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Red-eye Turns?  
User currently offlineGnomon From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (9 years 8 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 1970 times:

A recent red-eye from LAS to ATL on Delta sparked this question about crew scheduling.

On DL249, which departed LAS at 2250 local and arrived ATL around 0540 local (slightly behind schedule), the LAX-based flight crew started their trip in LAS. I didn't see the ATL-based cabin crew prior to departure.

I'm wondering what a typical red-eye schedule looks like for both cockpit and cabin crew on a legacy carrier. In another thread, a B6 F/A indicated that B6 crews actually do red-eye turns, but that DL, AA, etc., don't schedule their crews that way.

Generally speaking, do crews usually terminate after a red-eye? I'd note that on arrival in ATL the cabin crew looked absolutely exhausted, suggesting possibly that they had done a turn in LAS and didn't originate there with the flight crew.

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User currently offlineJetjack74 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 7416 posts, RR: 50
Reply 1, posted (9 years 8 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 1899 times:
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Usually a redeye turn is when a crew departs from the east coast to a west coast city, turns around goes back east on the redeye. That's at least how it works at NW. Our contract prohibits the company from scheduling it the other way around like you suspect with DL. Maybe the LA based crew was going to layover during the day and work an evening flight to LA. Do you know if there was a deadhead crew on there.

[Edited 2005-03-22 18:39:54]


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User currently offlineGnomon From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (9 years 8 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 1833 times:

JetJack74 --

Interesting. Thanks for the info.

I didn't see a deadhead crew. I walked with the cockpit crew landside for a while, so I know they started their trip with the red-eye. Maybe the cabin crew arrived from the East Coast and was terminating in ATL?


User currently offlineVulindlela744 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 525 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (9 years 8 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 1791 times:

I am a f/a with AirTran and have done the ATL-LAS-ATL trip many times. We start in ATL will fly to Vegas and then right back to ATL. It's a tough trip in my opinion.

User currently offlineB6FA4ever From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 818 posts, RR: 11
Reply 4, posted (9 years 8 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 1697 times:

yeah...i've done those before. honestly...its not TOO bad. once your body gets used to it. the crew that works our JFK-ONT flight turns right around back to JFK. its like a 12 something hour night. but again, if you're used to it its not too bad.

also it saves a bit of money for the company because thats less hotel rooms they have to dish out on. since pilots have that 8 hr max block flying time they layover in ONT (or wherever else). but FA's can go much longer.

~B6FA4ever


User currently offlineAA717driver From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 1566 posts, RR: 13
Reply 5, posted (9 years 8 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 1588 times:

At TWA, the FA's had turns like that from STL to the West Coast. The pilots did it for awhile on the 717 from STL-PHX-STL. Funny, there was a very high number of sick calls on that pairing...TC


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User currently offlineNWCOflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2003, 692 posts, RR: 14
Reply 6, posted (9 years 8 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 1547 times:

Seems like a bit mich JFK-ONT-JFK in one day! I know NW f/a's who do MSP-LAX-MSP, and DTW-PHX-DTW. I give them a lot of credit for doing with a smile, God knows I couldn't do that.


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User currently offlineAirlineBrat From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 657 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (9 years 8 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 1513 times:

Yeah but you work a 12-36 hour trip then you have a couple of days off.
I worked a summer on the Westours-Holland America section of the Alaska Railroad as a bartender. We left Anchorage at 8am and pulled into Fairbanks around 8pm. Spent the night in Fairbanks. Left Fbks at 8am and returned into Anchorage at 8pm. Then we had one or often 2 days off and do another round trip. You get used to it. The best part is that you are only working 3-4 days a week, albeit long days, but you have lots of time to chill out in-between trips. I figure it would be the same with flight crews. What is the average number of hours that crews (cockpit/cabin) work a week? I take it there is a big difference between the legacies, commuter carriers, LCC's and overseas.

Cheers!



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User currently offlineSunking737 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2057 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (9 years 8 months 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 1485 times:

We do red eyes at SY, It came about because we were short a plane and wanted to keep the pax happy, and not cancel the flights.
The F/As seems to like it. The ones I have talked with bid it, then you have the reserve F/A who get stuck with it and they don't seem happy. Oh well, that's life.

The red eyes seem to be popular with the passengers as we will have a few more this summer.

Last year a crew member talking with another employee called her flight the "pink" eye, and a Hollywood type was near by and stated to have a fit, saying "I won't fly with someone who is sick" what a jerk. Can't say his name but he is a has been anyway.



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User currently offlineFA4B6 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (9 years 8 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 1410 times:

Quoting NWCOflyer (Reply 6):
Seems like a bit mich JFK-ONT-JFK in one day! I know NW f/a's who do MSP-LAX-MSP, and DTW-PHX-DTW. I give them a lot of credit for doing with a smile, God knows I couldn't do that.

And also, they're productive .. that might also be the reason for the smile  Wink Us B6 FA's loooove our productivity and when ONT became a redeye turn, no one seemed to mind because that means more in and out. I was a lil preturbed because I love our layover hotel there  Wink


User currently offlineGnomon From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (9 years 8 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 1347 times:

They're definitely popular with the pax. My flight (a 763) was nearly full. And the 0030 departure to ATL, operated by a 757, was sold out.

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