed to many prominent magazines and newspapers that once more A 332s are delivered which will free up 2-3 A 343s, then they will use those A 343s to fly 3 weekly each IST-IAD and IST-YYZ routes.

LAX I dont think so is feasible with A 343 nor A 332. A 343 could do it but with HEAVY PAYLOAD RESTRICTIONS thus making the route unviable to look into.


User currently offlineGokmengs From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1123 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (9 years 6 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 4093 times:

Quoting Behramjee (Reply 3):
LAX I don't think so is feasible with A 343 nor A 332. A 343 could do it but with HEAVY PAYLOAD RESTRICTIONS thus making the route unviable to look into.

After the success of their codeshare with AA especially to LAX, it sounded like they were eager to try that route.(LAX area has second biggest Turkish population after the NY area)
And he says its possible???

Quoting Leskova (Reply 1):
IST-LAX is 5971nm, the A330-200s max range (according to www.airbus.com) is 6750nm - so it should not be impossible.

If that's the case maybe they should add A345 or A346 to their fleet Smile I know that airline I wouldn't rule it out.



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User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25392 posts, RR: 49
Reply 5, posted (9 years 6 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 4063 times:

Quoting Behramjee (Reply 3):
TK has confirmed to many prominent magazines and newspapers that once more A 332s are delivered which will free up 2-3 A 343s, then they will use those A 343s to fly 3 weekly each IST-IAD and IST-YYZ routes.

LAX I dont think so is feasible with A 343 nor A 332. A 343 could do it but with HEAVY PAYLOAD RESTRICTIONS thus making the route unviable to look into.

At the moment the only route that is nearly certain is IST-IAD for Spring 2006.

Toronto service is on hold pending negotiations with Canada. It was actually hoped to be able start YYZ services in 2005, however due to several bilateral issues including objections by Air Canada, THY has yet to receive a green light. Turkey was offered authority to Montreal, however this is not a route the company feels can be economically justified.

In regards to LAX, TK indeed has no aircraft available that can operate nonstop from IST with a full economic payload. There really is nothing on the horizon for nonstop service unless THY would invest in the A350 or B787, which happen to be both under current review.
Thus current options to launch LAX center around a stop either in Europe as the airline has 5th freedom rights via both Belgium and Holland, or as a tag onto another North American destination. There is a possibility this happening in 2006, however 2007 might be more realistic.

THY is an enviable position as it simply has too much traffic and opportunities with not enough aircraft. There are multiple different route project being worked on, however only a handful can come true due to a lack of aircraft.



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User currently offlineFLYYUL From Italy, joined Jun 2000, 4980 posts, RR: 51
Reply 6, posted (9 years 6 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 4033 times:

Dear LAXINTL,

Im really interested in your sources.

According to several sources in Montreal, Turkish is looking to fly Montreal-Istanbul, and Toronto-Istanbul, given the significant demand for the middle east from both of these destinations.

And there are have been several mentions of this in Canadian tourism journals.

Ive asked you before for your sources, im interested in hearing them.


User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25392 posts, RR: 49
Reply 7, posted (9 years 6 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 4017 times:

Quoting FLYYUL (Reply 6):
Ive asked you before for your sources, im interested in hearing them.

Sr VP's and North America managment.



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User currently offlineFLYYUL From Italy, joined Jun 2000, 4980 posts, RR: 51
Reply 8, posted (9 years 6 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 4000 times:

Fair enough.

*filler*

[Edited 2005-03-20 00:38:36]

User currently offlineGokmengs From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1123 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (9 years 6 months 6 days ago) and read 3937 times:

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 5):
In regards to LAX, TK indeed has no aircraft available that can operate nonstop from IST with a full economic payload. There really is nothing on the horizon for nonstop service unless THY would invest in the A350 or B787, which happen to be both under current review

Why rule out A345 or 346 you don't see that happening? They already have a strong Airbus Fleet.
Much respect to you by the way Laxintl I become a member short time ago but I had accurate and logical reponses from you all the time. its nice to be an insider I guess Smile



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User currently offlineBehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4784 posts, RR: 43
Reply 10, posted (9 years 6 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 3850 times:

Even if TK isnt permitted YYZ and gets YUL...it still can make a lot of money and get v high loads on IST-YUL nonstop service with an A 343 or A 332.

Just look at ISTs geographical location as a hub for connecting North African and Middle Eastern flights to key Canadian immigrant cities such as DAM-BEY-THR-DXB-AMM etc etc.

AC, yes is indeed scared that if TK get both YYZ and YUL 3 weekly A 343 nonstop flying rights, it could possibly impact their market share on these key Arab routes which they serve via FRA on LH and via LHR through interlining.


User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25392 posts, RR: 49
Reply 11, posted (9 years 6 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 3810 times:

Quoting Gokmengs (Reply 9):
Why rule out A345 or 346 you don't see that happening? They already have a strong Airbus Fleet.

The A345 could likely do nonstop IST-LAX full (part of the issue is the 9,800ft runways at IST), however for whatever reason THY seems not to be particularly impressed with the aircraft, and instead are evaluating the next generation aircraft in particular the 787 and to a lesser extent the proposed A350.



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User currently offlineGokmengs From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1123 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (9 years 6 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 3725 times:

Quoting Behramjee (Reply 10):
Just look at ISTs geographical location as a hub for connecting North African and Middle Eastern flights to key Canadian immigrant cities such as DAM-BEY-THR-DXB-AMM etc etc.

Great point and with the new management and the privatization coming up(THY is 90+%percent state owned) airline is in expansion mode, they believe they can challenge EK on the Middle East and Africa routes. They just purchased new planes from Airbus and Boeing and the deliveries are starting soon. I've flown JFK-IST with THY and I was impressed with the service, but they still need to improve IFE and F/A service. It would be nice to see them in more North American airports.



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User currently offlineGokmengs From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1123 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (9 years 6 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 3589 times:

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 11):
The A345 could likely do nonstop IST-LAX full (part of the issue is the 9,800ft runways at IST), however for whatever reason THY seems not to be particularly impressed with the aircraft, and instead are evaluating the next generation aircraft in particular the 787 and to a lesser extent the proposed A350.

Laxintl after our discussion I was just browsing airline magazines online and this is what I found on ATW. I provided the link on the bottom too its a nice article with a lot of insight(the most of I'm sure you already know)


THY currently serves 25 domestic and 75 international scheduled destinations. Expansion of the route network to 20 new international points is under study as part of plans with the ordered aircraft. Among them are Melbourne, Toronto, Washington and Los Angeles. Also on tap are more frequencies for current services.

Here is the link to the article: http://www.atwonline.com/magazine/article.html?articleID=1035
Also I forgot to mention that the new runway on IST is about to be complete and much longer than 9800ft. Sorry I don't know the exact lenght.



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User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9821 posts, RR: 11
Reply 14, posted (9 years 6 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 3534 times:

Nice article about THY Gokmengs. I can't wait to see the first A330-200 in THY colours Big grin When is the first A330-200 scheduled to be delivered to THY? Is it August of this year?

A388


User currently offlineGokmengs From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1123 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (9 years 6 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 3505 times:

Quoting A388 (Reply 14):
When is the first A330-200 scheduled to be delivered to THY? Is it August of this year?

Yes August delivery and in service at the end of the month. I don't know if its true but I heard rumors of new C/S as THY is changing its fleet and image and getting ready to compete with EK. I would love to see a new TK C/S although I like the current one.
Did you read the part about THY joining an alliance also, I wonder which one would that be(I'll keep my fingers crossed for SkyTeam Smile Anybody have speculations about that?



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User currently offlineRobcol99 From Turkey, joined Jun 2004, 294 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (9 years 6 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 3504 times:

Hey all,

IST new runway will be exactly the same length as the older parallel 18-36.

Exactly 3000m.

Runway is finished. Electronic systems are being installed. Should be ready by the end of the month.

IFE and seats will be renewed on A340s starting in October, as the A330s arrive. (2 out of 5 A330s to be delivered in October)

I ve actually seen the seat prototypes, those screens on C-class are huge!

Here s a brief plan for THY long haul: (this is at the moment, could be revised at any time)

Start IAD
Start YYZ- pending approval
Turn BKK-SIN and BKK-HKG flights to direct flights
Fly daily PEK-PVG.
Second flight to JFK, make ORD daily
Back to Johannesburg
Back to Osaka

This summer, THY is starting service to Oslo, Casablanca, London Stansted, and Lisbon.

Frequencies increased to Paris, Amsterdam, Dusseldorf, Stuttgart, Hamburg, Hannover, Nurnberg, Milan, Madrid, Athens, and numerous domestic destinations.

Fleet in summer 05: 7 A340s, 5 A310s, 12 A320s, 7 A321s, 26 B 738, 17 B 734, 6 RJ100

(Several more A320s could be leased.)


User currently offlinePilotaydin From Turkey, joined Sep 2004, 2539 posts, RR: 51
Reply 17, posted (9 years 6 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 3482 times:

TK is looking into the A350/787 within the next 10 years  Wink

shhhh! dont get me in trouble...just messing...

toronto is looking good from what i hear, just waiting for the 330s to arrive. In the meantime, we are increasing frequencies on prominant routes, and starting Cassablanca  Smile



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User currently offlineEmrecan From Turkey, joined Feb 2000, 940 posts, RR: 7
Reply 18, posted (9 years 6 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 3434 times:

pilotaydin:

please tell them to buy 747  Smile

when they can realize that a 747 is a must for Turkish Airlines????


User currently offlineGokmengs From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1123 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (9 years 6 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 3418 times:

Quoting Emrecan (Reply 18):
please tell them to buy 747

when they can realize that a 747 is a must for Turkish Airlines????

why would you want the 747 its old, I wanted that plane for THY before too, but that was years ago, when they bought the 343's. I don't think its a good time to buy the 747 now. A380 on the other hand, only a couple of them, would be grand indeed Smile

Quoting Robcol99 (Reply 16):
IFE and seats will be renewed on A340s starting in October, as the A330s arrive. (2 out of 5 A330s to be delivered in October)

I ve actually seen the seat prototypes, those screens on C-class are huge!

Are you sure for the A330 delivery date? I read somewhere that it was going to be on August(I think you know better than me believe me)

Also this question is to all the Turkish posters in this thread. Does anyone heard anything about a new C/S for THY? I think they need it and they should do a competition about it and let the public choose from few options.



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User currently offlineBehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4784 posts, RR: 43
Reply 20, posted (9 years 6 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 3406 times:

Quoting Pilotaydin (Reply 17):
toronto is looking good from what i hear, just waiting for the 330s to arrive. In the meantime, we are increasing frequencies on prominant routes, and starting Cassablanca

Could you please tell me the current weekly frequencies of your ORD flights as well as how they perform yield and loads wise year round and the same for JFK...thank you  Smile

I read that PIA and TK have entered into a codesharing agreement with TK too being allowed to fly now 4 weekly B 738s into KHI instead of 2 weekly and TK will codeshare on PIAs planned ISB-AUH-IST A 310 3 times a week service. PIA intends on codesharing on a few of TKs EU routes which PIA doesnt serve and serves only once a week such as AMS and CPH. Any further updates on this development???

Its a shame that politics within the EU has forced TK to maintain a large B 737NG and A 320 family fleet of aircraft.


User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9821 posts, RR: 11
Reply 21, posted (9 years 6 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 3390 times:

WOW, THY getting a new livery, that would be nice, although I also really like THY's current livery. It's very recognizable. If THY will change their livery, I hope it's not a dramatic change, but more in the lines of a small/modest change. They shouldn't touch the current livery too much if they want to change it. The red and white is perfect as it really emphasizes the turkish national flag. I went to Turkey on vacation two years ago and wow, what a great country it is, big and very beautiful landscapes. For example, I went to the Pamukalle, which is a very nice place.

Dünyanin engüzel yerlerinden birigi Pamukalle (=Pamukalle, one of the world's most beautiful places). That's one of the few sentences I learnt in Turkey  Smile

Really recommended!!! Big grin

Gokmengs, I read the part of THY joining an alliance. That would be great for THY to attract more customers to and through Turkey, either as final destination or as transfer country/city. I agree with the article in that Turkey has an ideal geographical location right between Europe and Asia. Turkey was known in the past to be a very important connecting point between Europe and Asia for trade and business. If Turkey and THY invest and have a good and solid business plan, they can be a formidable competitor in the region and may even become a powerhouse in that region because of its size. Turkey is a big country with a lot of potential that still needs to be discovered in my opinion. Good luck to Turkey and THY!!! Big grin

A388


User currently offlineCarpethead From Japan, joined Aug 2004, 2954 posts, RR: 3
Reply 22, posted (9 years 6 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 3383 times:

If IST to LAX is anything short of 6,000 miles, an A343 would have no problem handling that distance without any payload restrictions. Besides the route would go straight north avoiding much of the strong headwinds.

A332 with max payload range is not anything close to 6750nm. This is with a significant reduction in payload.

It's always nice to hear TK is upgrading their product. Their A343 are very worn out. Considering all their expansion plans is there plans for adding more A343 or A332? All those US destination plus increased flying to Asia/Melbourne can't be done by just 5 more A332s. Are they keeping their A310 in the meantime too?


User currently offlineGokmengs From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1123 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (9 years 6 months 3 days ago) and read 3335 times:

Quoting A388 (Reply 21):
Gokmengs, I read the part of THY joining an alliance. That would be great for THY to attract more customers to and through Turkey, either as final destination or as transfer country/city. I agree with the article in that Turkey has an ideal geographical location right between Europe and Asia.

Lovely comments on Turkey man. I am Turkish to but because of my business I live at least half the year in US, and my business takes me to a lot of places especially recently so it works out for an aviation lover for me. Indeed Pamukkale is an amazing place Smile As far as THY goes I think they have an image problem just like the country itself,but its nothing uncurable. Having said that they do need improvements in IFE and Service. But with the new managament and the privatization coming up THY will have loads of cash, and the strategy is to bridge asia and europe and they will use that cash believe me. As far as the alliance goes I expect them to join one before or during 2006. It'll be suprising too see which one.

Quoting Carpethead (Reply 22):
It's always nice to hear TK is upgrading their product. Their A343 are very worn out. Considering all their expansion plans is there plans for adding more A343 or A332? All those US destination plus increased flying to Asia/Melbourne can't be done by just 5 more A332s. Are they keeping their A310 in the meantime too?

They are going to keep the 310's for a short amount of time and convert them to freighters, I don't know what the ratio will be on pax freighter though Robcol99 could clear that out for us. As far as the capacity goes like I mentioned before after the privatization THY will have a lot of cash(they are profitable already) and they will put that to use believe me.



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User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9821 posts, RR: 11
Reply 24, posted (9 years 6 months 3 days ago) and read 3319 times:

Merhaba Gokmengs,

Turkey is a nice country indeed, I agree on that with you Gokmengs. I can also agree that the IFE may be outdated. I've never flown THY but looking at their A343 they indeed look worn out and are getting old. I once asked if THY would be looking at the A343E that SAA now operates, the improved version. That "new" model may be interesting for THY as they already operate the type, no new certifications needed for that. I now also have small films of THY 738 and A343 arriving/departing from IST, I downloaded them from the flight350 website, awesome website by the way Big grin The website is like the airliners.net of aviation movies, lots and lots of it on that website Big grin

Do you have insight information on THY rumoured new livery? I would really like to know if it's true. Even in the current livery, the A332 will look very nice in THY colours. I went to the Caribbean in 2000 via Miami just so I could see the A343 of THY there. I did a research of THY flights to Miami and later booked my flight in such a way so I could see THY A343, because I've never seen it before. The last time I've seen THY A343 was in february of this year in AMS. I was sitting in our office at Schiphol and all of a sudden the THY A343 took off in front of me. Was I mad at myself for not having my camera with me at that time. Hopefully THY will send their A343 during this year's summer, as they often do because of the peak summer season, many turkish people as well as dutch tourists go to Turkey for family reunions and/or vacation  Smile

A388


25 Laxintl : New runway 36L/18R will be just same lenght as the current 36/18. Standby and see. THY will be rolling out several customer service, product enhancem
26 Post contains images Gokmengs : Laxintl seems like you have the insider info but you don't want to share the goods or give a hint as to whats in store for THY They have been with AA
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