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When Will AS Join Skyteam?  
User currently offlineJunction From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 778 posts, RR: 0
Posted (9 years 9 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 3322 times:

I just noticed that Alaska Airlines has codeshare with Delta mainline between BOI and SLC (probably other markets too). AS already has quite a bit of codeshare with CO and NW. This means they codeshare will all U.S. domestic partners of Skyteam. Does anyone know if AS is considering becoming a member even though they also codeshare with AA?

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User currently offlineAvek00 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 4417 posts, RR: 19
Reply 1, posted (9 years 9 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 3291 times:

AS has zero need to join a major airline alliance - the airline receives substantial economic benefit from its ad hoc codeshares - why waste capital for a fancy sticker on the side of the plane?


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User currently offline7E72004 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3587 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (9 years 9 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 3278 times:

they will join when Jenna Jameson is in my lap!  cloudnine 


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User currently offlineSearpqx From Netherlands, joined Jun 2000, 4344 posts, RR: 10
Reply 3, posted (9 years 9 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 3272 times:

AS has for years made it very clear that they like being 'that girl' when it comes to airline alliances. They'll fool around with just about anyone who asks, but they have no intention of committing to any single alliance. I think EA CO AS mentioned in a recent thread that AS actually now gets more pax through the AA code-share than through any other single airline code share.


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User currently offlineLincoln From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 3887 posts, RR: 8
Reply 4, posted (9 years 9 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 3154 times:

Quoting Searpqx (Reply 3):
AS has for years made it very clear that they like being 'that girl' when it comes to airline alliances. They'll fool around with just about anyone who asks, but they have no intention of committing to any single alliance

Well put, Searpqx. Looking at it, aliances exist--at least as far as I can figure-- for marketing purposes and to boost Pax counts. Since AS seems to be doing quite will on its own, there isn't a huge need for them to join Skyteam and put up with the overhead that that would bring.

And, in addition, even if AA weren't providing a majority of the pax (I don't know if they are or not), they are providing at least a decent flow of pax and AS joining SkyTeam would likely irk AA (and AA may choose to open new routes or find someone else who can serve the routes instead of AA).

It's like a street gang- you can stay out of them and play fairly safe, or you can join one and you know the other will be out to kill you...

Lincoln



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User currently offlineAS739X From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6194 posts, RR: 24
Reply 5, posted (9 years 9 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 3119 times:

AA has already become Alaska's number one codeshare partner from my understanding. We also codeshare with Qantas/British and others....as said above, we are just " That Girl".

No SkyTeam/OneWorld or Star

ASSFO



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User currently offlineBA319-131 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 8588 posts, RR: 54
Reply 6, posted (9 years 9 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 3098 times:
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At the moment AS appear to be happy with thin gs as they are.

Given time, I think AS would join OneWorld over other alliances.



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User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13743 posts, RR: 61
Reply 7, posted (9 years 9 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 3065 times:
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I think EA CO AS mentioned in a recent thread that AS actually now gets more pax through the AA code-share than through any other single airline code share.


True! Actually, last I checked, AA provides more codeshare traffic to AS than CO, NW and DL combined.

As others have mentioned, AS doesn't need to join an alliance - they already receive the benefits of membership with both SkyTeam and oneworld without the fuss of actually becoming a member.



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User currently offlineFewsolarge From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 409 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (9 years 9 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 3011 times:

Everybody loves a good piece of AS.

User currently offlineCOEWR From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 273 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (9 years 9 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 2963 times:

Quoting Fewsolarge (Reply 8):
Everybody loves a good piece of AS.

haha...nice.

If AA is providing more traffic to AS than NW, DL and CO then why wouldn't they join One World instead of Skyteam?

--C


User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13743 posts, RR: 61
Reply 10, posted (9 years 9 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2920 times:
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If AA is providing more traffic to AS than NW, DL and CO then why wouldn't they join One World instead of Skyteam?


Why should they? Odds are one of the stipulations to join oneworld would be to sever codeshare links with other carriers - and why would AS want to turn away that extra revenue?

AS is doing just fine the way things are - they get all the benefits of alliances without without the actual headaches associated with joining one.



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User currently offlineBurnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7564 posts, RR: 8
Reply 11, posted (9 years 9 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2769 times:

The agreement with NW and AS is far more integrated and much larger then that with AA


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User currently offlineLincoln From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 3887 posts, RR: 8
Reply 12, posted (9 years 9 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2758 times:

This may not be the place to ask, but, speaking of the agreement between NW and AS...

How are codeshare seats dealt with? I.e.

1- Is each codesharing carrier given a block (or a minmum and maximum) number of seats to sell on a given flight? Or can they sell from all available inventory? (I.e. is it theororetically possible to have an AS flight where 100% of the pax are booked on a NW flight number?)

2- How does compensation work-- fixed amount per seat/per route, percentage of actual fare charged or?

3- Assuming the answer to #1 is that each carrier is given a block, does the carrier pay even if no one purchases those seats?

Thanks!

Lincoln



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User currently offlineCOEWR From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 273 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 2615 times:

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 10):
Why should they? Odds are one of the stipulations to join oneworld would be to sever codeshare links with other carriers - and why would AS want to turn away that extra revenue?

AS is doing just fine the way things are - they get all the benefits of alliances without without the actual headaches associated with joining one.

I was just playing devils advocate. I was not actually saying they should join one alliance or another. Actually, I believe it works to their advantage to stay independent. They have increased feed with no obligations to a certain group of airlines.


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