Argentina From Argentina, joined Aug 2000, 374 posts, RR: 11 Posted (10 years 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 5651 times:
According to Argentinian newspapers today, China Southern executives are in Argentina discussing with local authorities the bilateral agreement between Argentina and China. The executives expressed the interest of China Southern to fly to Argentina soon.
Ktachiya From Japan, joined Sep 2004, 1838 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (10 years 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 5592 times:
Yes, I was wondering the same thing as EddieDude.
If they get the 5th freedom rights, then they should look at some destination with a large Chinese population (living there) shouldn't they? I don't know if they are thinking about the states but I know that there are many travelers who avoid it because it means stopping over in the states. (Some security issue discussed in Japan often).
Ktachiya From Japan, joined Sep 2004, 1838 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (10 years 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 5523 times:
Yes, on the other hand, SYD or BNE can be good places to stop-over.
I forgot the site of the Great Circle Mapper so I can't do that search right now.... But Australia is so far from anywhere. I know that the earth is round and everything but HKG-SYD takes just about the same time as KIX-SYD which just suprised me when I flew on these routes a few years ago.
6thfreedom From Bermuda, joined Sep 2004, 3344 posts, RR: 20
Reply 11, posted (10 years 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 5079 times:
The other point we all need to consider is that an airlines route is most often dictated by uplift rights at the intermediate point, potential 6th freedom traffic, as well as further bilateral considerations. The shortest route is not necessarily the best option, ie saving 1.5-2 hours in flight time is no big deal when looking at the bigger picture.
KEno - good point re: CZ/MH, especially given there move towards SkyTeam. This option would also give CZ an entry to Africa, as well as South AMERICA.
Airbus Lover From Malaysia, joined Apr 2000, 3248 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (10 years 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 5063 times:
Going via YVR wouldn't be a bad idea because they already have plans to fly to YVR nonstop from CAN and YVR-EZE, or any Latin America destination for that matter, is a rather sizeable market that has yet been exploited. They will have market catchment beyond EZE not only into YVR, but North America, and I think most importantly to Asia. All these subject to 5th freedom rights which IMHO will definitely be a success if properly done.
AR1300 From Argentina, joined Feb 2005, 1745 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (10 years 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 4972 times:
Quoting Yyz717 (Reply 13): I'm surprised there is a market need for China-Argentina service. Does Argentina have a Chinese communiuty (I didn't think so). What is the business basis for this proposed route?
you gotta be kidding.We have more chinese here than in china itself....plus all this chinese bussines that has been going around for a while.We are in the China Boom.Everything is ''China''.They buy soy beans n' stuff from us. We are the first in the world in that.Just like in fútbol, simply the best....regardless what anybody else says...
Yu138086 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (10 years 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 4908 times:
China has recently decided to invest heavily in Argentina's deteriorating infrastrucure. With the large Chinese demand for Southern Cone agriculture, any direct air link between the countries can only help. These are the main reasons for wanting to open such routes. On the grand sceme of things the trade flow wont be as large as between North America or Europe per se but it will help Argentina nonetheless.
according to this, there are only 30,000 chinese in argentina.
when i was in peru recently i saw an air china B744 at Lima airport.
I would think that a PVG-LIM service would commence prior to CAN-EZE...
FYI - the breakdown for chinese in the america's is....
Antilles (Dutch) 700
Aruba (Dutch) 600
Bahamas (Dutch) 200
Costa Rica 63,000
Curacao (Dutch) 600
Dominican Republic 15,000
El Salvador 1,500
Guiana (France) 600
Trinidad and Tobago 20,000
United States 2,000,000
Marambio From UK - Scotland, joined Oct 2004, 1169 posts, RR: 25
Reply 21, posted (10 years 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 4899 times:
Argentina certainly has a respectable Chinese community, but this one does not really deserve a direct aircraft service to China.
The Chinese community in Argentina owns small shops and supermarkets, and belong to the lower middle class, i.e. they mainly travel to see their relatives back home. Also the majority of them come from Taiwan.
There are no big Chinese investments in Argentina besides YCF (Yacimientos Carboníferos Fiscales), the former state-owned, coal-extracting company based at the lost town of Río Turbio, Santa Cruz, in deep Patagonia.
Argentina in general and Buenos Aires in particular enjoy acceptable connections to the Far East through Kuala Lumpur with Malaysia Airlines, and to Japan with Varig via Sao Paulo. Our very own Aerolíneas Argentinas flies to Australia and New Zealand, from where one can catch good flights to Asia.
This said, I strongly believe that should this CZ flight ever materialize, it would have lots to do with the current relationships between both countries. Argentina is one of the world's biggest soja producers, and China desperately needs to buy that soja to feed its one billion citizens' stomachs.
Both Aerolíneas Argentinas and state-owned Líneas Aéreas del Estado (Lade) got rights for flying to Beijing and Shanghai, the latter being only allowed to transport freight on its 707s. There have been rumours about Air Plus Comet starting operations in China, and codesharing with AR on that flight. Let's remember both Air Plus Comet and Aerolíneas are (so far) owned by the Spanish group Marsans.
Flying via Johannesburg wouldn't make any sense. The market is very small and Malaysia already has the rights from both Jo'burg and Cape Town to Buenos Aires. Also South African Airways flies to Sao Paulo with its state-of-the-art A340-600, and passengers can fly to from Guarulhos to Buenos Aires with codeshare partner Varig.
The European route might be interesting, should they pick an unserved city from both countries. Milan for instance comes to my mind, especially with the very srong ties that link Argentina and Italy. Alitalia flies MXP-EZE four times weekly, which means they could try their luck on the three other vacant days.
I remain very skeptical about Australia. Like South Africa, the market is very well served by Aerolíneas from Buenos Aires and by LAN from Santiago de Chile. Both airlines offer a plethora of connections from their hubs, mainly regional but also to the USA and Europe.
Nonetheless, since the whole idea of flying from China to Argentina is completely crazy, no route for this flight would surprise me.
[Edited 2005-03-21 03:08:43]
Aerolíneas Argentinas - La Argentina que levanta vuelo
PPVRA From Brazil, joined Nov 2004, 9016 posts, RR: 38
Reply 24, posted (10 years 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 4817 times:
Quoting Incitatus (Reply 23): With the economy growing in Brazil, Varig is making a big mistake by keeping the frequency to Japan at less than daily.
Also, KE is currently looking for a someone to represent them in S. Paulo, so hopefully they will resume operations down here soon. Or better yet, we could fly there, but you know how that goes with the current situation...