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New Jet Liners Coming To Phoenix Outlying Fields.  
User currently offlineNsfguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2842 times:

The Old abandoned Memorial Field near Chandler, AZ is getting rebuilt and ready for Casino flights run by the Gila River Indian Tribe. I understand from the Arizona Republic that charter operators will run 737's with guests that will visit the soon to be relocated "Rawhide" as well as the big new Sheraton Wild Horse Pass golf resort and Casino located just three miles from the field. Right now this tri angle shaped field stores some relics from the 40's and 50's, and some C-130 fire fighters. Indians also say they want the field to handle cargo overflow jets from PHX. The field is right next to I-10. Williams Gateway (former Williams AFB) is seeing hooters jets and all kinds of casino flights, Singapore is looking for a possible slot there, and everyone agrees that would be a VERY smart move if they got it.

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User currently offline1MillionFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2816 times:

Quoting Nsfguy (Thread starter):
, Singapore is looking for a possible slot there, and everyone agrees that would be a VERY smart move if they got it.

huh? explain why they would do that?


User currently offlineNsfguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2784 times:

Williams is a massive former AFB field with a just completed PAX terminal, even a customs area that just has to be staffed. The explosive growth of the east valley, along with the fact PHX Sky harbor is packed to the gills, and truly a nightmare to get to and maneuver in, makes an expansion slot like this ideal. No non stop service from PHX to Asia at all.... nada! And with 2.000.000 and growing faster than any metro area in the USA now, it all fits. 67% of all pax leaving from PHX are from the east valley cities (Tempe, Mesa, Chandler, and Scottsdale.) The rapid shift to the east valley, along with a giant but empty fully equipped airport just looking for some action, makes this a great opportunity for a progressive A/L like SIN.

User currently offlineAlphascan From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 937 posts, RR: 13
Reply 3, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2757 times:

The idea that Singapore would fly to Williams as opposed to Sky Harbor is crazy.


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User currently offline1MillionFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 2634 times:

HP tried PHX-NGO in the early 90's with 747-200's (2 of them in total) there were times during gulf war one that they had less than 10 pax.

LAX and SFO are too close and have massive Asain service. PHX is a small market for O&D and the feed into that airport is not nearly as strong as LAX and SFO.

I am sure if there was justifaction Singapore would have already been serving PHX and in terms of gambling...LAS is just 40 minutes flying time away also,

great info about Williams though.


User currently offlineCactus739 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2448 posts, RR: 31
Reply 5, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2597 times:

Quoting Nsfguy (Thread starter):
Singapore is looking for a possible slot there

Please share with us where you got that insane idea. *IF* they ever came to Phoenix, they would choose Sky Harbor. Why? Connections. If they fly into Williams, the pax have nowhere to gut but the East Valley cities. There's no connecting flights. Welcome to Mesa. If they did go to Sky Harbor... you can bet they'd ink some sort of deal with HP to codeshare to some midwest cities (just a thought).

Quoting Nsfguy (Reply 2):
No non stop service from PHX to Asia at all

Do we really need a nonstop flight to Asia? Is there enough traffic between PHX and Asia? Geographically Phoenix is just not a good place for flights to Asia. With the many many flights a day from LA, SFO, SEA to Asia, I really don't forsee anyone adding flights here. If anything, Vegas would start to get more Asia before we do.



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User currently offlineNsfguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2574 times:

My info comes directly from the local news. Any A/L that would take some of the pressure off the PHX hassle would be very successful indeed. A service from Williams to LAX would stay packed as at least this would allow hundreds of thousands of east valley residents to get a jumping off point for Asia without the misery of Sky harbor and America West. It's just a matter of time before Williams becomes the equivalent of Midway as appeased to O'Hare, PHX is exploding at the seems, and most of that is in the east valley. Only make sense to press this giant back into service. Several new hotels now coming up close to the field, and the Golf course is just done with a total make over. This will be a very stressless place in the future to travel. If not SIN now it will be a major international soon.

User currently offlineNsfguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2560 times:

As the Husband of a Chinese Lady (former NRT based NWA f/a) I can assure you the valley has an astonishing rate of traffic to Asia! The local Asian papers are always announcing group trips, her friends, and members of the Arizona Asian community are in excess of 200.000 here, and these people are always on the move back and forth to Asia, as I write this my wife is in Manila and will depart for KIX in a few days on business (Intel) and the thousands of retired folks here that travel also make up a big chunk of the regular population that day in and day out have to get to the west coast ( LAX SFO PDX SAN SEA ETC) then wilt several more hours away before getting on a plane going to Asia. PHX is nothing like it was just 5 years ago! America West was a total failure with this service in very old tired 742's that were always hours late, if the flight make it at all. Then you ended up in the Mississippi of Japan! Williams is just about to join in to make flying fun again, and not the refugee experience we now have to suffer in PHX, like I said, and the Arizona Republic SO states, It's just a matter of time.. And I for one can't wait!

User currently offlineBobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6493 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2541 times:

What was your local news source? If it was the Arizona Republican, what date? Do you really think that there is enough business out of Phoenix to justify a non-stop to Asia? If any airline agreed with you, they would be doing it! No airport in the Phoenix area is slot controlled, so any airline could fly there tomorrow if they wanted. They would not have to go looking for a slot!!

User currently offlineNsfguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2510 times:

Yes, The article refers to a planned Cargo operation by SIN. The article went on to say the need for a non stop to Asia was needed to boost the economic strength of greater Phoenix. It's so screwed up now that you can not take NWA (gold elite member) unless you want to fly the hell back to Detroit, then start from there. You must suffer the hands of AWA and hope you are lucky enough to make NWA #1 on time. Or SWA and lug your own bags around... or UAL but on a separate tkt unless you fly UAL and I don't. But anyway, please go to www.azcentral.com and look up the article.

User currently offlineCactus739 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2448 posts, RR: 31
Reply 10, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2482 times:

Quoting Nsfguy (Reply 9):
. It's so screwed up now that you can not take NWA (gold elite member) unless you want to fly the hell back to Detroit

Simple search on NWA.com says differently...

NW 4804 PHX-LAX (operated by America West)
NW 1 LAX-NRT

NW 4883 PHX-SFO (operated by America West)
NW 27 SFO-NRT

and then coming back....

NW 8 NRT-SEA
NW 4118 SEA-PHX (Operated by Alaska)

NW 2 NRT-LAX
NW 4839 LAX-PHX (operated by Alaska)

You'd get miles on all those flights, and don't even have to go to Detroit.

Also... I searched AZcentral for that article you mentioned but can't find it. Help a fellow Phoenician out?



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User currently offlinePlanespotting From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3529 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2465 times:

He's right about the eastern cities. My buddy goes to ASU and his parents built him a house in Queek Creek (sweet deal huh). But look a bit deeper and you'll find that it's an even sweeter deal for them, they built the house in early 2003. When they first built the house there was nothing out there. Not even a grocery store, only a few gas stations. Now, theres a brand new walgreens about 5 mins from his house and another one in the works (As an employee of walgreens, if you see a new walgreens and another one being built, theres around 20-30,0000 people that they feel are underserved in the drug store market). So, when he graduates from ASU in the fall and moves back to the midwest, they will be able to sell that house for probably 1.5-2x what they paid to have it built (realtor estimations as of now, they could go up). Thats how fast that area is growing. And let me tell you it is a damn long ride into PHX from out there, williams gateway is a 15 minute drive as opposed to 1:30 in traffic.


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User currently offlineNsfguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2468 times:

Operated by AMERICA WEST! Oh Seeet Jesus.... how we hate that airline. Buy a NWA tkt to Asia, you will be forced onto an AWA plane. Sometimes if you want to go out from SEA or PDX you can get Alaska but who wants to go that route. If NWA would try a Phx-Nrt in the high season for starters you would see what happens, Sorry I can't get my hands on the article, My wife and I were both together when it was ether on the local news, or the paper, she just about flipped! Try calling the Gateway public info line and get the story, honest to God, it's real. I will keep trying and perhaps I will try an email to SIN website. Great news about the field in Sun Lakes huh? this is a big old unused place that will soon have loads of Casino-Firebird Lake-Rawhide tours coming. Plus one A/P guy I know says some of the short time heavies now at Marina will be looking to move over to that place as the Indians are making some sweet deals for storage.

User currently offlineNsfguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2437 times:

I bought my home 20 min from Williams Gateway in July 2003 for $480.000 it's now worth in excess of $800.000 in less than two years. the waiting list to buy a NEW home here in the east valley is in excess of one year! You have to enter a lotto, get your name chosen *camp out over night* expect to at least start in the mid 330 range for a starter home, and have CASH or rock solid commitment papers in your hand. It's nuts! The east valley is rolling out like a carpet that never ends, and Williams is the answer for the "New Phoenix" as this place is called. People don't even use realtors here now, the ratio is 12 buyers for every one home on the market in the east valley. The freeways are packed into PHX and with this open and spacious airport right here in our center makes for wonderful relief when we start getting the shift that is sure to come.

User currently offlineFlyboy7974 From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 1540 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 2250 times:

williams airport is already being used for allegiant air charters to laughlin. they come in about twice a month

User currently offlineSHUPirate1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3670 posts, RR: 16
Reply 15, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 2246 times:

Wouldn't Williams Gateway at least need some sort of ILS approach if they ever want to receive any sort of passenger service?


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User currently offlineNsfguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 2117 times:

Willie is undergoing the final phase of several million sweet tax dollars to remake the ILS and other systems ready for the future. This morning a 747-400 in of all things, an Air India livery (must be a local storage A/C from Goodyear or marina) and an air national guard KC-135 tanker were doing touch and goes. Great news about the charters coming in and out, I'll sure take that trip if I can find out how, I live just behind the field and don't have a damn thing to do. Boeing has a repair hanger on the flight line for small fighters and those are always streaking overhead.

User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13645 posts, RR: 62
Reply 17, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 2085 times:
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the fact PHX Sky harbor is packed to the gills, and truly a nightmare to get to and maneuver in

People should exercise restraint and NOT post things while intoxicated or under the influence of narcotics...  sarcastic 

Where did you get the idea that PHX Sky Harbor is a nightmare to get to and maneuver in? Have you ever lived, oh I don't know - ANYWHERE other than the Phoenix area before arriving at this stunningly bizarre conclusion?



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User currently offlinePHXinterrupted From United States of America, joined Apr 2002, 474 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 2078 times:

Quoting Nsfguy (Reply 2):
And with 2.000.000 and growing faster than any metro area in the USA now, it all fits.

The Phoenix-Mesa MSA is estimated at 3.7 million.

US Census Bureau



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User currently offlineWA727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 174 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 2081 times:

Right on for any Asian carriers, pax or cargo, and into PHX or Williams. I know the aviation folks have been trying for years, but no commitments. I remember the newspaper announcing PHX-London flights were a year or two away in 1988. BA didn't start service (DC-10 to LGW) until 1996. Japan, Korean, China, Singapore...we're waiting !


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