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Do Any Airlines Still Serve LAF?  
User currently offline7E72004 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3587 posts, RR: 2
Posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 4480 times:

Hello again  Smile I was wondering if any airlines still serve LAF (in Indiana)? The last i heard NW had flights to DET and i think AA had flights to STL...does anyone have any information? thanks and cheers  Big grin


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User currently offlineFlyingTexan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 4464 times:

I'm not seeing any commerical service to Lafayette (IN) / Purdue Univ in my booking engines. I know LAF was served before.

JR


User currently offlineIndy From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 4568 posts, RR: 18
Reply 2, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 4454 times:

There isn't a single commercial flight to LAF and hasn't been for over a year. And according to a story that was published recently on the subject it is feared that there won't be for a number of years. I honestly doubt LAF will ever have regular commercial service ever again. You may get charter service or perhaps prop service from a small airline but nothing serious. Lafayette just isn't big enough for regular jet service and it is far to close to IND.


Indy = Indianapolis and not Independence Air
User currently offlineRedngold From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 6907 posts, RR: 44
Reply 3, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 4385 times:

BTW, last service LAF saw was on American Eagle, I believe with turboprops, out of ORD.

redngold



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User currently offlineKarlB737 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3108 posts, RR: 10
Reply 4, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 4368 times:

The NW service (Mesaba) was to DTW.

User currently offlineChiawei From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 944 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 4361 times:

LAF is not close to IND.

I still don't understand why the route would not work. When I was going at purdue, it was difficult to get flight out of LAF. It's always booked.

The problem i believe is due to pricing. A lot of student find it to be cheaper to take a shuttle to IND and fly to else where.

But IND is more than one hour away from LAF. In addition, during the winter time, the travel on I60 (i can't remember if this is correct) is horrible and down right dangerous.


User currently offlineIndy From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 4568 posts, RR: 18
Reply 6, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 4345 times:

LAF is relatively close. Its about a 55 mile trip down I-65 from Lafayette to 465 on the north side and then a few miles down 465 to the airport entrance. You are talking an hour drive to the airport. Maybe 1 hour 10 minutes and you are there. Its not a whole lot longer than it takes for some people around town to get to the airport because of traffic. 1 hour is no big deal.


Indy = Indianapolis and not Independence Air
User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32876 posts, RR: 71
Reply 7, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 4316 times:

Quoting Redngold (Reply 3):
BTW, last service LAF saw was on American Eagle, I believe with turboprops, out of ORD.

The last service LAF has had was American Connection to St. Louis, which ended 15 February 2004. It did not last long at all...less than one year.



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User currently offlineStarCruiser From United States of America, joined May 2004, 301 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 4294 times:

Quoting Chiawei (Reply 5):
LAF is not close to IND.

Dude, it's 62 miles according to Rand McNally. That's an hour, or perhaps a bit more in traffic. It's interstate highway.

Quoting Chiawei (Reply 5):

But IND is more than one hour away from LAF. In addition, during the winter time, the travel on I60 (i can't remember if this is correct) is horrible and down right dangerous.

You must not be from Indiana. We have snow removal equipment and here in Indianapolis we use it at the first sign of snow. I-65 and the loop I-465 are both major arteries and are quickly plowed. This isn't Dallas where they just look at the snow or ice and wait for it to melt. Besides, what's an hour commute? People drive that long to get to work in many cities.


User currently onlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7593 posts, RR: 27
Reply 9, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 4287 times:

NW/XJ pulled out of LAF in 2001. As said, American Connection gave a brief try at it too.

If they couldn't make it work with Saab's to DTW, doubtful anyone can. The main problem being that you can get nonstop service from IND numerous major cities, that would otherwise require a connection in DTW. It does make it a little more difficult for people to fly in/out of the university without any sort of ground transportation.

Back in the mid-90's, NW/Mesaba prided itself as being the unofficial airline of the Big Ten, by being the only airline to serve all of the eleven university communities.

Michigan (DTW)
Michigan State (LAN)
Ohio State (CMH)
Purdue (LAF) - no longer served
Indiana (BMG) - no longer served
Penn State (SCE)
Illinois (CMI)
Minnesota (MSP)
Iowa (CID)
Wisconsin (MSN)
Northwestern (ORD/MDW)


User currently offlineTWA902fly From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 3128 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 4252 times:

Quoting StarCruiser (Reply 8):
Quoting Chiawei (Reply 5):

But IND is more than one hour away from LAF. In addition, during the winter time, the travel on I60 (i can't remember if this is correct) is horrible and down right dangerous.

You must not be from Indiana. We have snow removal equipment and here in Indianapolis we use it at the first sign of snow.

Well i've driven that stretch at least 20 times in winter time and i'd say i agree it is one of the most dangerous highways i have driven on. during good weather it is just as good as any other interstate, but due to indianas mid-country location, they always get the freezing rain. THREE times i have had to pull over due to ice... somehow i always end up on it where its raining in Indianapolis and snowing in Chicago and you can guess whats in between... but other than that I-65 is a good highway, maybe i just have bad luck. I-94 Madison-Minneapolis can get pretty bad too. as for I-29 up here from Fargo to Grand Forks, well they closed it once this winter, but other than that its been okay. anyways this is an aviation thread not road trip.

TWA902



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User currently offlinePosti From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 106 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 4236 times:

Let me see if a current Purdue Aviation student can straighten a few things out.

1. I have class once a week at Purdue's campus located on the airport at IND. From my house in West Lafayette (2 blocks from Purdue) its about an hour and 15 minuet commute. The nice thing is you can go 80mph on I-65 and not worry about getting a ticket and the weather here is never too bad (I'm from Wisconsin).

2. Students use the passenger area as a lounge, and while American Connection was still operating we used to spend time talking to the gate agents. When we asked how much a R/T flight to STL cost they said around $350. I'm not sure what the price would be to connect from STL but AA has pretty much shut down that hub. Anyways, $350 is much too expensive to be affordable to your average college student, and most out of state students are from Chicago not St. Louis.

Now some speculation
I think LAF could support commercial service of some sort if and only if it was from ORD (UA, AA). This would allow the rich Chicago students to fly home and make it easier for students or businessmen to get to Purdue from far away places. That said, I realize ORD is having capacity issues and nobody has been successful out of LAF in the past, so I'm not getting my hopes up.

Hope that cleared things up a little, if you have any more questions regarding LAF feel free to send em my way, I'm there all the time.


User currently offlineZID From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 294 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 4205 times:

Do they still have that Lafayette Limo service? It was a mini-bus that travelled back and forth between like five or six Purdue campus spots and Indianapolis International every two hours from about 6 in the morning until midnight. If I remember right the round trip fare was only $30.


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User currently offlinePosti From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 106 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 4176 times:

Yes, the Lafayette Limo is still in service. I've used it once or twice, $30 but you better not be in a hurry to get to the airport. Also, a new bus service called Express Air Coach started in the last few months with service to ORD. I have no idea how much it costs or when it operates, all I know is it leaves from the LAF teminal.

User currently offlineDia77 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 705 posts, RR: 6
Reply 14, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 4169 times:

Back when I was at Purdue AA, UA, and NW all served LAF at one point or another. AA left soon after I started school, but UA and NW were there until I graduated. I used to take the UA flight to ORD when I went on job interviews, but I used to always take Lafayette Limo to IND when I went back home to DEN (usually ended up being cheaper, and I liked the nonstop flight). It would be a real shame to see LAF without commercial service. Go Boilers!!!!

User currently offlineRedngold From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 6907 posts, RR: 44
Reply 15, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 4139 times:

Thanks for the correction y'all. Now it makes sense, because I saw pictures of J31 aircraft which were operated by Trans States out of STL. I was a bit confused by that...


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User currently offlineSTLGph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 9384 posts, RR: 26
Reply 16, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 4130 times:

Quoting Posti (Reply 11):
When we asked how much a R/T flight to STL cost they said around $350. I'm not sure what the price would be to connect from STL but AA has pretty much shut down that hub. Anyways, $350 is much too expensive to be affordable to your average college student, and most out of state students are from Chicago not St. Louis.

Yes, I remember seeing that price listed. In comparison, when Northwest had service, I remember flying from St. Louis - Detroit - Lafayette for $103 roundtrip when I was back at home switching changing out vehicles. It was even down to $80 or $95 a few times when I had to go back home and sometimes just did that for the fun time of flying on a plane rather than driving. Flight time with connection was about 2.5 hours. Driving in total is 4.5 hours, but flying's just fun sometimes, even if you do look out the window on your way to Detroit and see Lafayette below you.



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User currently offline7E72004 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3587 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 4081 times:

The only time i flew out of LAF was on a US flight to Dayton (J31) then onto PHL.


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User currently offlineCOSPN From Northern Mariana Islands, joined Oct 2001, 1621 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 4063 times:

How much is the Lafayette Limo Bus from IND ??? How Oftem does it run ???

User currently offlineBOS2LAF From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 374 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 4036 times:

The limo runs every 2 hours. so if you get in 2 min after one leaves, have fun, you have a nice wait at the airport for the next one... and thats when they're on time. R/T the limo is $40. For the inconvenience of their schedule, its worth it to me to pay a little bit more to park there and leave at my own convenience. I don't like having to book my flights around their schedule, not to mention it makes it more difficult to find the cheapest fare when youre working around the limo's schedule.

I'm really disappointed NW pulled out. In my freshman year, I flew LAF-DTW-MHT for $165 round trip. IND was $220. With their expansion at IND though, its unlikely we'll ever see them again.  banghead 

AA didnt work because their fares sucked. When I saw $380 for fares to BOS, and $750 to MHT changing to US in PHL, I knew they wouldn't last. Screw 'em, they got what was coming. (Thats my hatred for AA speaking, take it worth a grain of salt)  duck 

I'm on one of the B6 research teams here, and we've been on their case about bringing the 190s to LAF  rotfl 

To make LAF work, an airline is competing with IND. They have to make it worthwhile for someone not to drive to IND. They also need to advertise in the area. I've met Purdue students that didn't even know we had commercial service at the airport. That certainly doesnt help matters.


User currently offlineChiawei From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 944 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 3993 times:

I lived in West Lafayette for 3 years. I know how tough the winter can be. (PS. I used to live in east coast, and i have been through my share of rough weather).

Back in 1998 during the worse storm season ever, I65 was almost not useable. It took me 4 hours from IND to get back to West Lafayette. So don't tell me how efficient the snow removal is. Because I have seen how bad it can be. In addition, I65 does not have lights away from IND to West Lafayette. Try to drive when it is snowing, freezing rain, with no street light.
Back then we did not have HID on our car. Even then, the head light would become useless quickly as freezing rain builds up on the light and light pattern gets all screwed up. Moreover, there are so many big rigs on I65. If you are a poor student driving a light sub-compact in heavy wind, good luck to you as well. I found I-65 to be dangerous no matter what time of the year during the night. In addition, the highway are not maintained that well either.

In addition, I had a family at that time, taking limo was a problem with luggage and one yound baby.

Plus the limo is not that cheap to begin with (btw, i remember it used to be an hourly service).

LAF will work if major airlines would simply have good fare and advertise more. When I went interview with GM/Ford/Chrysler, I always flew out of LAF to Detroit and it was pleasant and less stressful.


User currently offlineLGAtoIND From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 490 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 3986 times:

The limo, while it is pretty cheap, really sucks. It is not that bad going to IND, but when I come back to school, my flight always seems to land just as the limo is leaving. Anyway, I am a freshman, but I heard that most students would not take American's service last year because it was priced too high. Back when it was operating, I did some checking and found out prices from my house (LGA-STL-LAF) to be around 500-700 dollars roundtrip. Why would anyone pay that when I can usually fly IND-LGA nonstop for only 150-200 roundtrip? Does anyone think that Comair could fly like 2 CRJ-200's a day LAF-CVG? I would say that a moderatley priced ORD service could work, but ORD is just too close for most people to fly. Any thoughts on CVG?

User currently offline7E72004 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3587 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 3967 times:

CVG may work with about 2 regional flights a day. One ofthe keys is the advertising...When i flew the LAF-DAY route in '91, i lived in Monticello which is 45 minutes (maybe) north of LAF...LAF at that point was more convenient instead of driving to IND or MDW/ORD. I think LAF-CVG could work.


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User currently offlineDoug_Or From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3414 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 3964 times:

CVG isn't really much further than ORD (espeacialy whne you consider Chicago traffic). One of the problems with LAF service is that a large number of the potential passengers (students) are very price sensitive and only want to travel @ certain times of the year (breaks). Regional service is more expensive to operate per seat than big jets, and unless you can attract a premium for your service, it will not be economicly viable.

Add to that the proximity and good fares from IND (I always managed to get good fares and friendly staff no matter who I flew), and you'll see the reason that none of te 20 some odd operaters over the last 30 years have been able to stay.

Anyone still aorund know what ended up happening to the airports finnancial situation? I left May '04 and with the end of service, the federal $$ was supposed to dry up.



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User currently offlineBOS2LAF From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 374 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 3959 times:

I think the ideal candidate for service would be CO with the ERJ 135... The 135 is a perfect size, and CLE is close enough to work.

I dont think DL with CRJs would work. AA couldnt fill a J31, and NW struggled with the SF-340... I know the 135 is a similar size, but if an airline did it right, they could make it work. (Does RP fly the 135 for DL?)

This is what I think are the key things an airline would have to do:

-A minimum of 3 well-timed departures. When NW cut to 2 departures, things went down the shitter fast. Same for AA.

-Good prices. NW did it. I was on many a full flight into and out of LAF. AA didn't do it, and it bit them in the ass.

-Advertise, advertise, advertise. When Purdue students arent aware theres airline service, thats a bad sign.

-Draw in pax from the LAF area that would usually use IND or Chicago. Ive been out of MDW, and I'll never do it again. To borrow a line from Ron White (Blue Collar Comedy) I'd rather "sandpaper the a**hole of an alligator in a phone booth" than fly out of MDW. LAF has free parking. If an airline took the above steps, they could bring in pax who use other airports.

Traffic isnt totally seasonal. Lots of professors and student researchers do a lot of traveling. The research programs of the aviation department alone could sustain service, theres always one team traveling somewhere. Lots of almuni visit for sporting events.

Doug_Or: The terminal is barren on the first floor save for the rental car companies and the AT library, and Alamo/National moved to the building between the terminal and AT building that used to house professors offices. Upstairs is the airport admin office and the Interdisciplenary Ergonomics Lab (aka: the research office, as the aviation research teams use the office) and a few professors' offices.

  

edit: BTW, does anyone know why this plane landed in LAF sometime this past fall? I saw it on final one day when I was walking to campus.
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[Edited 2005-03-22 21:09:30]

25 PSU.DTW.SCE : That Dash-8 was likely in LAF as a sports charter for some another university. As for air service returning to LAF, about your only chance is if NW at
26 LV : I would think LAF would be one of the easiest and cheapest markets to advertise in....just take out a full page ad in the Exponent and you have your b
27 Stpeterc : Take this from someone who flew out of LAF over two dozen times when he was a student trying to get home to visit his family and manage his own busine
28 Milesrich : Children: Winter weather affects all travel. But 340 or more days of the year, driving from West Lafayette to Weir Cook is an hour drive. I live in Al
29 Post contains images Redngold : Milesrich -- Thank you for your wonderfully condescending and rude post. Of course many of us know that expecting resumption of service at LAF is like
30 7E72004 : As stated before, most college students are not made of money and would be more proned to going to IND to catch a flight.
31 Stpeterc : Milesrich: Wow. You basically said the same thing I did. The only difference was that you were a jerk about it. Nice job.[Edited 2005-03-23 21:11:14]
32 Post contains images NorCal : Maybe if you ride the Lafayette limo
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