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MAD-Barajas 25% Bigger As LHR From 2006 Onwards!  
User currently offlineGlidepath73 From Germany, joined Mar 2005, 1020 posts, RR: 45
Posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 4315 times:

As "Airport Council International" says in a Spanish newspaper, MAD-Barajas will be the second biggest Airport in the world, after it reaches it's full capacity of up to 70 million passengers a year. This would mean, MAD would be after ATL the second biggest airport in the world. That means it would be 25% bigger then LHR when it reaches it's full capacity.
Even 130.000 new jobs will be created by that in the next ten years. In the rush hours, MAD will be able to handle up to 18.000 passengers in one hour, instead of the current 7500.
The size of the terminals will grow from 198.000 square meters to 940.000 square meters. The baggage system will be able to handle up to 16.500 pieces of luggage per hour. This will be managed by 90 kilometers of new belts. The runway system allows up to 120 take-offs and landings per hour.
The goal of MAD is to become the fourth HUB-airport in Europe along with CDG, FRA, LHR.

Really cool!

Regards,
Patrick   

[Edited 2005-03-21 23:20:04]


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User currently offlineDAL767400ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 4264 times:

Quoting Glidepath73 (Thread starter):
As "Airport Council International" says in a Spanish newspaper, MAD-Barajas will be the second biggest Airport in the world, after it reaches it's full capacity of up to 70 million passengers a year. This would mean, MAD would be after ATL the second biggest airport in the world. That means it would be 25% bigger then LHR when it reaches it's full capacity.

The problem with such data is that other airports are growing as well. ATL is slowly going for 100 million pax, ORD is going for 90, LHR for 80, CDG is growing, FRA is growing, and we must never forget DXB. MAD will never be the world's second biggest airport. It just lacks the combo of O&D and massive connections that the other mega airports offer.


User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 2, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 4254 times:

It may grow to be capable of 70 million passengers, but I sincerely doubt it will actually carry them.

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User currently offlineIBERIA747 From Spain, joined Aug 2003, 1831 posts, RR: 58
Reply 3, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 4178 times:

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 1):
FRA is growing

Pretty difficult due to lack of space...won't be able to expand too much unless they build a new terminal complex really far away from the current complex.

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 1):
MAD will never be the world's second biggest airport.

I'm sorry to burst your bubble pal...but it will be, next year (in fact it is already   ) and will remain that way until another airport surpasses it (not many on the list).

Quoting Gigneil (Reply 2):
It may grow to be capable of 70 million passengers, but I sincerely doubt it will actually carry them.

Why not?

This is the traffic growth for MAD in the last 10 years (plus 1990)
1990: 14,0 million passengers.
1994: 18,4
1995: 19,9
1996: 21,9
1997: 23,6
1998: 25,5
1999: 28,1
2000: 32,7
2001: 34,0
2002: 33,8
2003: 35,7
2004: 38,5

This makes MAD to currently rank 5th among Europe's busiest airports and above many US main airports such as JFK or MIA in the world ranking. It also ranks above other important airports such as HKG, SIN or NRT.

Don't forget that this expansion has been made with the year 2025 in mind...we don't expect MAD to reach such traffic levels in a couple of years, but in the following 15 or 20 years although I'm pretty sure it will be before that.

And as Glidepath said, the goal is to have MAD as the FOURTH hub in Europe by then.

[Edited 2005-03-22 01:07:43]


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User currently offlineJoFMO From Germany, joined Jul 2004, 2211 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 4113 times:

Quoting IBERIA747 (Reply 3):
Pretty difficult due to lack of space...won't be able to expand too much unless they build a new terminal complex really far away from the current complex

That's actually what they are doing. Building a third terminal south of the current parallel runway system and adding a 4th runway for a capacity of 120 slots per hour.

Quoting IBERIA747 (Reply 3):
And as Glidepath said, the goal is to have MAD as the FOURTH hub in Europe by then.

Nothing against Spain and MAD, but I doubt that they will ever reach European no 4. MAD has a bad location for transfer traffic. It is too fra south for traffic to North America and too far west for traffic to Asia. It is perfect for latin America, but that is not where the big number go.
Therefore I see MAD behind LHR, CDG, FRA and AMS for the next two decades. MAD even has to watch that they don't fall behind FCO and MUC.


User currently offlineIncitatus From Brazil, joined Feb 2005, 4002 posts, RR: 13
Reply 5, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 4073 times:

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 1):
MAD will never be the world's second biggest airport.

Who would guess that a little city like Atlanta would have the largest airport in the World?


User currently offlineRafabozzolla From Brazil, joined Apr 2000, 1211 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 4051 times:

MAD will have a CAPACITY of 70M, that does not mean it will HANDLE that much.

That said, I won't be surprised if MAD grows faster than some other Euro airports, of course there are many reasons to attract traffic to an airport, and free slots and terminal space are some of them.

Expansion at FRA may as well take a good while. At LHR, T5 will only make the airport adequate for the traffic levels it will have when it opens, what means LHR will be saturated again in no time. Don't really know about AMS, but the greens are very active against increasing movements there. So only CDG has a real chance of expansion compared to MAD and this may be important in the future.

The bottom line? No one actually knows what will happen.

PS: Kudos to AENA for their strategic plans for both MAD and BCN


User currently offlineSchipholjfk From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 579 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 4042 times:

Quoting IBERIA747 (Reply 3):
This makes MAD to currently rank 5th among Europe's busiest airports and above many US main airports such as JFK or MIA in the world ranking. It also ranks above other important airports such as HKG, SIN or NRT.

I love the way how these discussions become so nationalistic !!! Just couple of reminders... JFK is one of THREE NYC area airports. Combined these three aiports handle close to 90+ million. Just use your COMMON SENSE folks... MAD in the near future will not in come numbers that FRA, LHR or CDG generates. Partly due to its geographic location and partly for the simple fact FRA, LHR and CDG are strategically more important on many levels. I doubt a large number of US or Asian airlines such as Air India, Emirates, etc will use MAD over FRA or LHR or CDG. Just does not make any sense given the demographics of passengers they carry. MAD has a closer tie to Latin America and you see that in the number of flights that come in from that part of the world. In terms of intra-Europe flights, LHR, FRA, CDG or to even lighter extent AMS will continue to grow. So will MAD. But not at any significant rate to over take the growth rates at other airports. This reminds me of the situation at KUL. I remember traveling through KUL many times soon after the KLIA was opened and there was a tremendous buzz in Malaysia in terms how it would become a "big-time" hub. Never happened when SIN and BKK (the two immediate neighbors of KUL) are more attractive to business, tourist and any other types of travelers. By the way, KLIA ia a beautiful, environmentally-friendly airport... if you all get a chance please do visit it.



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User currently offlineSchipholjfk From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 579 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 4029 times:

Quoting Incitatus (Reply 5):
Who would guess that a little city like Atlanta would have the largest airport in the World?

Atlanta does not have the largest airport by passenger count because of its size, but because of couple of major airlines using it as its hub. And also because of Atlanta's strategic location. I myself have passed through ATL on many occasions, but never been to Atlanta itself! Just transiting on Delta. So the size of a city has nothing to do with the volume of passenger traffic, rather if the airport has one or more major players using it as a hub to transit passengers.



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User currently offlineGlidepath73 From Germany, joined Mar 2005, 1020 posts, RR: 45
Reply 9, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 3949 times:

I just posted the facts, they wrote in this article.
Let's see how the south- and latin America market will grow.

Regards,
Patrick



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User currently offlineWheelsatc From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 111 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 3836 times:

The latin and South american markets can grow all they want but they will never be bigger than north america and Asia which are far better connected through LHR, FRA, CDG and AMS and hence those four airports will always remain ahead of MAD.

User currently offline767-332ER From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 2030 posts, RR: 10
Reply 11, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 3802 times:

Quoting Incitatus (Reply 5):
Who would guess that a little city like Atlanta would have the largest airport in the World?

May I remind you that this little city has over 4 million people in it's metro area and is home to many important players in today's business world.



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User currently offlineMIASkies From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 1347 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 3796 times:

Madrid? ... nada que ver! It is a big airport; granted! but 2nd largest in the world as far as pax numbers? hmmm... I want to see that one!

Maybe if they get to host the olympics then they will become the 2nd largest airport for that summer, considering they will have airline service from preety much everywhere in the world that summer!!!

just my 2 cents...



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User currently offline767-332ER From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 2030 posts, RR: 10
Reply 13, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 3773 times:

Also, another point I wanted to make and the bureacracy is far beyond me but we must note that all international traffic in Spain is flowed thru Madrid. Granted BCN gets the summer service from JFK and ATL with Delta, but everything else across the Atlantic is flown into MAD. I have known of previous attempts by AA to fly into southern Spain and these attempts were declined. So pretty much all the significant international traffic into the Iberian peninsula is flown into MAD. LIS receives their Varig, TAP and Continental services, and that's about it. To be one of the most popular tourist locations in the world, this is one way to control the flow of traffic and thus, boost numbers that otherwise would not be as high.
Regards



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User currently offlineMIASkies From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 1347 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 3749 times:

US will fly to BCN from PHL this summer nonstop ; summer seasonal as well.
AA attempted to fly JFK-BCN but because of poor demand, the route was dropped. AA is considering MIA-BCN, let's see how that goes... but as mentioned before, new service to other Euro.cities from MIA will more than likely launch before MIA-BCN does. MIA is served 2x daily to MAD w/ IB & AA so all the traffic goes through MAD.



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User currently offlineIBERIA747 From Spain, joined Aug 2003, 1831 posts, RR: 58
Reply 15, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 3719 times:

Quoting JoFMO (Reply 4):
Nothing against Spain and MAD, but I doubt that they will ever reach European no 4. MAD



Quoting JoFMO (Reply 4):
MAD even has to watch that they don't fall behind FCO and MUC.

Check the statistics...the existing gap between MAD and AMS is getting smaller every year. On the other hand, the gap between MAD and FCO has been increasing every year while MUC also lies far behind.
15 years ago MAD ranked 30th worldwide for pax traffic...now it ranks 13th in the same list.

About the airport's size...I don't think that having a 940,000 m2 (about 10 million sq. feet) terminal complex is or will be easy to beat for many airports...it's even bigger than ATL is now.

As I said before, MAD has experienced this big expansion so they won't need to build any additional facilities in the next 20 years, as opposite to what they have been doing in the last 20 years...it's not that we are going to see that much traffic in the next 2 years.

One thing I forgot to say...

Maybe we are talking about different things here: busiest Vs. biggest.
About "busiest": I am quite aware that MAD will never be the world's 2nd largest in those terms even though it will be the 2nd by capacity for some time.
About "biggest"...well, the numbers speak for themselves. MAD will be in terms of terminal area about 30% bigger than ATL is now, almost twice the size of HKG and about 4,5 times bigger than DTW's new "McNamara terminal".

It will be a good thing having lots of room available for the years to come, something that not many big airports can enjoy nowadays.

[Edited 2005-03-22 14:56:19]


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User currently offlineDAL767400ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 3637 times:

What good is it if you have the world's largest (or 2nd largest) terminal complex if you don't even have 50% the pax numbers of the next best competitor?

User currently offlineIBERIA747 From Spain, joined Aug 2003, 1831 posts, RR: 58
Reply 17, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 3616 times:

DAL767400ER,

To answer your question...what's (in your opinion) the bad part about having plenty of room available?


It will be great to be able to take off from MAD without having to spend 45 minutes between the time when your aircraft pushes back off the gate and the time when it takes off, as happens now. It's not exactly "pleasing" when the captain announces "Ladies and gentlemen, we are number 15 for take off"

Btw it also happens in ATL, and we better not talk about LHR (that's scary)

[Edited 2005-03-22 16:27:06]


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User currently offlineAM744 From Mexico, joined Jun 2001, 1773 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 3603 times:

Build it and they will come. I'm sure that space will have competitive fares and many other conveniences, thus the airport WILL be used to its max capacity when the time comes.

User currently offlineIBERIA747 From Spain, joined Aug 2003, 1831 posts, RR: 58
Reply 19, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 3592 times:

Btw...there are plans already being studied about "what to do" the day MAD wll reach it's maximum utilization...believe me, it will.


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User currently offlineDAL767400ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 3566 times:

Quoting IBERIA747 (Reply 17):
To answer your question...what's (in your opinion) the bad part about having plenty of room available?

There's nothing bad about it, but I'd rather see a smaller, yet fuller terminal, because there I can see that the millions of $ or € have been put to good use. And about having a 45-minute wait at ATL, outside of severerly bad weather, I have yet to experience a waiting time at ATL longer than 25 minutes.


User currently offlineStirling From Italy, joined Jun 2004, 3943 posts, RR: 21
Reply 21, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 3555 times:

Madrid's latest metropolitan population: 5,9 millions.

Madrid CONTINUES to grow. Look to ANY horizon and witness firsthand the construction taking place at every position of the compass. Massive blocks of buildings to house the thousands moving to Madrid every day.

Madrid is a destination, AND an origination. Does an airport need to be a connecting hub to become a world traffic leader?
Madrid does not have the small population base like say AMS, and the resulting need to supplement revenues with transitting passenger traffic. (I mean no offense to my dear friends in AMS, but frankly Schipol's market base is static, the population growth in a year, is as much as Madrid does in a week, so thus the necessity to explore non-traditional profit centers, i.e., maitenance, connections, shopping etc. to supplement it's growth. Typical Dutch ingenuity at turning a negative into a positive.)

Madrid is not ringed by other airports whose primary objective is to siphon off the mother airport's traffic. Draw 100km circles around the other major European airports, and you will see Madrid with a much more captive cachement area compared to, say, Frankfurt, where alternate airport choices abound, or London, and the rest of the UK for that matter. What is the closest airport to Madrid? Valladolid? Granada? And those are boutique airports offering limited services on niche LCC carriers. Because Madrid is served by just ONE massive airport, it could be misconstrued as an impediture to competition, OR a wise scheme of AENA to protect their investment. Either way, it would take something of apocalyptic proportions to dislodge Madrid-Barajas from it's ordained course.


Madrid, and the rest of Spain, is quite capable thank you, of doing something that is better than the rest of Europe. Believe it or not! (The fact that Madrid is still in the running for ANOTHER Olympic Games so soon after Barcelona 92 is a telling fact.....and IMHO, it is still the far and away the best choice of the remaining cities.)

I will not cast false accusations at persons I do not know, however, reading some of the insular comments above, on their face, appear to contain a good deal of prejudice towards the Iberian peninsula. Whether or not you choose to accept it, Madrid's position as one of the premier European gateways is a definite certainty.

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User currently offlineCornish From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 8187 posts, RR: 54
Reply 22, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 3526 times:

Well there is no doubt that MAD will be one of the world's largest airports when it is completed. How long it will take to fill up to 70 million passenger capacity is a big question, but they certainly have a long way to go from their current numbers.

I honestly don't believe it will overtake LHR, FRA, or CDG - maybe AMS but only if AF lets KL and AMS stagnate in the future to benefit CDG.

However AMS has the big advantage of its connectivity. A lot of traffic from the UK and other parts of northern Europe connect on to long haul flights there, not forgetting its a big tourist destination in its own right.

And this is the problem with MAD - it is obviously the leading airpot in europe for connecting to Latin America but it is weak in other areas - particularly to Asia, Middle East and Africa - and also N.America to some extent. This isn't going to change any time soon, partcularly with IB and BA's alliance. Each plays to their strengths and IB feed long haul traffic to these other world regions on to BA. And carriers from those regions do not generally fly to MAD.

In addition where LON and PAR are two of the biggest tourist destination cities in the world, MAD ranks far behind. Its a great city, but the majority of foreigners think beaches and Barcelona when they think of Spain and tourism, so despite its many attractions it will not be number one on many people's lists.

That's not to knock Madrid - far from it. I think the new terminal will be fantastic, but I don't think it will be overtaking the bigger European airports in passenger traffic anytime soon.



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User currently offlineBCNGRO From Andorra, joined Oct 2004, 584 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 3513 times:

Quoting Glidepath73 (Thread starter):
MAD-Barajas will be the second biggest Airport in the world

I don't think so, MAD is not alone  no .

BCN, which seems to be doing really well lately, has also an expansion plan -it plans to handle 40M pax by 2020- and I don't think the two airports will be able to grow that much being so close to eachother.

Maybe if BCN wasn't there... but this is not the case  devil .



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User currently offlineIBERIA747 From Spain, joined Aug 2003, 1831 posts, RR: 58
Reply 24, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 3494 times:

Quoting Cornish (Reply 22):
How long it will take to fill up to 70 million passenger capacity is a big question

As I have mentioned before (twice), AENA has said they expect MAD to reach 70 million pax per year by 2025 (I think it could be before).

And as I said on my previous post, there are plans under study to build a new airport outside Madrid by the time Barajas will reach it's maximum utilization.

The new airport would most likely be built in the town of Campo Real (35 Km. SE from Madrid and close to Arganda), and should be ready to enter service by 2025. In fact, many people here said that it would have been a better idea to build the new airport instead of expanding Barajas' facilities.



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25 IBERIA747 : BCNGRO, Both MAD and BCN have been growing rapidly in the last years without interfering with each other's growth, so I don't see a reason why it shou
26 Schipholjfk : Why don't you ask the people at KLIA (Malaysia) and find out how well they have done with international traffic. Most of their current growth is from
27 Braybuddy : If ever there was a case for the necessity of the A380 and a future stretch, this is it!
28 Cornish : Out of interest - and I'm hoping some of our Spanish a.netters can help me here, to what extent will Barajas traffic be affected by the further expans
29 IBERIA747 : This is Madrid, not Kuala Lumpur...the numbers speak for themselves, and hey...Madrid is not exactly an "LCC Paradise". We should ask then where has t
30 BCNGRO : Indeed, both airports are nowadays growing rapidly (and I hope it doesn't change) but, as it usually happens, this rapid growth will, at some point, s
31 Bongo : Will MAD be ready for the A380 ?
32 Tripple7 : I think you should not compare Amsterdam and Madrid as cities as they are, but their conglomorate areas should be compared. Bear in mind that within
33 Travelin man : IF Madrid reaches 70 million pax/year by 2025, I guarantee you it will NOT be the "second biggest airport in the world". ATL and ORD are already at t
34 Airbazar : Look South my friend, about 300mi, and you will find the answer. It takes more than geographic location to make a great hub. SIN is not exactly well
35 IBERIA747 : No, Travelin man, you are the one who's making the biggest of all mistakes here because NOBODY has said that MAD will be the world's 2nd largest airp
36 Bongo : Can someone confirm if they will (MAD) be ready for the A380 ?
37 Travelin man : Yeah, I think that was uncalled for. But thanks for the feedback. Since apparently you cannot ellaborate, can anyone else? What does "second biggest"
38 Ndebelebev : I think Iberia747 is just trying to post about a topic he knows quite a lot about. But I can see where you are coming from when you ask what does 'big
39 IBERIA747 : Let's make a few things clear here: Physical size is one thing. Capacity is a different one...and finally, utilisation is also a different thing. This
40 Travelin man : Wow, you were able to clarify without even insulting my intelligence. Thanks for the clarification.
41 Anxebla : Within 4/5 years MAD can growing as far as 50 M pax. But I can not understand Madrid-Barajas could be closed within 20 years like Alfonso (IB747) know
42 IBERIA747 : Andrés, Maybe our "wise authorities" could think twice about it and let Barajas remain open after 2025. One thing I have noticed is that if the airpo
43 BuyantUkhaa : I think this expansion plan is a bit strange in terms of utilisation. While I think it's very good that AENA looks so far ahead, I think it's financia
44 Stirling : I never said it wasn't. AMS is definitely a destination, and I can't wait to visit again soon. Domestic Traffic. VFR. Business. Regional Connections.
45 Post contains images IberiaN : Hi! I think that MAD will probably be the second airport in the world, of course in terms of capacity, but also traffic is growing....amazingly! I fle
46 767-332ER : IberiaN, You should come to ATL, where we have planes landing about that rate (20-30secs or less) not using only one runway...
47 IBERIA747 : Well Emilio, it's true that MAD is always congested lately, but yesterday things could be easily worse due to some storms in the area and to the traff
48 Arcano : I think the fact that Spain has become the second most popular destination of the world (after France) has something to fo in the figures... Good for
49 Post contains images Cornish : True, but you have to understand that much of that is traffic from Northern Europe flying to the beaches of the coast and the Canaries and the Baeler
50 Incitatus : Exactly my point. A city with no particular attractions and a few big businesses has the largest passenger volume airport in the World. If Atlanta ma
51 Post contains images Aa777jr : Source? MAD over NRT? HAHAHA! AA has rights for JFK-BCN, ex TW route, do they have rights for MIA-BCN? Your basing your 70 million pax at MAD for the
52 Ghost77 : Well ATL should THANK DELTA and more recently Air Tran for making it the world's busiest airport. As AM744 post above in R.18... Build it and they wil
53 AeroWesty : How would you compare MAD to LGW? Isn't that where you arrived this morning from DFW? LGW I'm familiar with, MAD I'm not. Regards.
54 Post contains links and images IBERIA747 : Here's the source with 2002 data: http://encarta.msn.com/media_7015005...Airports_by_Passenger_Traffic.html Yes, kid...whether you like it or not. MA
55 IBERIA747 : One thing is to say that MAD will have a huge capacity by 2006, as is going to happen. No one has said that MAD will be the second busiest airport in
56 IberiaN : Dear Aa777jr, I think that your comments about MAD are simply ridiculous and totally unfair: I have only been at one airport at your country: JFK Coul
57 Post contains links Ghost77 : TOP 50 IN 2004 in termos of PAX, OPERATIONS AND CARGO: http://www.aicm.com.mx/Principal/Cor...AICMCifras/PosicionMundialAICM.htm PAX MAD ranks 13th Op
58 JoFMO : One factor to consider is that Spain has massive plans for a high speed rail network. At around 2025 all major Iberian coastal cities (including Lisbo
59 Stirling : EXCELLENT, being that I am in MAD, that means less of a chance that I might run into you. Were you arrested or something once in Madrid?, because for
60 IBERIA747 : Stirling, Thanks for your comments...you just made it into my respected users list. I hope you feel at home in our country...and of course, I hope Mad
61 767-332ER : Definitely no need to attack my city (ATL) as it is a great city to live in and plus, and may I remind that the point of the post is not to attack th
62 Lockheed1011 : IBERIA747 , I hope Spain gets the Olympics too. I love Spain, especially Galicia. The only thing I am disappointed with is the AVE. Is way behind sche
63 Arcano : Actually, USA did that in 12 years with Los Angeles and Atlanta, so let's stay cool and try to keep objective in the arguments we are using. I actual
64 PPVRA : "Madri" is how it is spelled in Portuguese. Little confusion there. Completely agree. However, I would be careful when comparing MAD with ATL (airpor
65 Stirling : You're point is well taken. In my own defense, I become ever so frustrated with other people's insinuation that Spain is the doormat of Europe; a thi
66 Post contains images Glidepath73 : Mejor sí! Maybe better!
67 767-332ER : If we could just focus on the growth of Barajas... Question I have...when was the last time that they used the old runway 36R-18L? When will they chan
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