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AC May Not Make Profit  
User currently offlineAC7E7 From Canada, joined Oct 2004, 684 posts, RR: 20
Posted (11 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 2526 times:


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User currently offlineChrisa330 From Canada, joined Oct 1999, 663 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (11 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 2507 times:

Air Canada was pretty quick to refute Bloomberg's statements...


User currently offlineYeggerman From Canada, joined Mar 2005, 143 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (11 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 2504 times:

Very interesting article, I wonder how the shareholders are going to take this news. I mean what's the point of holding shares in a company that may never make money. As for ditching there business plan because of this, where does it leave them? Will the eventually go back into bankruptcy because of this?

"All great things must come to an end"
User currently offlineAC7E7 From Canada, joined Oct 2004, 684 posts, RR: 20
Reply 3, posted (11 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 2484 times:

I don't think the company will go back into bankruptcy protection. But this isn't good news. Shares are already down $0.50 to $34.10 on the TSX as of 14:00. Fuel prices are not helping any of the airlines though, but Jetsgo's demise will help both Westjet and AC.

User currently offlineA332 From Canada, joined Feb 2005, 1644 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (11 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 2474 times:

Quoting AC7E7 (Reply 3):
Jetsgo's demise will help both Westjet and AC.

I agree. I believe we can expect to see a return to profitability for AC this year.

Bad spellers of the world... UNTIE!
User currently offlineAC320 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (11 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 2463 times:

Well the AC release states the quotes and information may have been used out of context, which is possible considering the information used seems to point to the necessity of timely and new aircraft deliveries to ensure growth and profit. Their finances this year will be very telling.

User currently offlineSebring From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 1697 posts, RR: 14
Reply 6, posted (11 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 2431 times:

This is so boring. The Bloomberg article reached into the risk factors section of the MD&A that was written a month ago, and all businesses are required to express great candor in discussing risks. It's part of the boiler-plate of financial documents in this era of full disclosure. That doesn't mean that the risks are probables... Nor did Bloomberg discuss all risks, for example, a stronger than expected Canadian dollar. They discussed theoretical delays in the fleet restructuring - sure, it's theoretically possible that Embraer could be late delivering the E175 or E190. You have to state that risk. And the discussion of debt is automatic. However, just today, AC announced a new debt/equity issue and line of credit that actually lowers its interest costs and adds to its cash reserves, bringing them up to the C$2 billion level even after AC has made progress payments and equity payments on the regional jets delivered and being manufactured.

Of significance, AC said it still hopes to make its EBITDAR and is taking action to generate additional cost savings/revenues. AC could miss its EBITDAR but still make money, only less money than it had forecast.

Of significance, the MD&A was written before Jetsgo went under.

So it's wildly premature, even ridiculous, to take the MD&A risk analysis and spin that into a money losing year or discussion of a return to creditor protection.

And the reason the stock is off today is just as obvious: the issuance of new shares always dilutes everyone else's holdings.

Think of it another way. A consortium of leading Canadian financial institutions today entered into a pair of transactions to give AC a combination C$1 billion in new equity and investment grade debt and credit (not junk rates). There aren't two many airlines, certainly not traditional airlines, that can say that.

User currently offlineYUL332LX From Canada, joined Feb 2004, 820 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (11 years 2 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 2320 times:

''The Circular provided an EBITDA projection of $1.6 billion for 2005, which was based on an assumed average 2005 crude oil price of approximately US $35 dollars per barrel for West Texas Intermediate (WTI) crude oil''

Looks like they need a new prediction model to project future oil prices...

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