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Toronto-Delhi Nonstop Possible?  
User currently offlineFlydc10 From Mexico, joined Aug 2004, 82 posts, RR: 0
Posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 6329 times:

Helo

I was wondering is it possible to fly nonstop with an a343 from toronto to delhi in india, without any payload restrictions

Regards

Flydc10


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User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 1, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 6302 times:

I would think it would be possible, but AC has apparently had some trouble with it.

6297nm is not very far.

N


User currently offlineFLYACYYZ From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 1914 posts, RR: 12
Reply 2, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 6256 times:

AC054 flies daily YYZ/DEL without payload restrictions. The challenge is the westbound sector AC055, which has a routine passenger load restriction to avoid last years unpopular practice of tech-stopping at ARN. Don't have the exact number, but the aircraft which can carry 282 (30J/252Y), I believe is capped at 250 pax.


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User currently offlineYUL332LX From Canada, joined Feb 2004, 820 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 6090 times:

DEL-YYZ is a real nightmare for non-rev.


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User currently offlineFLYACYYZ From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 1914 posts, RR: 12
Reply 4, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 6082 times:

DELHI anywhere is a real nightmare for non-revs.


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User currently offlineB747-437B From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 6066 times:

Quoting FLYACYYZ (Reply 4):
DELHI anywhere is a real nightmare for non-revs.

With ~40 daily flights on the Delhi to Mumbai route nowadays between AI/IC/9W/S2/DN, I'd say that one route might just be an exception to your rule!  Wink


User currently offlineCPH-R From Denmark, joined May 2001, 6005 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 6050 times:

Well, that depends on the wx I suppose - we've heard our fair share of horror stories re: DEL & fog :P

Is AC still prohibited from overflying Russian territory?


User currently offlineYUL332LX From Canada, joined Feb 2004, 820 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 5960 times:

Quoting CPH-R (Reply 6):
Is AC still prohibited from overflying Russian territory

Nope.



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User currently offlineKtachiya From Japan, joined Sep 2004, 1794 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 5689 times:

Quoting YUL332LX (Reply 7):
Is AC still prohibited from overflying Russian territory

Well, if this was the case, then the flights from Asia-Europe will have many difficulties.

Really? There are no payload restrictions on this? I was talking to an AC F/O while spotting because he was there (flying A340) and he said something like there are weight restrictions on the DEL-YYZ run.

Again, I might be completely wrong.



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User currently offlineLymanm From Canada, joined Jan 2001, 1138 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 5642 times:

Ktachiya -

In reply 2, FLYACYYZ mentions that there is indeed a weight restriction on AC 55, the westbound sector.



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User currently offlineKaran69 From India, joined Oct 2004, 2891 posts, RR: 18
Reply 10, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 5557 times:

Any news on when/if this sector will shift to an A345, altough some previous legs were done on the A345, when will it permanently become a route which will be carried on by the A345---which IMO should solve all payload issues

User currently offlineFLYACYYZ From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 1914 posts, RR: 12
Reply 11, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 5477 times:

The 2 A345's in service are currently deployed on YYZ-HKG-YYZ daily service. During off peak periods through the winter, should the HKG frequency be reduced, the aircraft operate to DEL subject to aircraft availability. DEL saw the 345's I believe twice weekly through Dec/Jan.


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User currently offlineOurboeing From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 475 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 5455 times:

I have flown this particular route non-stop on AC (YYZ-DEL-YYZ). Its a loooooong flight but overall saves you a lot of time. If AC can teach some customer service to their flight crews and change the aircraft type, I would fly them again.

Cheers..


OURBOEING


User currently offlineACDC8 From Canada, joined Mar 2005, 7642 posts, RR: 36
Reply 13, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 5449 times:

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Canada3000 fly non-stop between YYZ and DEL with an A340-313X? Or was their a tech stop on the way?


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User currently offlineKtachiya From Japan, joined Sep 2004, 1794 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 5025 times:

Quoting ACDC8 (Reply 13):
Canada3000 fly non-stop between YYZ and DEL with an A340-313X?

Are you sure? Did Canada3000 have A340? I thought they only had A330's.



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User currently offlineSebring From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 1663 posts, RR: 14
Reply 15, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 4896 times:

Air Canada's new widebody order will be announced shortly - within the next eight weeks and maybe sooner - and that will clarify a lot about how the fleet will be deployed. AC is looking at growth opportunities to China (YYZ-PVG), to India (YYZ-BOM) and more frequencies or larger aircraft on some existing routes. In those two instances, bilateral negotiations currently under way would have to sanction what AC is hoping to do. The aircraft order will either bring in a lot of A340-600HGWs, which have a longer range than the 343 and would be able to do YYZ-DEL in either direction without payload penalities, or will bring in Boeing 777s, probably the 777-300ER and 777-200LR. In the airline's just released annual report, it says that relying on used aircraft for growth is no longer feasible, and the growth widebodies it needs will come from the pending order.

It would be better to wait for that order to be announced before speculating on AC's capability on any given long-haul international route.


User currently offlineJean Leloup From Canada, joined Apr 2001, 2116 posts, RR: 19
Reply 16, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 4892 times:

ACDC8,

My memory is foggy about what use C3000 got out of their (one) A340. I believe nonstops both ways were planned, but I seem to remember something about tech stops at SNN or something on the DEL-YYZ route. However, I might be confused, because I think that C3000 briefly used their A330's on one-stop routes to Iindia, as well. Stopping IN LGW, I think, but I'm not 100% sure.

So it could be that their A340 was flying non-stop both ways (no cargo, perhaps?), and that the stops were just for the A330's. However, one thing that should be pointed out is that either way, C3000 only had their A340 for about 6 weeks before they went belly-up. So in any case, they did not get much experience on these routes.

I'm confident that someone will correct me on my erros above. Big grin


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User currently offlineFLYACYYZ From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 1914 posts, RR: 12
Reply 17, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 3755 times:

Quoting Ourboeing (Reply 12):
If AC can teach some customer service to their flight crews and change the aircraft type, I would fly them again

As far as the aircraft type goes, once the fleet is equipped with enhanced IFE (it's on the way), it will certainly upgrade the in-flight experience.

Always laugh at these blanket statements regarding crews and customer service. It's all in the chemistry. You put 14 people together and you have the good, the bad, the old, the young on most carriers. Proud to say most of my customers disembark with praise and thanks, and often follow up letters. How many times have you flown the route or the airline that you can make such a generalized and blanket statement??



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User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16285 posts, RR: 56
Reply 18, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 3654 times:

Quoting Jean Leloup (Reply 16):
My memory is foggy about what use C3000 got out of their (one) A340. I believe nonstops both ways were planned, but I seem to remember something about tech stops at SNN or something on the DEL-YYZ route. However, I might be confused, because I think that C3000 briefly used their A330's on one-stop routes to Iindia, as well. Stopping IN LGW, I think, but I'm not 100% sure.

So it could be that their A340 was flying non-stop both ways (no cargo, perhaps?), and that the stops were just for the A330's.

If memory serves Adam, C3 planned a weekly YYZ-DEL and YVR-DEL with the 343, and a weekly YYZ-LGW-BOM with the 332. The 332 BOM service did not commence. The YYZ-DEL service did commence in Oct 2001. I recall the CDG refueling was planned if needed but the flight was nonstop at least once. Anyway, C3 collapsed weeks later. Angus Kinnear (CEO) was on the initial flight from YYZ.

That C3 343 now flies with Air Tahiti Nui. My parents flew with ATN in 2003 and flew that specific aircraft which still had C3 interior.



Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16285 posts, RR: 56
Reply 19, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 3615 times:

Quoting FLYACYYZ (Reply 17):
Always laugh at these blanket statements regarding crews and customer service. It's all in the chemistry. You put 14 people together and you have the good, the bad, the old, the young on most carriers. Proud to say most of my customers disembark with praise and thanks, and often follow up letters.

I agree with Rod here. Despite my dismay with the financial and mgmt problems at AC, I find their inflight service superb. I have never witnessed an unpleasant FA.



Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineB747-437B From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 3613 times:

Quoting Yyz717 (Reply 19):
I find their inflight service superb

I'll go one step further and state that AC's entire inflight product will be the best in the world, bar none, once the planned refurbishment of the fleet is completed. They have done a fantastic job redeveloping that product and should rightly be proud of it.


User currently offlineAseem From India, joined Feb 2005, 2046 posts, RR: 10
Reply 21, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 3569 times:

I happen to be fortunate enough to fly AC's A345 on AC055 DEL-YYZ Jan 05. It was their C-GKOL.

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Believe me their A343 are a big pain for such a long flight, I was happy I got A345 on return leg.
As somebody pointed out, AC need to improve their customer service. Gentleman sitting next to me was promptly told they have just Beer and Wine, thankfully he was experienced enough to bring his own Vodka. One of the lavatory was sealed for whatever reason and F/A's were having hard time with IFE.
No complains about it being non-stop though. I'm sure it will remain AC's cash cow.
rgds
Aseem

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[Edited 2005-03-23 02:00:24]

[Edited 2005-03-23 02:00:51]


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User currently offlineDalecary From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 3544 times:

As Sebring suggested,

AC seems to be on the verge of embracing several ULH routes to Australia,China and India. This was reported in this week's FI. FI actually stated the order was b/w 345 and 772LR, with a need for around 8 frames(although this was not confirmed by the airline). The order has long been touted for a Q2 2005 announcement and would seem to be between 787/772LR/773ER and 350/345/346HGW.
I believe Boeing has offered to buyback all AC's Airbus WB fleet(333,343,345) in a bid to win the whole order. This has not been officially announced but has been mentioned on the Orders forum.


User currently offlineMark_D. From Canada, joined Aug 2001, 1447 posts, RR: 5
Reply 23, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 3464 times:

Yyz717-- I have never witnessed an unpleasant [AC] FA.

Never ever? Really?!

I have! (well not that unpleasant, but more just overly nonchalant or preoccupied with something else, or what-have-you).

The situation does seem to have gotten better in that regard ever since the restructuring effort, though.

B747-437B once the planned refurbishment of the fleet is completed.

Yeah definitely. I recently talked with two Glasgow-university-attending-but-round-the-world-traveling-during-six-months-time-off-in-the-meantime Brisbaner lads who flew into YVR on AC and were none too pleased with the shape of the plane's interior. They did enjoy their WestJet subsequent YYC-YUL flight instead though, particularly since the plane was one with the LiveTV screens installed and running.


User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16285 posts, RR: 56
Reply 24, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 3399 times:

Quoting Dalecary (Reply 22):
FI actually stated the order was b/w 345 and 772LR, with a need for around 8 frames(although this was not confirmed by the airline). The order has long been touted for a Q2 2005 announcement and would seem to be between 787/772LR/773ER and 350/345/346HGW.
I believe Boeing has offered to buyback all AC's Airbus WB fleet(333,343,345) in a bid to win the whole order.

That would be a huge coup for Boeing. To say the least.

Quoting Mark_D. (Reply 23):
Yyz717-- I have never witnessed an unpleasant [AC] FA.

Never ever? Really?!

I have! (well not that unpleasant, but more just overly nonchalant or preoccupied with something else, or what-have-you).

Not on AC. How's the blow-up doll thing coming along?  Smile



Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
25 Gigneil : Dunno how huge it'd be... AC's 333 and 343 fleets aren't tiny. They might have a hard time placing those aircraft again. N
26 Dalecary : Here's the quote from the "Orders" forum. AC doesn't seem too far away from announcing the winner of their A330, A340 and B767 replacement contest. Fr
27 Post contains images Yyz717 : The current AC 333/343/345 fleet is 21 aircraft (give or take 1 -- the 343 fleet is fluid ), but I'm thinking of a possible 777/787 joint order, whic
28 LH477 : I'll go one step further and state that AC's entire inflight product will be the best in the world, bar none, once the planned refurbishment of the fl
29 Gigneil : We're passing ships. I was referring to Boeing taking the A330/340 fleet in exchange. Boeing will have a hard time placing those aircraft with second
30 B747-437B : Don't be so sure. Boeing can flip those over to some airlines in India who are chomping at the bit for ANY widebody lift.
31 Sebring : Air Canada cannot find a decent A340-300 to lease this year beyond one that GECAS scrounged for them off Biwi if I recall, and there are no 330-300s o
32 Sebring : Actually, this was AC's RFP to both companies. AC wants to get rid of its 343s, for a number of reasons - some technical, some capacity-based - that
33 B747-437B : Even Boeing believes they have the order sewn up for all practical purposes, but they have made the same mistake with Milton before and paid for it d
34 RJ111 : I only have intuition to back this up but AC ordering a 777 just seems rediculous to me.[Edited 2005-03-23 19:10:10]
35 Yyz717 : Good summary Sebring! Makes sense. Although, I am concerned about AC wanting to repl the 343 fleet en masse with the larger and more capable 346HGW.
36 ConcordeBoy : Depends on what they'd want it for: On the lower end of the operating spectrum (few pax, fewer cargo), the lighter A333 would be the more efficient.
37 YUL332LX : You're absolutely right. For a 3000nm flight, the 333 has an TOC advantage of 16% over the T7 as per the ATA figures.
38 Sebring : I understand what you are saying, but there are a number of issues behind this. First, AC has a few routes where it operates multiple frequencies to
39 Dalecary : That's very true Sebring. But I think there is ample evidence that the new aggressive Boeing marketing/sales team is doing all they can to price matc
40 Post contains images AirbusfanYYZ : Some very interesting points have been raised here and makes for very interesting reading. My own personal opinion is that AC will probably make a spl
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