PANAM_DC10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 3987 posts, RR: 93 Posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 1957 times:
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I was reading a recent "Aircraft Value Review" on the A318 and the outlook for residual values of this airplane. What I found interesting was the following quote;
America West [AWA] is the latest customer to indicate that it will not take the 15 aircraft that Airbus still lists as being on order. The engine manufacturer is now seeking to secure placement with the 15 A318s ordered by Iberia as part of the carrier's order for 76 A320 family memeber. Unfortunately,Iberia already operates a fleet of A320s powered by the competing CFM56
As I understood, HP have the right to outright cancel the A318 under certain conditions. I have not heard anything or seen any Public announcement by HP on this. Have they publicly indicated that they won't take the A318s? Also, I assume the engine manufacturer mentioned is PW, correct?
Any update on HPs intention with regard to the A318 would be appreciated.
HZ747300 From Hong Kong, joined Mar 2004, 1596 posts, RR: 0 Reply 1, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 1925 times:
The orders were converted to A320s and A319s, I believe. Essentially, they have stated outright that they will not take the A318, but I do not think that they had to cancel the order all together.
ERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6626 posts, RR: 19 Reply 2, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 1908 times:
A388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9067 posts, RR: 13 Reply 3, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 1900 times:
In below link you will find a press release stating America West's cancellation of the A318. More specifically it's the following sentence:
"In the context of this incremental order, America West also secured extensive flexibility from Airbus with respect to its existing A318 order, allowing the airline to better react to market conditions by enabling it to amend its 15 A318 delivery positions to A319s and A320s, if it so desires, or to no additional aircraft under certain conditions."
A388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9067 posts, RR: 13 Reply 4, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 1876 times:
Reading the press release more carefully, it says America West has amended the A318 order in favour of more A320/319 aircraft. So it's not a real cancellation. HZ747300 is right
PANAM_DC10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 3987 posts, RR: 93 Reply 5, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 1645 times:
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Quoting A388 (Reply 4): Reading the press release more carefully, it says America West has amended the A318 order in favour of more A320/319 aircraft. So it's not a real cancellation. HZ747300 is right
Thank you for the replies. I had seen this press release and until I read the other article today I had not seen any other reports. I had assumed HP had renegotiated the order but had not made a final decision on what to do. Which is why I asked and if you'll permit, one more question.
Have HP actually confirmed how many of the A318s have been converted to A319/320 series yet, if any? Or, have they actually confirmed they'll cancel the A318 outright? I assume they must have done one or the other given the engine manufacturer is reportedly seeking to place what was for HP. However I have not seen any further announcement from HP, yet.
N1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 25852 posts, RR: 80 Reply 6, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 1619 times:
Quoting PANAM_DC10 (Reply 5): Have HP actually confirmed how many of the A318s have been converted to A319/320 series yet, if any? Or, have they actually confirmed they'll cancel the A318 outright?
All of the A318s have been converted or canceled
Quoting PANAM_DC10 (Reply 5): I assume they must have done one or the other given the engine manufacturer is reportedly seeking to place what was for HP
HP ordered their A318s with the PW6000, which has basically failed in every respect possible. The reason for that order was the fact that they already had the related IAE V2500 on their A32S planes and that the PW6000 was supposed to be significantly more efficient on the A318 than the CFM56 (certainly efficient enough to make the A318 more competitive). This is the same reason BA dumped their A318 orders.
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737-990 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 364 posts, RR: 1 Reply 8, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 1585 times:
With the changing airline economics it is unlikely you will see many orders for this type of aircraft, for that matter the same can be said of the 736. It's interesting to see the debate over at Continental over the fate of the 735 and relate it to the A318 and 736. The only clear benefit these 100 seat airliners have is fleet commonality within their respective families. Given the present seat mile cost airlines will more than likely opt for the larger but almost equal cost A319 and 73G. In the case of HP, it can already serve smaller markets and thin routes with the 86 seat CRJ-900, or upgrade the equipment to the 122 seat A319 if demand warrants. Having an aircraft in the middle is pointless and costly.
Frugalqxnwa From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 565 posts, RR: 1 Reply 9, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 1409 times:
Quoting 737-990 (Reply 8): Having an aircraft in the middle is pointless and costly.
Not if its a 717!!
Sorry, couldn't resist. The E190 would fill that gap in capacity nicely as well, and has commonality with the E170 70-seater.
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