Avianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5939 posts, RR: 35 Posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 4876 times:
when will CO reopen the IAH route from FRA again? Without a problem they could fill up B767-400 on the route, but for beginning it woul be better to use the B767-200. There are enough passengers for the route in special including the transferpax to LatinAmerica and Cargo.
Cory6188 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2716 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 4868 times:
I would bet that CO would love to have the route, but they simply don't have enough widebodies to start it. As it is, they are stretching their widebody fleet as much as possible, and they are sending many more 752s over the Atlantic. Even EWR-LGW has one!
FraT From Germany, joined Sep 2003, 1107 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 4536 times:
Without additional 767s or 777s we won't see service from FRA or MAD to IAH. All aircrafts will be needed for the new routes to China and LOS.
So my only hope is that the oil prices will go down and CO will be able to get some more widebodies for these routes.
Avek00 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 4463 posts, RR: 20
Reply 19, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 4148 times:
I wouldn't be so sure that CO would make a killing on IAH-FRA - part of any success depends on which side of the Atlantic generates most of the traffic. Methinks that most of the O&D traffic on that route comes from the European side, making it more feasible for LH to operate than CO.
Dutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 56
Reply 22, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 4001 times:
Its odd that CO has yet to introduce the long promised IAH-FRA nonstop flight; it likely would be very successful on both an O&D basis (connecting the business centers in Texas with Germany) and on a connecting basis due to the power of CO's Houston hub. There were strong rumors that IAH would get nonstop service to Frankfurt and Madrid a few years ago - those cities would complement the then existing nonstops out of IAH to London and Paris.
A couple of things happened:
- CO said it was waiting for the new international facilities at IAH to be operational. The facilities have opened but no new flights from IAH to Europe have been announced.
- CO has been very successful on its European flights out of EWR which keep a good portion of the CO 767/777 fleet very busy. The latest round of expansion focuses on 757 transatlantic services, but most existing European destinations are served with wide-body aircraft on a tight schedule, some with double daily service.
- CO aligned with KLM and now CO is a SkyTeam member, thus IAH-Amsterdam was added so that CO could take advantage of the KL hub at AMS (now EWR-AMS will be double daily and IAH-AMS on certain days has two flights.) The focus on AMS has made Frankfurt less intersting to CO - Frankfurt is Star Alliance territory - connections to Europe and the world are now offered by CO via AMS, few connections could be offered via FRA since CO does not have alliance partners there.
- The difficult US visa regulations also affected CO's plans for a European expansion out of IAH - CO hoped to promote IAH as a connecting point for latin american travellers going on to Europe (as an alternative to MIA).....many travellers from latin america now avoid stopovers in the USA due to the visa regs and try to travel via Canada, Mexico or go direct to Europe where possible. The visa regs certainly put the IAH-MAD flight on the back burner (CO wanted to tap into the large market travelling from central america to Spain) and also made the IAH-FRA flight less interesting.
- And, as pointed out, CO's 767 and 777 fleet are already operating on rather intense schedules, especially during the peak summer seasons - new flights to China out of EWR are planned, not to mention the EWR-Lagos service (and possibly EWR-Moscow) that is in the works all of which need 767/777 aircraft. Thus far, CO has been unwilling to invest in more widebody aircraft (other than the order for the 787s).....so IAH-FRA is on hold. There are rumors that CO may downgrade EWR-GVA from a 762 to a 757, or operate EWR-DUB with double daily 757s instead of the 764 which would free up widebody aircraft, but so far those ideas remain rumors.
I think that CO will announce this route in time, the question is when?