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CO From IAH To FRA?  
User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5922 posts, RR: 40
Posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 4419 times:

when will CO reopen the IAH route from FRA again? Without a problem they could fill up B767-400 on the route, but for beginning it woul be better to use the B767-200. There are enough passengers for the route in special including the transferpax to LatinAmerica and Cargo.

Any chance to get the flight 2006?

regards
Avianca


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User currently offlineCory6188 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2686 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 4411 times:

I would bet that CO would love to have the route, but they simply don't have enough widebodies to start it. As it is, they are stretching their widebody fleet as much as possible, and they are sending many more 752s over the Atlantic. Even EWR-LGW has one!

User currently offlineNewark777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 9348 posts, RR: 30
Reply 2, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 4403 times:

It doesn't help either with that 777 out with the tail strike.

Harry



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User currently offlineSabena332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 4402 times:

Quoting Avianca (Thread starter):
when will CO reopen the IAH route from FRA again?

Did they already fly FRA-IAH in the past? What equipment did they use? Sorry but somehow I never heard about these flights.

I agree that they could easily fill up a 762/764 on this route, currently they are expanding very quick, maybe FRA-IAH is on the plan for next year.

Patrick


User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 4388 times:

That, and IAH-MAD would be another winner no doubt.

User currently offlineNewark777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 9348 posts, RR: 30
Reply 5, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 4374 times:

Quoting ConcordeBoy (Reply 4):
That, and IAH-MAD would be another winner no doubt.

That's probably why they fly it already, CO 62/63.  Wink

Harry



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User currently offlineSabena332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 4360 times:

Quoting Newark777 (Reply 5):
That's probably why they fly it already, CO 62/63.

These flights are IAH-EWR-MAD v.v. and not nonstop if I remeber correct.

Patrick


User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5922 posts, RR: 40
Reply 7, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 4363 times:

Quoting Sabena332 (Reply 3):
Did they already fly FRA-IAH in the past? What equipment did they use? Sorry but somehow I never heard about these flights.

I am checking this, after your question I am also not more 100% sure. I know 100% that they operated DUS-EWR and MUC-EWR in the past....

Let me check the issue with the FRA-IAH flight...

regards



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User currently offlineNewark777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 9348 posts, RR: 30
Reply 8, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 4347 times:

Quoting Sabena332 (Reply 6):
These flights are IAH-EWR-MAD v.v. and not nonstop if I remeber correct.

Ok, just checked again, I stand corrected.  Sad

Harry



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User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5922 posts, RR: 40
Reply 9, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 4342 times:

Quoting Sabena332 (Reply 6):
ese flights are IAH-EWR-MAD v.v. and not nonstop if I remeber correct.

also the FRA flight in the moment is FRA-EWR-IAH with same flight number, but mostly with aircraft change in EWR.



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User currently offlineSabena332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 4340 times:

Quoting Avianca (Reply 7):
I know 100% that they operated DUS-EWR and MUC-EWR in the past....

Too bad that they quit DUS-EWR, CO was well known for a great variety of aircraft types in DUS. They sent the DC-10, the 764, the 762 and also the 752.

Patrick


User currently offlineCALMSP From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3924 posts, RR: 7
Reply 11, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 4097 times:

actually the 75 ewr-lgw is only an additional flt


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User currently offlineFraT From Germany, joined Sep 2003, 1106 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 4079 times:

Without additional 767s or 777s we won't see service from FRA or MAD to IAH. All aircrafts will be needed for the new routes to China and LOS.
So my only hope is that the oil prices will go down and CO will be able to get some more widebodies for these routes.


User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5922 posts, RR: 40
Reply 13, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 3947 times:

it seems that CO never served FRA nonstop from IAH.

Before 09/11 CO served daily DUS from EWR, and daily FRA with B777 (FRA).
After 09/11 CO canceled DUS and downgreaded FRA to B767-200.

regards
Avianca



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User currently offlineCALMSP From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3924 posts, RR: 7
Reply 14, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 3902 times:

FRA is now a 777....it switches so often from a 764-777.


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User currently offlinePhilhyde From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 678 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 3869 times:

What about LH440 IAH-FRA and how would the load factors on that flight justify (or not) any additional IAH-FRA flights?

Just a thought...

Phil
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User currently offlineCALMSP From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3924 posts, RR: 7
Reply 16, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 3836 times:

thats one reason why i feel MAD would be served first.....why jump into somethign where we would be competing directly with someone? downtown isn't that dumb.


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User currently offlineFraT From Germany, joined Sep 2003, 1106 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 3832 times:

Quoting Avianca (Reply 13):
After 09/11 CO canceled DUS and downgreaded FRA to B767-200

FRA-EWR was never flown with a 762. It always was a 764 after the downgrade from a 777. Good to see the 777 back in FRA this summer.


User currently offlineGodBless From Sweden, joined Apr 2000, 2752 posts, RR: 16
Reply 18, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 3748 times:

Quoting FraT (Reply 17):
FRA-EWR was never flown with a 762.

Just have a look at the pictures from 2005 alone:

Boeing 777-200: (January 6, 2005)

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Boeing 767-400: (February 7, 2005)

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Boeing 767-200: (January 23, 2005)

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When was it that CO flew EWR-FRA double-daily? Must have been around 1996 or so.

Max


User currently offlineAvek00 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 4336 posts, RR: 19
Reply 19, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 3691 times:

I wouldn't be so sure that CO would make a killing on IAH-FRA - part of any success depends on which side of the Atlantic generates most of the traffic. Methinks that most of the O&D traffic on that route comes from the European side, making it more feasible for LH to operate than CO.


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User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5922 posts, RR: 40
Reply 20, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 3688 times:

Quoting FraT (Reply 17):
FRA-EWR was never flown with a 762.

I have a official letter of CO Cargo that they downgraded the EWR flight after 09/11 to 762.

Yes i also think they had the double daily to EWR from Frankfurt in the mid-90s.



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User currently offlineKlwright69 From Saudi Arabia, joined Jan 2000, 2017 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 3543 times:

Yes, CO had double daily EWR--FRA. It was flight 50 and flight 58.

User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 22, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 3544 times:

Its odd that CO has yet to introduce the long promised IAH-FRA nonstop flight; it likely would be very successful on both an O&D basis (connecting the business centers in Texas with Germany) and on a connecting basis due to the power of CO's Houston hub. There were strong rumors that IAH would get nonstop service to Frankfurt and Madrid a few years ago - those cities would complement the then existing nonstops out of IAH to London and Paris.

A couple of things happened:

- CO said it was waiting for the new international facilities at IAH to be operational. The facilities have opened but no new flights from IAH to Europe have been announced.
- CO has been very successful on its European flights out of EWR which keep a good portion of the CO 767/777 fleet very busy. The latest round of expansion focuses on 757 transatlantic services, but most existing European destinations are served with wide-body aircraft on a tight schedule, some with double daily service.
- CO aligned with KLM and now CO is a SkyTeam member, thus IAH-Amsterdam was added so that CO could take advantage of the KL hub at AMS (now EWR-AMS will be double daily and IAH-AMS on certain days has two flights.) The focus on AMS has made Frankfurt less intersting to CO - Frankfurt is Star Alliance territory - connections to Europe and the world are now offered by CO via AMS, few connections could be offered via FRA since CO does not have alliance partners there.
- The difficult US visa regulations also affected CO's plans for a European expansion out of IAH - CO hoped to promote IAH as a connecting point for latin american travellers going on to Europe (as an alternative to MIA).....many travellers from latin america now avoid stopovers in the USA due to the visa regs and try to travel via Canada, Mexico or go direct to Europe where possible. The visa regs certainly put the IAH-MAD flight on the back burner (CO wanted to tap into the large market travelling from central america to Spain) and also made the IAH-FRA flight less interesting.
- And, as pointed out, CO's 767 and 777 fleet are already operating on rather intense schedules, especially during the peak summer seasons - new flights to China out of EWR are planned, not to mention the EWR-Lagos service (and possibly EWR-Moscow) that is in the works all of which need 767/777 aircraft. Thus far, CO has been unwilling to invest in more widebody aircraft (other than the order for the 787s).....so IAH-FRA is on hold. There are rumors that CO may downgrade EWR-GVA from a 762 to a 757, or operate EWR-DUB with double daily 757s instead of the 764 which would free up widebody aircraft, but so far those ideas remain rumors.

I think that CO will announce this route in time, the question is when?


User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5922 posts, RR: 40
Reply 23, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 3472 times:

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 22):
The focus on AMS has made Frankfurt less intersting to CO - Frankfurt is Star Alliance territory -

yes Fra is Star territory, but never forget that the area round of Frankfurt is still full with Us-American soldiers. Flights are heavy booked with passengers relating to the US-Army.

regards



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