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Emirates To Buy More Aircraft  
User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 60
Posted (9 years 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 9294 times:

Jeez......talk about RAPID expansion...!! boggled 

"The airline adds an average 20-25 per cent capacity every year, Al Gaith said.

"We double our seat capacity every four years, making us one of the fastest growing airlines in the world today."

The airline is expected to announce strong profits for its current year ending March 31. The period has also witnessed high oil prices, affecting airline operating costs globally.

"We will announce our annual results once the financial year ends on March 31. We expect to announce strong results and profitability," he said."

http://www.gulf-news.com/Articles/BusinessNF.asp?ArticleID=157479


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User currently offlineLehpron From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 7028 posts, RR: 21
Reply 1, posted (9 years 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 9218 times:

Children of the oil rich, like billions of paris hiltons...  Wink

I don't know anything about the region. From my perspective this seems sudden but I'm sure it just seems that way. Who is doing this travel?



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User currently offlineAa777jr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (9 years 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 9215 times:

Bring on the Boeings. 772LR and 787 and see if they can get EX to tell Boeing they want a 747 ADV. Call it the 747NG. Bring it!

I'm hours away from flying AUS-LAX-LHR on AA. Pretty excited!  Smile

Regards.


User currently offlineMauriceB From Netherlands, joined Aug 2004, 2487 posts, RR: 26
Reply 3, posted (9 years 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 9194 times:

Bring on the Boeings. 772LR and 787 and see if they can get EX to tell Boeing they want a 747 ADV. Call it the 747NG. Bring it!

I'm hours away from flying AUS-LAX-LHR on AA. Pretty excited!

Regards.


why 747 if they just orderd 45 A380's? and why 777LR when they have a rather big fleet of A340-500's

also they have A340-600HGW's on order

so think they won't need to order new planes to get right about the ''doubling the fleet''

i think they orderd enought to accomplish the doubling


User currently offlineUA777222 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3348 posts, RR: 12
Reply 4, posted (9 years 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 9169 times:

MauriceB hit it dead on.

Even if they were to get more a/c you think Airbus will let them just slip away? Espically with the A350 comeing around soon...

Thanks,

Matt



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User currently offlineAtmx2000 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 4576 posts, RR: 38
Reply 5, posted (9 years 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 9039 times:

Quoting MauriceB (Reply 3):
and why 777LR when they have a rather big fleet of A340-500's

also they have A340-600HGW's on order


8 A345s with two more coming doesn't constitute a rather big fleet, though I suppose it is a rather big fleet for A345s.

Anyway they are already taking deliveries of 773ERs, and have shown a tendency to operate many large widebody types.



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User currently offlineBill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 8434 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (9 years 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 9023 times:

Quoting MauriceB (Reply 3):
and why 777LR when they have a rather big fleet of A340-500's

also they have A340-600HGW's on order

Why not? They ordered the 773ER didn't they?, and its not unlike the A346HGW


User currently offlinePM From India, joined Feb 2005, 6840 posts, RR: 64
Reply 7, posted (9 years 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 8829 times:

Quoting Bill142 (Reply 6):
Why not? They ordered the 773ER didn't they?, and its not unlike the A346HGW

An interesting aside is that EK did indeed order 20 A340-600s but they are leasing 26 773ERs. (They later ordered four more 773ERs directly.) It struck me as odd at the time and I still wonder what was going on.

An assumption that some people are making is that EK's new orders will be for long-range aircraft. Is it not just as likely, and maybe more so, that they'll be turning their attention to their medium-haul fleet? With 43 pasenger A380s, 30 773ERs and 28 345/346s, that's 101 planes for long-haul (some, very long-haul) and that doesn't even include their 772ERs and A343s. But a substantial part of their network is still within, say, 10 hours flying time of DXB. You don't need a 777-300ER or an A340-500 for that. What they might well need is greater lift on growing markets. They could either operate more frequencies (in which case, they need more planes) or operate larger equipment (in which case they need bigger planes).

What chance further orders (OK, leases) for 777-300s (NOT the ER version)? They already have 21 and I asume they could use more. It seems they won't take any more A330-200s (they're too small) but might A330-300s be in the frame? Their interest in the 787/A350 is well known but can they wait for these?

On the other hand, many of the A380s will be used for their capacity, not their range (for example, on the LHR route) and that will free up 773s for other routes.

My own guesses? I wouldn't rule out more 773s but I'd be surprised to see A330-300s in their fleet. I doubt if they'll order more 345/346s or 773ERs in the near future but either (not both) of the 787 and A350 is a sure thing.

And when will we start to see 772s and A332s leaving the fleet? there have been rumours about both but nothing certain yet. They seem ready to start dropping them but while they still need every plane they can lay their hands on they can't do so just yet.

One thing's for sure: they keep springing surprises and they keep things interesting for the likes of us!

I must get around to flying them one of these days...


User currently offlineSolnabo From Sweden, joined Jan 2008, 847 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (9 years 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 8797 times:

Cant wait to see A346 in EK´s c/s!

Micke//SE  cloudnine 



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User currently offlineScbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12033 posts, RR: 47
Reply 9, posted (9 years 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 8795 times:
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Quoting PM (Reply 7):
And when will we start to see 772s and A332s leaving the fleet?

I don't know that they will. They're still flying a single A310 just because they need the planes.



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User currently offlineBill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 8434 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (9 years 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 8783 times:

Quoting PM (Reply 7):
An interesting aside is that EK did indeed order 20 A340-600s but they are leasing 26 773ERs. (They later ordered four more 773ERs directly.) It struck me as odd at the time and I still wonder what was going on.

The benefits offered by Boeing Aircraft are negated by the cost of ownership, hence the leasing of Boeing aircraft and the purchase of Airbus'


User currently offlineChrisrad From Australia, joined Dec 2000, 1054 posts, RR: 8
Reply 11, posted (9 years 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 8751 times:

Whats more amazing is that their cabin service levels seem to be on the decline with all of this expansion, where has the the former Airline of the Year gone to......


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User currently offlinePM From India, joined Feb 2005, 6840 posts, RR: 64
Reply 12, posted (9 years 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 8720 times:

Quoting Bill142 (Reply 10):
The benefits offered by Boeing Aircraft are negated by the cost of ownership, hence the leasing of Boeing aircraft and the purchase of Airbus'

Hang on, you've lost me. Say that again slowly so that I can understand! eyepopping 


User currently offlineBehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4716 posts, RR: 44
Reply 13, posted (9 years 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 8584 times:

Quoting Chrisrad (Reply 11):
Whats more amazing is that their cabin service levels seem to be on the decline with all of this expansion, where has the the former Airline of the Year gone to......

Unfortunately for Emirates...you are DEAD RIGHT in your observation and viewpoint on this matter!!!

Some ppl think that EK is a large overgrown bubble which can burst big time someday like the I.T. stock crash of 2000...well we just have to wait and see. But I dont think so it would happen as the DXB Govt's worldwide reputation and pride-self esteem would suffer big time and Arabs cant stand such things.

And yes it is a shame that an aircraft such as a B 773ER meant for routes such as DXB-USA, DXB-YYZ and DXB-KIX is used on DXB-BKK-SYD-AKL route!!! Also they havent bothered to put a new F and J class cabin on their B 773ERs  Sad

In the Arab world right now...the airline to fly according to most ppl is QATAR AIRWAYS an official 5 star airline alongside CX and SQ only. People who have flown it in the last 2 years have rated it much higher than EK in level of seat comfort and cabin crew service.


User currently offline777boi From Australia, joined Jan 2005, 133 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (9 years 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 8433 times:

Yes, unfortunatly no new first or business class on the new 300ER's. But in EK's defence, the have removed a row of seats from First and another one from economy, so i guess that means a little more room somewhere!!! Perhaps the 12 seats in first will recline flat??? Shame they didnt fit it out with the same interior as whats in their A340-500's. The first 10 or so 300ER's will not be going long range anyway as they have not been fitted with crew bunks or rest areas!

User currently offlineCornish From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 8187 posts, RR: 54
Reply 15, posted (9 years 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 8367 times:

Quoting Behramjee (Reply 13):
In the Arab world right now...the airline to fly according to most ppl is QATAR AIRWAYS an official 5 star airline alongside CX and SQ only. People who have flown it in the last 2 years have rated it much higher than EK in level of seat comfort and cabin crew service.

Interesting - I know they are expanding fast but haven't flown them yet. My colleague has flown on them on her holiday to Dubai, so I'll be curious to find out how the comare to EK when she gets back next week.

Over here in the UK, more and more people are using Qatar Airways to fly to the Middle East or onwards to the Far East, South asia or Australia, as they are frequently the cheapest option to those parts of the world now - particularly with the online travel sites like opodo and expedia, etc.

Would be interesting if their service is top notch and their prices low. would certainly give other airlines something to think about.



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User currently offlineKaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12322 posts, RR: 35
Reply 16, posted (9 years 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 8051 times:

Wasn't there a rumour some time ago that they were supposed to get four A340-300s from Lufthansa?

I've also heard reports that they are looking at 777-200LRs; Boeing will be pleased that someone is! I wonder, however, if it's needed not so much for the range, but the extra thrust which can be generated by the GE90 engines, given the temperatures EK can face.

I guess that with the shortage of widebodies now available, they'll take whatever they can get.

Service standards are certainly an issue of concern; this is part of what EK built its success on; it would be sad to see it decline.


User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16345 posts, RR: 86
Reply 17, posted (9 years 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 8003 times:

Quoting Aa777jr (Reply 2):
I'm hours away from flying AUS-LAX-LHR on AA. Pretty excited! Smile

You're flying 4 hours out of your way?

Quoting Bill142 (Reply 6):
Why not? They ordered the 773ER didn't they?, and its not unlike the A346HGW

The A340-600HGW and A340-500 can fly nonstop to SYD and other locations nonstop due to superior engine out performance in the extremely hot climate.

Emirates got the 773ER because they could get them quickly. I would say their general attitude towards them indicates they may not keep them forever.

N


User currently offlineMauriceB From Netherlands, joined Aug 2004, 2487 posts, RR: 26
Reply 18, posted (9 years 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 7877 times:

8 A345s with two more coming doesn't constitute a rather big fleet, though I suppose it is a rather big fleet for A345s.


indeed it is, look at other airlines like Air canada, having only 2/3 A340-500's. the A340-500/777-200LR aren't like many other Long-haul planes but only to fly ultra long routes, wich i suppose they don't need about 10 more 777-200LR's for those ultra's


User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5668 posts, RR: 48
Reply 19, posted (9 years 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 7651 times:

Quoting Gigneil (Reply 17):
Emirates got the 773ER because they could get them quickly. I would say their general attitude towards them indicates they may not keep them forever.

How can you say that when the plane is not in revenue service yet?  banghead 



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User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16345 posts, RR: 86
Reply 20, posted (9 years 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 7603 times:

Easy.

They aren't outfitting the plane with their latest interior, nor planning it on their longhaul flights.

N


User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (9 years 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 7588 times:

Quoting MauriceB (Reply 3):
and why 777LR when they have a rather big fleet of A340-500's

...if, like all 777s, it meets/exceeds its expectant performance specifications, why would they NOT want it?

It'll fly longer, faster, and with more payload than their A345s; plus share complete commonality with their incoming 773ERs.

Quoting Gigneil (Reply 17):
I would say their general attitude towards them indicates they may not keep them forever.

WHAT "general attitude", they haven't even started ops yet  Yeah sure


User currently offlineMauriceB From Netherlands, joined Aug 2004, 2487 posts, RR: 26
Reply 22, posted (9 years 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 7491 times:

...if, like all 777s, it meets/exceeds its expectant performance specifications, why would they NOT want it?

It'll fly longer, faster, and with more payload than their A345s; plus share complete commonality with their incoming 773ERs


what about theire incomming A340-600HGW's? dont get me wrong im a boeing fan, but think it makes more sense to keep the A340-500, because it would cost them a lot when they need to change them...


User currently offlineEmiratesUK From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 288 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (9 years 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 7430 times:

I too have have received not so good service on EK but then I have on SQ,CX & BA to name only a few. EK are still a fantastic airline to fly with and I'm sure they will be for a very long time. As long as they continue to serve "regional" airports then they will continue to take rev pax away from the likes of SQ,QF,BA etc etc

Good luck to EK you still have my business over BA!



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User currently offlineBill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 8434 posts, RR: 9
Reply 24, posted (9 years 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 6648 times:

Quoting PM (Reply 12):
Hang on, you've lost me. Say that again slowly so that I can understand!

The benefits that Boeing offers EK such as fuel efficency, parts and whatever else are cancelled out by the higher cost of actually owning the aircraft. That is why they are leasing them. Airbus aircraft on the other hand are often considered to be cheaper and are generally priced at a level which Emirates are willing to pay.


25 ConcordeBoy : ...what about them? They've given no indication that they plan to divest A345s, just that they're interested in adding 772LRs.
26 Bill142 : They operate the A343 along side the 772ER and will soon be operating the A346HGW along side the 773 and 773ER. So it will be no surprise if they ope
27 NYC777 : Your comment still doesn't make sense. If they don't like them then why lease 26 and buy 4 more if they're not serious about it. They could have alwa
28 ConcordeBoy : Since when would something so 'trivial' as that bother this airline...? The aircraft were leased instead of purchased mostly due to fluidity in deliv
29 Bill142 : They might be cashed up, but the cash can only go so far.
30 YUL332LX : EK said last year that the -600HGW was a better fit than the -300ER for 14-hour+ flight. Still trying to figure out what they meant by that...
31 Post contains images QFA001 : Yikes, Gigneil got one right! AFAIK, the primary reason why EK did an Airbus purchase and a Boeing lease was due to desired delivery slots. Price wou
32 Post contains images ConcordeBoy : They actually said that in 2003... ...before two MTOW and three range hikes for the 773ER
33 Post contains links and images Monteycarlos : A big positive when you get free fuel.... hehe. I would imagine that EK will operate the 773ER's quite effectively. They serve so many destinations t
34 Post contains images ConcordeBoy : ...with absolutely no bias in their method of comparison, I'm sure. Considering the slots they've reallocated to, they seem likely to convert to 772L
35 Monteycarlos : I was thinking more in terms of the only carrier aside from PIA to order the plane... How long has it been on offer for, and for how long have EK bee
36 Post contains images DAYflyer : How's that? What data do you have to support this?
37 ConcordeBoy : Keep in mind that the overwhelming majority of its competitor's customers opted because the A345 was the only plane then-available. Neither C-market
38 Pipo777 : There is only one thing for sure with BR, they'll be getting 15 777's...Now, if they decide not to get the 772LR's, they'll most likely be getting 77
39 Squirrel83 : if you dont mind me asking what is the diffrence between A346 and A346HGW?
40 Post contains links Monteycarlos : A346HGW Forum Here you go... Should find all the relevant info in there! So they are buying it? What are the details of this "deal"? Why would BR con
41 DfwRevolution : There's the possibility of flying TPY-PTY under heavy subsidy of parent company, the Evergreen Group. There's also the possibility of converting them
42 Cloudy : Emirates does not currently get subsidies, and has not for a long time. It also doe s not get free fuel. Their books are audited and open. I used to t
43 Wassch71 : Emirates has posted 236 million USD profits in the first 6 months of the 04-05 fiscal year. EK is not getting any subsidies from the UAE government.
44 Post contains links Bill142 : I read it in the Emirates annual report a while back. Tim Clark said that Boeing aircraft were too expensive despite the benefits they offered. EK's
45 Post contains images Jacobin777 : lol...that was a funny one......
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