PM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 7037 posts, RR: 63
Reply 7, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 9077 times:
Quoting Bill142 (Reply 6): Why not? They ordered the 773ER didn't they?, and its not unlike the A346HGW
An interesting aside is that EK did indeed order 20 A340-600s but they are leasing 26 773ERs. (They later ordered four more 773ERs directly.) It struck me as odd at the time and I still wonder what was going on.
An assumption that some people are making is that EK's new orders will be for long-range aircraft. Is it not just as likely, and maybe more so, that they'll be turning their attention to their medium-haul fleet? With 43 pasenger A380s, 30 773ERs and 28 345/346s, that's 101 planes for long-haul (some, very long-haul) and that doesn't even include their 772ERs and A343s. But a substantial part of their network is still within, say, 10 hours flying time of DXB. You don't need a 777-300ER or an A340-500 for that. What they might well need is greater lift on growing markets. They could either operate more frequencies (in which case, they need more planes) or operate larger equipment (in which case they need bigger planes).
What chance further orders (OK, leases) for 777-300s (NOT the ER version)? They already have 21 and I asume they could use more. It seems they won't take any more A330-200s (they're too small) but might A330-300s be in the frame? Their interest in the 787/A350 is well known but can they wait for these?
On the other hand, many of the A380s will be used for their capacity, not their range (for example, on the LHR route) and that will free up 773s for other routes.
My own guesses? I wouldn't rule out more 773s but I'd be surprised to see A330-300s in their fleet. I doubt if they'll order more 345/346s or 773ERs in the near future but either (not both) of the 787 and A350 is a sure thing.
And when will we start to see 772s and A332s leaving the fleet? there have been rumours about both but nothing certain yet. They seem ready to start dropping them but while they still need every plane they can lay their hands on they can't do so just yet.
One thing's for sure: they keep springing surprises and they keep things interesting for the likes of us!
I must get around to flying them one of these days...
Bill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 8473 posts, RR: 8
Reply 10, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 9031 times:
Quoting PM (Reply 7): An interesting aside is that EK did indeed order 20 A340-600s but they are leasing 26 773ERs. (They later ordered four more 773ERs directly.) It struck me as odd at the time and I still wonder what was going on.
The benefits offered by Boeing Aircraft are negated by the cost of ownership, hence the leasing of Boeing aircraft and the purchase of Airbus'
Behramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4878 posts, RR: 44
Reply 13, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 8832 times:
Quoting Chrisrad (Reply 11): Whats more amazing is that their cabin service levels seem to be on the decline with all of this expansion, where has the the former Airline of the Year gone to......
Unfortunately for Emirates...you are DEAD RIGHT in your observation and viewpoint on this matter!!!
Some ppl think that EK is a large overgrown bubble which can burst big time someday like the I.T. stock crash of 2000...well we just have to wait and see. But I dont think so it would happen as the DXB Govt's worldwide reputation and pride-self esteem would suffer big time and Arabs cant stand such things.
And yes it is a shame that an aircraft such as a B 773ER meant for routes such as DXB-USA, DXB-YYZ and DXB-KIX is used on DXB-BKK-SYD-AKL route!!! Also they havent bothered to put a new F and J class cabin on their B 773ERs
In the Arab world right now...the airline to fly according to most ppl is QATAR AIRWAYS an official 5 star airline alongside CX and SQ only. People who have flown it in the last 2 years have rated it much higher than EK in level of seat comfort and cabin crew service.
777boi From Australia, joined Jan 2005, 139 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 8681 times:
Yes, unfortunatly no new first or business class on the new 300ER's. But in EK's defence, the have removed a row of seats from First and another one from economy, so i guess that means a little more room somewhere!!! Perhaps the 12 seats in first will recline flat??? Shame they didnt fit it out with the same interior as whats in their A340-500's. The first 10 or so 300ER's will not be going long range anyway as they have not been fitted with crew bunks or rest areas!
Cornish From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 8187 posts, RR: 54
Reply 15, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 8615 times:
Quoting Behramjee (Reply 13): In the Arab world right now...the airline to fly according to most ppl is QATAR AIRWAYS an official 5 star airline alongside CX and SQ only. People who have flown it in the last 2 years have rated it much higher than EK in level of seat comfort and cabin crew service.
Interesting - I know they are expanding fast but haven't flown them yet. My colleague has flown on them on her holiday to Dubai, so I'll be curious to find out how the comare to EK when she gets back next week.
Over here in the UK, more and more people are using Qatar Airways to fly to the Middle East or onwards to the Far East, South asia or Australia, as they are frequently the cheapest option to those parts of the world now - particularly with the online travel sites like opodo and expedia, etc.
Would be interesting if their service is top notch and their prices low. would certainly give other airlines something to think about.
Just when I thought I could see light at the end of the tunnel, it was some B*****d with a torch bringing me more work
Kaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12665 posts, RR: 34
Reply 16, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 8299 times:
Wasn't there a rumour some time ago that they were supposed to get four A340-300s from Lufthansa?
I've also heard reports that they are looking at 777-200LRs; Boeing will be pleased that someone is! I wonder, however, if it's needed not so much for the range, but the extra thrust which can be generated by the GE90 engines, given the temperatures EK can face.
I guess that with the shortage of widebodies now available, they'll take whatever they can get.
Service standards are certainly an issue of concern; this is part of what EK built its success on; it would be sad to see it decline.
MauriceB From Netherlands, joined Aug 2004, 2491 posts, RR: 25
Reply 18, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 8125 times:
8 A345s with two more coming doesn't constitute a rather big fleet, though I suppose it is a rather big fleet for A345s.
indeed it is, look at other airlines like Air canada, having only 2/3 A340-500's. the A340-500/777-200LR aren't like many other Long-haul planes but only to fly ultra long routes, wich i suppose they don't need about 10 more 777-200LR's for those ultra's
EmiratesUK From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 288 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 7678 times:
I too have have received not so good service on EK but then I have on SQ,CX & BA to name only a few. EK are still a fantastic airline to fly with and I'm sure they will be for a very long time. As long as they continue to serve "regional" airports then they will continue to take rev pax away from the likes of SQ,QF,BA etc etc
Good luck to EK you still have my business over BA!
Bill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 8473 posts, RR: 8
Reply 24, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 6896 times:
Quoting PM (Reply 12): Hang on, you've lost me. Say that again slowly so that I can understand!
The benefits that Boeing offers EK such as fuel efficency, parts and whatever else are cancelled out by the higher cost of actually owning the aircraft. That is why they are leasing them. Airbus aircraft on the other hand are often considered to be cheaper and are generally priced at a level which Emirates are willing to pay.
: ...what about them? They've given no indication that they plan to divest A345s, just that they're interested in adding 772LRs.
: They operate the A343 along side the 772ER and will soon be operating the A346HGW along side the 773 and 773ER. So it will be no surprise if they ope
: Your comment still doesn't make sense. If they don't like them then why lease 26 and buy 4 more if they're not serious about it. They could have alwa
: Since when would something so 'trivial' as that bother this airline...? The aircraft were leased instead of purchased mostly due to fluidity in deliv
: They might be cashed up, but the cash can only go so far.
: EK said last year that the -600HGW was a better fit than the -300ER for 14-hour+ flight. Still trying to figure out what they meant by that...
: Yikes, Gigneil got one right! AFAIK, the primary reason why EK did an Airbus purchase and a Boeing lease was due to desired delivery slots. Price wou
: They actually said that in 2003... ...before two MTOW and three range hikes for the 773ER
: A big positive when you get free fuel.... hehe. I would imagine that EK will operate the 773ER's quite effectively. They serve so many destinations t
: ...with absolutely no bias in their method of comparison, I'm sure. Considering the slots they've reallocated to, they seem likely to convert to 772L
: I was thinking more in terms of the only carrier aside from PIA to order the plane... How long has it been on offer for, and for how long have EK bee
: How's that? What data do you have to support this?
: Keep in mind that the overwhelming majority of its competitor's customers opted because the A345 was the only plane then-available. Neither C-market
: There is only one thing for sure with BR, they'll be getting 15 777's...Now, if they decide not to get the 772LR's, they'll most likely be getting 77
: if you dont mind me asking what is the diffrence between A346 and A346HGW?
: A346HGW Forum Here you go... Should find all the relevant info in there! So they are buying it? What are the details of this "deal"? Why would BR con
: There's the possibility of flying TPY-PTY under heavy subsidy of parent company, the Evergreen Group. There's also the possibility of converting them
: Emirates does not currently get subsidies, and has not for a long time. It also doe s not get free fuel. Their books are audited and open. I used to t
: Emirates has posted 236 million USD profits in the first 6 months of the 04-05 fiscal year. EK is not getting any subsidies from the UAE government.
: I read it in the Emirates annual report a while back. Tim Clark said that Boeing aircraft were too expensive despite the benefits they offered. EK's