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A-380 45 Minutes To Deplane The Monster?  
User currently offlineDAYflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 3807 posts, RR: 3
Posted (9 years 6 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 12842 times:

An interesting read.

45 minutes to get off the plane when it gets to the gate.

http://www.aviationplanning.com/asrc1.htm#More%20Fallout


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User currently offlineOzGlobal From France, joined Nov 2004, 2721 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (9 years 6 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 12820 times:

Been discussed. Do a search.


When all's said and done, there'll be more said than done.
User currently offlineBill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 8451 posts, RR: 8
Reply 2, posted (9 years 6 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 12797 times:

Not if they do it emergency evauation style after every flight.

User currently offlineSabena332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (9 years 6 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 12786 times:

I needed often enough 45 or even more minutes to deplane a 747 when I sat in the rear of the plane (I sit there usually with my girlfriend when we are flying Eco because the seat layout there is 2-4-2 instead of 3-4-3).

Patrick

Edit: Typo

[Edited 2005-03-23 00:18:37]

User currently offlineJetBlueAtJFK From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 1687 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (9 years 6 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 12770 times:

Wow, remember to book a seat near the front, I would have to b/c when it takes like 10 minutes at the gate I start to get a little annoyed b/c it is taking so long. Plus international deboarding takes long b/c of more stuff then the size of this hippo, you have to add like an hour to your arrival time just to get a true estimate.

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User currently offlineA340600 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2003, 4105 posts, RR: 51
Reply 5, posted (9 years 6 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 12754 times:

Then, your luggage might actually be there for you when you get off Wink

Sam



Despite the name I am a Boeing man through and through!
User currently onlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6771 posts, RR: 17
Reply 6, posted (9 years 6 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 12724 times:

Would you be able to get a drink at the bar, a massage in the parlor, a romp in the sex club, and a workout in the gym while waiting to deplane? That is the least they could do while you wait..


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User currently offlineDarrell From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 236 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (9 years 6 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 12722 times:

Quoting OzGlobal (Reply 1):
Been discussed. Do a search.

Thanks Captain Obvious! Just because something has been discussed in the past doesn't mean we can't discuss it again. If you think about it, pretty much everything related to aviation has been discussed here already. Besides, just because you saw it discussed, doesn't mean the rest of us did.

How long is it supposed to take to load up an A-380? Assuming its a full flight?



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User currently offlineIowa744Fan From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 931 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (9 years 6 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 12725 times:

It is good to see such an unbiased article *insert sarcasm here*.  Smile

True, it is going to take a while to unload this thing, but I really question the 45 minute figure. Perhaps if it is the high-density version with 800 or so passengers, but I find this to be rather high. Given that most airlines so far have specified that they will only have around 500 passengers (Emirates did present some higher-cap configs.), this is only about 100-150 more than on most 744s. Does anyone have any idea how long on average it takes to unload a 744? Also, what are the layouts of most A380 customers like with regards to class type on the two decks? I need to search the other posts for a link. I would imagine that more of the upper deck would be first and business and thus there would be fewer passengers on the upper deck. I would imagine that two jetways in the front for the lower part and one jetway to the front door on the upper deck would allow the 380 to be unloaded in times similar to the 744. However, this is only my speculation with regard to cabin layouts and I am not stating this as a truth or a fact.

Another note, most flights using this aircraft are going to be international. Granted many new airports have improved, but are you really that anxious to get off and into the line for immigration?


User currently offlineDAYflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 3807 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (9 years 6 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 12705 times:

Quoting Sabena332 (Reply 3):
needed often enough 45 or even more minutes to deplane a 747 when I sat in the rear of the plane

I can see how that can happen. Can you immagine an A-380 in an all coach configuration? You could read "War and Peace" before you got off the plane.
 Big grin



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User currently onlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6771 posts, RR: 17
Reply 10, posted (9 years 6 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 12704 times:

Quoting Darrell (Reply 7):
How long is it supposed to take to load up an A-380? Assuming its a full flight?

Can you imagine how many zones it would take to load an A380.. now calling zone W... Zone W...



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User currently offlineSabena332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (9 years 6 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 12674 times:

Oh, and I would prefer to deboard an A 380 with 555 seats than a 747 with 580 seats (Corsair is operating 747's in such a configuration as you can see here).

Patrick


User currently offlineAither From South Korea, joined Oct 2004, 858 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (9 years 6 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 12639 times:

Deplane time is similar to the 747 and may even be shorter as walkways are larger.
In addition, more gates can be used.


One question : are people paid on this board to constantly bash the A380 ?

[Edited 2005-03-23 00:42:30]


Never trust the obvious
User currently offlineDAYflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 3807 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (9 years 6 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 12587 times:

Quoting Aither (Reply 12):
In addition, more gates can be used.

This is the point of the article; this is very inefficient to use more gates, so the airlines and airports are not thrilled at this prospect. Use more gates, the fewer gates you have availabe for other revenue producing flights and so on and so forth.

He is also saying that the airports are not thrilled with the extra expense of using the 4 ramps going to the plane (used to speed up both the boarding/deplaning process) because these are expensive and not easily installed for a number of reasons.



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User currently onlineBraybuddy From Ireland, joined Aug 2004, 5725 posts, RR: 31
Reply 14, posted (9 years 6 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 12544 times:

If true it's just another downside of air travel. We are now told to check in three hours before departure, so I suppose we'll just have to accept an extra half hour added to a long-haul flight. As A340600 says, at least your luggage will be waiting.

User currently offlineDAYflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 3807 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (9 years 6 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 12525 times:

Quoting Aither (Reply 12):
One question : are people paid on this board to constantly bash the A380

They are paid the same amount that people get paid here to constantly trash Boeing's products.



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User currently offlinePrebennorholm From Denmark, joined Mar 2000, 6451 posts, RR: 54
Reply 16, posted (9 years 6 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 12496 times:

Well, with normal 555 pax configuration and just over 300 on the lower deck it will still be somewhat faster deboarded than for instance a B-777-300 with only one deck.

But letting 300 pax out of one door in 45 minutes = 2700 seconds, that's letting one passenger out every 9 seconds. I have never seen that low rate, not even on a cramped single aisle plane.

And I have never seen a deboarding of a 777 last 50 or 55 minutes.

The man who calculated 45 minutes must be sitting in a wheel chair.

It is polite to shake hands with the captain and thank him for a nice ride when leaving the plane. And when time allows discuss any relevant subject including weather and religion with him. But on large planes we should keep such discussions shorter than 9 seconds.



Always keep your number of landings equal to your number of take-offs, Preben Norholm
User currently offlineOzGlobal From France, joined Nov 2004, 2721 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (9 years 6 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 12479 times:

Quoting Darrell (Reply 7):
Quoting OzGlobal (Reply 1):
Been discussed. Do a search.

Thanks Captain Obvious!

You're welcome, Private Grumpy!

On a positive note, doing a search will give you instant access to a wealth of facts and the end point of much argument: leads to a much better follow-up discussion.

Quoting Aither (Reply 12):
One question : are people paid on this board to constantly bash the A380 ?

It would seem Boyd is, but his cheer squad seem to need no other reason than "it wasn't made here".



When all's said and done, there'll be more said than done.
User currently offlineLHMARK From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 7255 posts, RR: 46
Reply 18, posted (9 years 6 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 12460 times:

I like the A380, but I don't wish to wait in the check-in line to get on one, or at the baggage carousel. Ditto for the 747. I'd just as soon take a 752 across the pond.


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User currently offlineAither From South Korea, joined Oct 2004, 858 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (9 years 6 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 12444 times:

Quoting DAYflyer (Reply 13):
This is the point of the article; this is very inefficient to use more gates, so the airlines and airports are not thrilled at this prospect. Use more gates, the fewer gates you have availabe for other revenue producing flights and so on and so forth.

He is also saying that the airports are not thrilled with the extra expense of using the 4 ramps going to the plane (used to speed up both the boarding/deplaning process) because these are expensive and not easily installed for a number of reasons.

I was talking about ramps only, linked to one gate. It does not cost that much and this is the interest of airport authorities to improve quick turnover.



Never trust the obvious
User currently offlineAither From South Korea, joined Oct 2004, 858 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (9 years 6 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 12425 times:

Quoting DAYflyer (Reply 15):

Should we start statistics ?



Never trust the obvious
User currently offlinePrebennorholm From Denmark, joined Mar 2000, 6451 posts, RR: 54
Reply 21, posted (9 years 6 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 12404 times:

Just dreaming about the good old days, DC-9s and no air bridges, internal stairs up front and in the back. It took less than two minutes to deboard 115 pax.


Always keep your number of landings equal to your number of take-offs, Preben Norholm
User currently offlineAAFLT1871 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2333 posts, RR: 10
Reply 22, posted (9 years 6 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 12382 times:

At CDG this past Jan., it took me and my girlfriend that long to get off of AF 772ER (F-GSPE). Just one set of air stairs to deplane with to the remote hardstand.


Where did everybody go?
User currently onlineBraybuddy From Ireland, joined Aug 2004, 5725 posts, RR: 31
Reply 23, posted (9 years 6 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 12372 times:

Quoting LHMARK (Reply 18):
I'd just as soon take a 752 across the pond

NO WAY! I once flew over five hours on a narrowbody and never want to repeat the experience. Maybe I'm claustrophobic, but at least you can walk about or stand around the emergency exits/toilets on widebodies.


User currently offlinePrebennorholm From Denmark, joined Mar 2000, 6451 posts, RR: 54
Reply 24, posted (9 years 6 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 12342 times:

Made by:
The Boyd Group, Inc.
Advisors to the Aviation Industry
Since 1984
78 Beaver Brook Canyon Road
Evergreen, Colorado, 80439

It is so funny to watch that everything produced in the US of A is a world wonder, while everything produced elsewhere is trash.

It is so funny, but only during the first five years. After that it sometimes becomes rather boring.



Always keep your number of landings equal to your number of take-offs, Preben Norholm
25 AMSSpotter : Ah, wonderful...the Boyd Group (or should it be called Airbus Bashing Group??) found yet another (non-) argument to criticize Airbus in particular an
26 Wunala : If you dont want to wait 45 minutes to leave the A380, get a F/J ticket, or make sure that you stocked up from the bar before it closed. Personally, I
27 PHXinterrupted : Oh, is that what all this blathering is called? There is so much misinformation and BS on this site. The Boyd Group is well respected and is certainl
28 RJ111 : I found other wonderful comments on this site about Airbus.... "Earth to Airbus: low seat-mile costs measured between the time the A-380 rotates and w
29 Post contains images Darrell : How many jetways will be used to board and de-board passengers? Way back in the early 70's when jet travel was still somewhat unique, I remember seei
30 Thucydides : AMSSpotter and Sabena332: That is a pretty lame comparison, as you are talking two different configurations for two different markets. If Corsair wer
31 LTBEWR : I don't think it has taken me more than 15 minutes to get off an aircraft, including full 747's, L-1011's, DC-10's, A-340's, 707 or DC-8's, once the a
32 Mark_D. : Folks shouldn't be surprised at some of the "U.S.A.! U.S.A! U.S.A!" bleating section around there as there's a truly huge level of chauvinistic zealot
33 Revelation : So, not in the mood to read the article, eh? And ThyssenKrupp AG is an EU based company, so really it's a case of EU on EU bashing. Granted, Boyd cho
34 Jlb : My experience is that the wait is mostly in the aisles of the aircraft, not at the door/bridge. Since the a380 has the same or even more aisle capacit
35 Carpethead : It depends on if one or two boarding bridges are used. Most Asian airports are built with two airbridges because of the number of widebodies flying ar
36 Monteycarlos : who cares? When is it going to fly?!!! Just kidding, but all jokes aside 45 minutes isn't that bad.... I mean assuming its an international flight you
37 Post contains images Lehpron : Are people they getting paid to brown nose too? Either way, they may have tourettes. j/k if you know anyone with it.
38 Post contains images AMSSpotter : Naturally, they are entitled to have their own opinion. That's one of many blessings of living in a democracy. I seriously wonder, though, if Boyd Gr
39 ODAFZ : Just my 2 cents, JAL is using the 747SR on its internal services. They are configured at 500+ passengers. I have never read newspapers articles compla
40 Zonky : Not wanting to point out the obvious, but wouldn't a A380 with an upper deck gangway deplane quicker than a 747?
41 Post contains images HAWK21M : I wonder if a person slept off in an A380 someplace in the cabin,Would he be found eaisly. regds MEL
42 Qantas744 : Quote from nonsense article: "ThyssenKrupp contends a conservative stand layout with two bridges (note: a 747-type gate arrangement) ... will take 45
43 Schipholjfk : What has not been discussed at A.net over and over again? Really? Which airliner are you flying? Seems a bit odd. I have flown hundreds of times on 7
44 DAYflyer : The fact is that there will be very few A-380 with 555 seats. Most airlines will pack them in like cattle with 650 + passengers. I will be willing to
45 Airbazar : People tend to forget that deplaning time has more to do with the airport facility than with the size of the airplane. That is why airports are being
46 Corsairf/a : 45 minutes seems to me a bit long. At Corsair we can deplane in 20 minutes with only 1 door which is the case at FDF, PTP and boarding can be done in
47 Bronko : Who is saying anything is trash? Are you so sensitive that you can't handle discussion of anything European in a less than positive manner?
48 Richie87 : Well, I don't think getting on and off the A380 is going to be that much of a horror or decidedly different than any of the larger twin aisles out the
49 Zvezda : Are there any announced plans to install an upperdeck airbridge at any airport? My guess is that at most airports the same two maindeck airbridges wil
50 AMSSpotter : Supposing they will connect 2 jetways to the A380 (roughly 800 passengers), it will take just as long as deboarding a B747 (with roughly 400 passenge
51 Post contains images NumberTwelve : We' ve had this topic couple of times. fact is, that there are airports using 1 door for boarding a 747, others use 2 doors. same with the 380. if you
52 Jderden777 : whether or not you like them the comments boyd makes on the a380 are humorous no doubt and carry much more weight than you people that bash boyd for b
53 NorCal : This whole boarding/deplaning thing isn't going to be that big of an issue. Maybe in the beginning, but once airlines get experience handling this man
54 Agill : Jderden777: Just because an "expert" claims something doesn't mean it has to be "true".
55 Tavve : Makes sense at first glance, but no chain is weaker the weakest part of it. Downstairs you have 10 seats and two aisles, making it 5 seats per aisle/
56 Gkirk : Would usually be the 747 as Corsairs 747s tend to deboard using front stairs and back stairs
57 AMSSpotter : I'm not questioning Boyd Group's sense of humor. Some of the more neutral articles are definitely fun to read because of the way they've been written
58 Post contains images RayChuang : I'd like to know how the Boyd Group came up with that 45-minute figure to disembark 555 passengers from the A380-800. Are they assumming that they'll
59 Iowa744Fan : Where is this prediction coming from? Perhaps many years in the future this could be the case, but have you noticed the seating layouts of the 380 op
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