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Conti To Fly 737-824s Long Haul  
User currently offlineAA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5637 posts, RR: 11
Posted (9 years 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 11179 times:

I have been in the market for tickets to and from Anchorage this summer.
I bought a ticket from DAL to ANC a few weeks ago, and was excited to fly on the 757-324 with a stop in Seattle, and on the way home, a 757-224 nonstop ANC-IAH.

But now, a friend is getting married, so I am checking flights again, and I come across flight 407, which is nonstop ANC-IAH on a 737-800! Dang... Flight block time is 7 hours 20 minutes.

Will an -800 fly for 7:20??? I sure wouldn't have thought so.
Clearly, Continental thinks so. Will they have to do weight restrictions?

This wasn't scheduled in February... why have they made this change?
My guess is that they're going to use the 757 that WAS scheduled for 407 on a Transatlantic run. Also I note that my flight, 1786, is still scheduled for a 757-200.

This post kinda wondered around... but I can assure you, it was only following the thoughts in my head! Anyone want to take a 737 for 7.5 hours? I bet the engineers in the 1960s never foresaw their airplane flying that kind of mission. What a versatile machine.

Comments?

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User currently offlineAA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5637 posts, RR: 11
Reply 1, posted (9 years 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 11159 times:

Just an afterthought... how much do you wanna bet that this route REQUIRES winglets?

R


User currently offlineBR715-A1-30 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (9 years 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 11122 times:

I couldn't stand a 737 for 2 hours... God knows I'd never sit in one for 7 hours

User currently offlineScottB From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 6573 posts, RR: 32
Reply 3, posted (9 years 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 11093 times:

Well, Air Pacific was flying the 737-800 on HNL-NAN, which is only about 100 miles shorter, and the winglets should extend the range of the CO 738 by a few percent. Given that you'd probably have a tailwind from ANC to IAH, this flight probably has no problems.

And the CO-configured 737-800 is very comfortable for medium-range flights, what with the mid-cabin lavatory, audio, and flip-down screens.


User currently offline777STL From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 3362 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (9 years 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 11027 times:

Ehh you're so enamored with 757s but the 738 with the same cabin profile bothers you?

I did three hours on a 738 EWR-RSW-IAH and it wasn't bad at all. They have a pretty decent Y product for sure.

-faast



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User currently offlineAA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5637 posts, RR: 11
Reply 5, posted (9 years 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 10976 times:

Whoa whoa whoa!
I never said that I was enamored by the 757... simply that I was excited to fly a -300. I haven't been on one before, I mean.
I like Conti's Y product, and find their seats to be comfortable... but 3 hours EWR-RSW-IAH does not 7.5 hours make.

Come to think of it, I haven't been on ANY 757 since I was about 11. I didn't know much about planes then, anyway.

And actually, BR-715, I like 737s. NGs and -200s, anyway... the -3/4/5s are just boring. Nothing pretty. No audio or anything. The epitome of average.

Any ideas about the likelihood of finding winglets on this route?


User currently offlineSHUPirate1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3670 posts, RR: 17
Reply 6, posted (9 years 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 10967 times:

The 738 on these routes? I would think the 73G would be MUCH better-suited...


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User currently offlineA340600 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2003, 4104 posts, RR: 52
Reply 7, posted (9 years 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 10762 times:

CO config them very comfortably indeed with the middle galley. In either class it will be nice, and might be nicer than a 757 for a passenger, a more private and personal cabin space,

Sam



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User currently offlineChugach From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 1041 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (9 years 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 10676 times:

Quoting AA737-823 (Thread starter):
I have been in the market for tickets to and from Anchorage this summer.
I bought a ticket from DAL to ANC a few weeks ago, and was excited to fly on the 757-324 with a stop in Seattle, and on the way home, a 757-224 nonstop ANC-IAH.

But now, a friend is getting married, so I am checking flights again, and I come across flight 407, which is nonstop ANC-IAH on a 737-800! Dang... Flight block time is 7 hours 20 minutes.

Will an -800 fly for 7:20??? I sure wouldn't have thought so.
Clearly, Continental thinks so. Will they have to do weight restrictions?

This wasn't scheduled in February... why have they made this change?
My guess is that they're going to use the 757 that WAS scheduled for 407 on a Transatlantic run. Also I note that my flight, 1786, is still scheduled for a 757-200.

This post kinda wondered around... but I can assure you, it was only following the thoughts in my head! Anyone want to take a 737 for 7.5 hours? I bet the engineers in the 1960s never foresaw their airplane flying that kind of mission. What a versatile machine.

Looking through the CO timetables, IAH-ANC is going double daily this summer, one flight with a 752 and the other with the 738. This is in addition to the direct flight with a stop in SEA. Good news for Anchorage as far as I'm concerned. I'd be curious if CO has ever thought of keeping IAH-ANC nonstops year-round with a 738. There's probably enough business traffic between Anchorage and Houston that it might work.



GO ROCKETS
User currently offlineAhlfors From Canada, joined Oct 2000, 1339 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (9 years 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 10605 times:

And I already thought Continental was doing the inevitable: 737s to Europe. Seriously though, Ireland is closer to EWR than ANC is to IAH, so it could happen.

User currently offlineMoose1226 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 250 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (9 years 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 10323 times:

Does CO run EWR - ANC? Are there even any nonstop passenger flights between NY and ANC?

User currently offlineSTLGph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 9233 posts, RR: 26
Reply 11, posted (9 years 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 10257 times:

Quoting Solnabo (Reply 10):
How can anyone stand 7 hr20min i a narrowminded a/c.....oops, sorry mean a narrowbody a/c!

A plane is a plane. What's it matter if its got one aisle or two?



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User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 16908 posts, RR: 67
Reply 12, posted (9 years 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 10236 times:

Quoting STLGph (Reply 12):

A plane is a plane. What's it matter if its got one aisle or two

Many of us feel less enclosed in a widebody.



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User currently offlineAA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5637 posts, RR: 11
Reply 13, posted (9 years 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 10155 times:

A plane is NOT a plane. Each is different, with strengths and weaknesses.
I would, by far, prefer a widebody for ANY flight. I like big planes- you gotta problem with that???  Smile Who DOESN'T like big planes? Nobody, that's who- the average Joe/Josephine passenger likes big planes, too.
Unfortunately, Conti is just a bit short on big planes right now.
I like all planes, generally speaking, even Airbusses.  Smile But for long flights, I like biger ones.
Yes, Moose, CO has a EWR-ANC flight, but it stops in Seattle.


User currently offlineJCS17 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 8065 posts, RR: 40
Reply 14, posted (9 years 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 10154 times:

Ehhh, not really a big deal. They've been running EWR-SFO/SEA/LAX flights for a while now with the 738, all have flight times of over 6hrs.


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User currently offlineMalaysia From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 3316 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (9 years 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 10134 times:

Try flying a Boeing 737-400 PR from MNL-BKK with no movies and all coach layout, isnt that some fun 3 hours? all over the China Sea. also recently flown a 737-800 CI a few times from BKK-TPE though. Id be glad to fly the cool CO winglet 737-800 to ANC, it must be cool, but last CO 738 I was on did not have a midcabin lav.


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User currently offlineGoCOgo From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 701 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (9 years 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 10110 times:

Quoting Solnabo (Reply 10):
How can anyone stand 7 hr20min i a narrowminded a/c.....oops, sorry mean a narrowbody a/c!



Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 13):
Many of us feel less enclosed in a widebody.

No offence intended, but aren't you on this website because you enjoy flying. I can understand those who hate flying particularly to dislike narrowboadies, or those who are claustrophobic, but if you come here to post about aviation, don't moan about flying. Want to say the seats, or the overhead space on a particular type is bad, fine. But don't condemn a jet just because it is narrow. I never have found any plane trip to be entrapping, but rather an enjoying experience.

Sorry for the bit of a rant, but these "narrowbodies are torture" stuff is getting old to me.

To the subject at hand, I hope the routes do well for CO. I just wonder why there are no EWR and/or CLE nonstops planned. I can see CLE, like always, not getting the route, but there has to be demand for NYC service.



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User currently offlineCo7772wuh From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (9 years 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 10101 times:

Then size does matter !  devil 

User currently offlineFlyTheFlag From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (9 years 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 10078 times:

Quoting GoCOgo (Reply 17):
No offence intended, but aren't you on this website because you enjoy flying.

Not necessarily. I don't particularly like spending long amounts of time on aircraft. Shorter the flight, the better. Many of us are more enamored with the industry, the act of flying, and how it all ties together into a system.


User currently offlineStevenUhl777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (9 years 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 10074 times:

Wow...7h 20m...IAD-FRA is 7h 10m by comparison, and several midwest/east-coast to Europe are about that as well.

Imagine if this plane somehow got ETOPS certified (maybe it is already?) they'd dominate the skies to Europe with low fare passengers. Yikes. I don't want to think about that...


User currently offlineAlexinwa From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1141 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (9 years 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 10055 times:

My two cents.....

I've flown 737's and 320's trans-con. The 738 on AA (SEA-BOS) was the best due to "more room in coach".

The UA 320 was pure hell. Thanks to the way UA configures them.

The AS 737-700 was wonderful SEA-DCA. Thanks to some little known info that the last 5 rows have a 33+ inch pitch.

NOW.....

I flew a DL 763 SEA-ATL and hated it. Talk about tight. The fact that is was a wide-body only helped due to the fact that I could get out of my seat and have a little room to walk around the gallery area in back.

I feel the UA 320 would of been just as bad as a UA 744 due to UA making them so tight. Not the planes fault. Blame UA.

I love the 340's SEA-CPH, but I also loved the 763's and the DC10's on the route. If it's full, it's not a fun no matter what A/C.

I havent had the pleasure of CO is many years, back when DEN was a hub. however I judge all my comfort based on the AA 738 with more room in coach.



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User currently offlineAlexInWa From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1141 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (9 years 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 10036 times:

Wonder how the AQ -700's feel on a packed LAS-HNL run???


You mad Bro???
User currently offlineNjdevilsin03 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 725 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (9 years 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 9950 times:

There have been EWR-ANC flights I believe it's seasonal. I flew a 752 from FLL-EWR and I looked at where the flight was heading after I deplaned and it said ANC.


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User currently offlineChugach From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 1041 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (9 years 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 9797 times:

CO doesn't do the EWR-ANC nonstop anymore, as somebody said above they instead added an extra SEA-ANC run with a EWR tag-on.


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User currently offlineVegas005 From Switzerland, joined Mar 2005, 313 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (9 years 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 9730 times:

Quoting StevenUhl777 (Reply 20):
magine if this plane somehow got ETOPS certified (maybe it is already?) they'd dominate the skies to Europe with low fare passengers. Yikes. I don't want to think about that...

Privatair flies the 737-800 ZRH-EWR every day. So it is already being done, and soon the low cost guys will get into the business I would guess.


25 CALMSP : too bad we dont have the EWR-PDX-ANC flight anymore.
26 CALMSP : i always thought before NW started opening all the Hawaii flights off the coast...we could have added 738s to Hawaii.
27 ANCFlyer : CO has been sending 738s up here for a while. My Father arrived on one in 2003 . . . IAH-SEA-ANC. I don't see them non-stopping them from IAH though.
28 Lehpron : No.
29 Aerorobnz : the only times I have flown 737s I found them cramped because most are optimised for shorthaul, not medium-longhaul...They tend to be 30"-31" rather
30 Post contains images Chugach : CO does do it nonstop in the summer, and has been for a while now. My uncle took a nonstop IAH-ANC flight a couple years ago. See reply 8
31 Chugach : I fly ANC-PDX at least five times a year, and while I'm loyal to AS, they generally hose you on the airfares on that route since CO (and formerly TW
32 AA737-823 : ANCFlyer, read my post carefully- Continental ALREADY HAS nonstops form Houston to Anchorage and back. Yes, they send 738s up there, but not nonstop..
33 Tavve : No offence intended, but aren't you on this website because you enjoy flying. I can understand those who hate flying particularly to dislike narrowbo
34 Luv2fly : Could not agree more with you.....
35 Dba4U : doesn't count IMO. It's an all Biz flight with maybe 50-60 people on board and with a special cabin layout and additional fuel capacity, same goes to
36 Richie87 : As a few other mentioned.... I have enjoyed a long flight on a 737-700... surprisingly so. I did a run from SEA-MIA non-stop r/t in January and found
37 Gigneil : I believe this flight is a regular BBJ, which is based on the 737-700 rather than the 737-800. N
38 OptionsCLE : Guys, let's get back to the original topic here. I have a question though. Does the 738 have the endurance to make a 7:20 minute flight? I was under t
39 Dimsum : I've flown WS 73G YYZ-YVR and it had no problems at all. It was a 5hr flight. But of course, 7:20 is a bit different.
40 777STL : For me it doesn't make that much of a difference, perhaps it's due to age. Three hours, 7.5 hours, it's all the same to me. And again, I'm asking you
41 Junction : I believe this is not a change, but an added frequency. CO has only had one non-stop ANC-IAH with the 757, and this 738 will be a new second daily fl
42 Gigneil : Like I've said a million times... people flew DC-8s and 707s far further. N
43 AeroWesty : I could only understand any hubbub over this if the planes were configured for short-haul service. Certainly we all flew 707's and DC-8's much further
44 DesertJets : Not to mention all those poor SOBs who had to endure DC-6s, DC-7s, DC-4s, B377s, and Constellations. With cabins even more cramped and noisy than a 7
45 ALB2ATL : Anyone have a photo of the 738 cabin with mid-galley and/or mid-lav - did not find anything... Thanks!
46 Antonovman : imagine over 7 hours in the middle seat with a great big fat person either side of you and the person in front with their seat fully reclined from tak
47 Dutchjet : CO does use smaller aircraft on some longer haul routes - its a good strategy that seems to work for them.....using the 757 from EWR to Europe has bee
48 Brons2 : IAH (29°59'04"N 95°20'29"W) ANC (61°10'28"N 149°59'47"W) 2838 nm, 5256 km. Plane's range is 5500km. Yes, the plane can make it...it is stretching
49 Chugach : Repeating my earlier question...anybody else think CO could make the ANC-IAH nonstop a year-round flight using the 73G/738 in the winter months?
50 AA737-823 : Wow, it took 48 replies to answer my question. BUT- I am appreciative of all the replies I received! I have never made a post that generated so much r
51 LTBEWR : I know that last August/September, I went CO EWR-SEA-EWR. My flight to SEA was a non-stop on a 757, with an ETOPS rating, and continued to ANC. My ret
52 Post contains images AGrayson514 : Just pretend that you're on a high density BBJ2 Seriously though, I think that as long as you can stand up, walk around a bit, and sit comfortably, th
53 777STL : Based on your tone you were rather positive about your previous flights on the 757 but then when you came to the 738 you seemed kinda negative. That'
54 Post contains images AirlineBrat : I flew CO on a 737-800 from PDX to EWR and then a 737-700 from EWR back to PDX. Both were over 5 hours. I hated it!! The thing that drove me nuts was
55 Post contains images Drerx7 : Its too early in the morning for me to even begin to critique the above poster's ludicrous assertions.
56 Richierich : I hate the whole widebody vs. narrowbody debate. If it were not for the efficient narrowbodies of today (737s, 757s, A319s/20s), there would not be ne
57 Bjg231 : People also rode in covered wagons and floated along in steerage across the atlantic, but that doesn't make any trip of mine more comfortable. We wil
58 AA737-823 : Thanks to all for your replies. I would tend to agree- the worst possible seat would be the very middle on a 2-5-2, like a 777 or DC-10. I would like
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