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Biman To Order 6 X 777 & 4 X A330  
User currently offlinePANAM_DC10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 4182 posts, RR: 89
Posted (9 years 7 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 10206 times:
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Just announced by Biman now though we may have to wait from the manufacturers.

DHAKA (AFX) - Bangladesh national carrier Biman Airlines is to buy six
Boeing 777 and four Airbus 330 aircraft to update its its ageing fleet and
expand its international routes, officials said.
"The board of Biman on Wednesday approved the purchases. As soon as the
aircraft are secured we will be able to start flying to five more international
destinations," Biman spokesman Syed Ahsan Hossain Kazi told Agence
France-Presse.
The new routes will be to Baghdad, Tripoli, Seoul, Jakarta and Colombo.
The aircraft could cost state-owned Biman up to 1.0 bln usd, another
official added, speaking on condition of anonymity.
"Both Boeing and Airbus have given proposals to Biman for purchasing
aircraft on easier credit terms and the board approved it," Kazi said.
Subject to final approval by the cabinet, the order will be placed in June
with Biman taking delivery of the new aircraft by early 2007, he said.


Lot's going on at the moment though I'll see this one on the books to believe it!

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User currently offlinePANAM_DC10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 4182 posts, RR: 89
Reply 1, posted (9 years 7 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 10133 times:
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filler...posted reply incorrect thread!

[Edited 2005-03-24 11:19:35]


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User currently offlineFCKC From France, joined Nov 2004, 2348 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (9 years 7 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 10122 times:

Sorry PANAM_DC10 , as i explained in my thread we uploaded the same subject at the same time.
Please see my thread as i entered two links , one saying 6 T7s/4 330s and the second one 4 T7s/6 330s.
Any comments ?


User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12210 posts, RR: 18
Reply 3, posted (9 years 7 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 10101 times:
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Any idea on when the order will be signed?

User currently offlinePANAM_DC10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 4182 posts, RR: 89
Reply 4, posted (9 years 7 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 10098 times:
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I'm with 6 777 & 4 330s as both Bloomberg and Reuters carry the same numbers. Who cares? Another carrier buying which is good for enthusiasts though I'll miss the A310s & DC-10s at LHR

Regards

Edit: FCKC Reuters just changed their story to 6 A330s & 4 777 Now I am confused !!!!

[Edited 2005-03-24 11:35:22]


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User currently offlinePANAM_DC10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 4182 posts, RR: 89
Reply 5, posted (9 years 7 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 10088 times:
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Quoting 777ER (Reply 3):
Any idea on when the order will be signed?

They say June

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User currently offlineFCKC From France, joined Nov 2004, 2348 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (9 years 7 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 9986 times:

PANAM_DC10

I am confused too with the exact number of each type !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Probably this order will be signed during the Paris Air Show.


User currently offlinePANAM_DC10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 4182 posts, RR: 89
Reply 7, posted (9 years 7 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 9952 times:
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FCKC

Yep, couldn't agree more. One for Paris. It will be interesting to see what the actual model mix will be. However, yet again, we see a carrier willing to operate both the A330 & B777 Series. I assume A332s and 772ER but that's just me speculating.

You'll have to update me from Paris as I'll be back in Australia by then  Wink

Regards



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User currently offlineOrion737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (9 years 7 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 9878 times:

The A310s and DC10s were the best, sorry to see them go.

User currently offlineBehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4800 posts, RR: 44
Reply 9, posted (9 years 7 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 9763 times:

Quoting Orion737 (Reply 8):
DC10s were the best, sorry to see them go

I beg to differ...the DC 10-30s of theirs have been the main source of nightmares and headaches of their fleet and for many EU/UK/JFK airport flight engineers for the last decade or so!!!

I am so happy that this order has been placed for 6 B 772ERs and 4 A 332s. Will they still retain A 310s or phase them out with A 332s???

Now whats to be done is for routes such as LHR, JED, DXB, RUH and AUH to be ALL SERVED NONSTOP from DAC with these aircraft not via 1-2 cities!!! JFK too should only be served via BRU and not DAC-DEL-BRU-JFK!!!


User currently offlineN754PR From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (9 years 7 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 9757 times:

Great news for Boeing and Airbus but will be said to see the DC-10's go.

User currently offline767-332ER From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 2030 posts, RR: 10
Reply 11, posted (9 years 7 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 9739 times:

Interesting that no one said anything about Baghdad and Tripoli being new destinations. How much demand can they have to fly to Baghdad?
Regards and great to see someone interested in flying there.



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User currently offlineFCKC From France, joined Nov 2004, 2348 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (9 years 7 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 9663 times:

PAN AM_ DC10

Of course will keep you updated from Paris.

767-332ER

Perhaps there are many Bangladeshi workers in both these countries , namely Tripoli and Baghdad.


User currently offlinePANAM_DC10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 4182 posts, RR: 89
Reply 13, posted (9 years 7 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 9433 times:
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FCKC

Thanks FCKC. Well to clarify my header I took the reporting into my own hands and called Mr Syed Ahsan Hossain Kazi of Biman to ask whether it was 6 777 & 4 A330 or the other way around. This is what I got.

"I cannot say which base models will be ordered. The reason you have seen conflicting reports is something I cannot explain. Though we are ordering 10 aircraft of which the final composition needs to be approved by Cabinet. You will see the final decision in June"

Wow! Me thinks there's some Politics involved.....I'm no journalist so I'll leave it to them. Perhaps Geoff Thomas could help us out here !!!!!

Regards



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User currently offlineAKelley728 From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 2193 posts, RR: 5
Reply 14, posted (9 years 7 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 9331 times:

How many DC-10s and A310s are in their fleet now?

User currently offlineB742 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2005, 3768 posts, RR: 19
Reply 15, posted (9 years 7 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 9315 times:

Akelley728, according to Airfleets Biman has 6x DC-10-30's and 4x A310-300's!

My guess is the 777 will replace the DC-10 and the A330 will replace or add to the A310's!

Shame to see the DC-10's go though!

Rob!


User currently offlinePANAM_DC10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 4182 posts, RR: 89
Reply 16, posted (9 years 7 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 9306 times:
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Quoting AKelley728 (Reply 14):
How many DC-10s and A310s are in their fleet now?

6 DC-10-30s
4 A310-300s

Regards



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User currently offlineTravellin'man From United States of America, joined May 2001, 530 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (9 years 7 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 9120 times:

Great news!

I had thought they might get a deal on 787's, but maybe they are too far off in delivery times for Biman, who needs them sooner.



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User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17657 posts, RR: 46
Reply 18, posted (9 years 7 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 9075 times:

They currently lease two China Southern 777s that are still in CS colors, but why are they not in the schedule?


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User currently offlineHorus From Egypt, joined Feb 2004, 5230 posts, RR: 59
Reply 19, posted (9 years 7 months 2 days ago) and read 8958 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 18):
They currently lease two China Southern 777s that are still in CS colors, but why are they not in the schedule?

The 2 777s are wet leased from CZ over the Hajj period only. Both airline have had this lease agreement for some years now to cover the extra traffic between Bangladesh and KSA during this annual Islamic pilgrimage.

Horus



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User currently offlineIowa744Fan From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 931 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (9 years 7 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 7794 times:

The aircraft could cost state-owned Biman up to 1.0 bln usd

For 10 aircraft? Is this correct? That is quite cheap!


User currently offlineN60659 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 654 posts, RR: 24
Reply 21, posted (9 years 7 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 7477 times:

I'm not as close to airline acquisition, maintenance or operations as many of you. Consequently, my questions (which follow) may be trivial, but I would like to understand the following:

- Why would an airline as small as Biman split it's order between Boeing and Airbus?
- Is there a big expansion plan in the works which will include aircraft from both manufacturers?
- Who will be performing their maintenance?
- Will they choose a common engine supplier?

Any help will be much appreciated.



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User currently offlineBehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4800 posts, RR: 44
Reply 22, posted (9 years 7 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 7284 times:

1. It is very clear to any person having common knowledge of the commercial airline industry that this order of BG was politically motivated. No airline with the business model and sense of BG would order an A 332 alongside B 777-200ERs when the sensible option would be ordering A 343s or A 345s instead!!!

2. It makes no sense what so ever for me as to A 310s being replaced in 2-3 years time with A 332s as the aircraft is too big of a replacement for A 310s...around 70 more seats!!! It would make more sense for BG to keep A 310s till 2010 and have ordered B 787-800s instead for delivery by 2010-11. BGs A 310s 1994-97 models I think???

3. With this order I hope BG re-arranges its routes by flying DAC-BRU-JFK with the B 772ER instead of DAC-DEL-DXB-BRU-JFK and DAC-DEL-BRU-JFK with DC 10-30s. BG too should make sure that ALL of its LHR flights are nonstop and not via DXB in order to effectively compete against EK-QR-GF-BA-KU on this route for passengers.

4. BG should ensure that all seats on A 332s and B 777s have TVs as well as SLEEPER SEATS in Business class along similar lines of PIAs B 777 J class product.

5. I dont see any market for BG in Baghdad for at least another 3 years until labor traffic is allowed into Iraq as well as law and order subsiding. Tripoli has a large labor market of Desis but all low yield...its suitable for an A 310-300 flight from DAC via AUH or DXB only!!! ICN-CGK are all A 310 destinations and not fit nor worthy of A 332 service...CMB will see most likely B 733 service from DAC and the occasional A 310.

6. But instead of these destinations, there is more money making potential for BG out of MAN, BHX and ORD I feel. All these cities can support a 2-3 weekly A 332 or B 777 service from DAC (ORD via a EU city).

7. Some people have told me that it would have been better if BG ordered 10 A 330-200s only. I disagree as the B 777 will seat 85 more passengers than the A 332 will for BG. The A 332 is not a DC 10-30 replacement...the A 343 and B 777-200ERs are!!! BG needs the extra capacity and better operating performance capabilities of the B 772ERs on its LHR and JFK routes especially where the A 332 would be TOO SMALL for the airline to make serious money out of. Plus the extra seats of the B 777 are needed very badly in the HAJJ/UMRAH season.

[Edited 2005-03-25 00:17:30]

User currently offlineB747-437B From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (9 years 7 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 7162 times:

Quoting Behramjee (Reply 22):
With this order I hope BG re-arranges its routes by flying DAC-BRU-JFK with the B 772ER instead of DAC-DEL-DXB-BRU-JFK and DAC-DEL-BRU-JFK with DC 10-30s

Perhaps if you had been paying attention, you would have noticed that BG has not actually operated from DEL to BRU/JFK for a few years now. Lets not let the pesky facts get in the way though.


User currently offlineBehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4800 posts, RR: 44
Reply 24, posted (9 years 7 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 7117 times:

Yes sorry my apologies...the current route is :

BG 011-012 on MON and FRI with DC 10-30s flying DAC-DXB-BRU-JFK.


25 Brons2 : How wrong you are! There are other operators who use both the A330 and 777 side by side. KL and KE come to mind off the top of my head. If you want t
26 Post contains images ConcordeBoy : What on Earth sort of inane drivel is that? ...nearly a dozen airlines (large and small) have chosen to operate the A330 and 777 in tandem, many to t
27 Thunderbird1 : Would be nice to see the triple 7 in Biman colors.
28 SWISSER : Well yes, and that immidiatly affects my job as a caterer of both the JFK and DAC-DEL flights at BRU! Well see I would say...
29 SWISSER : LOL! I recall the comments of the Sabena technics engineers at BRU right now!
30 SWISSER : In any way, I think BG made a good choice and I wish them good luck with the new fleet! Altough I'am sure gonna mis the flower power on board the DC-1
31 Atmx2000 : What on Earth sort of inane drivel is that?   ...nearly a dozen airlines (large and small) have chosen to operate the A330 and 777 in tandem, many t
32 Cloud4000 : I thought Biman has no money, that it's "cash-poor"? And what about their short-haul fleet? They need to replace those F-28s.
33 Post contains links Behramjee : I do know very well that there are airlines that fly A 332s alongside B 772ERs such as EK-KE-KLM-MH but their business strategies and type of markets
34 B747-437B : You might want to tell them this because they seem to have been cross-training their cabin crew on the B737/DC10/A310 right now under the mistaken im
35 PHXinterrupted : Are you drunk? What is sensible about buying a 340 over a 777? Perhaps when you sober up you should take a closer look at the two planes.
36 SWISSER : Swiss did and the plane is a great succes in the fleet! anyway Biman has different goals!
37 Brons2 : So your suggestion is that they abuse the quite expensive A345 on medium to long (NOT ULH) sectors in order to achieve some commonality? I don't get
38 Behramjee : No one knows for sure 100% if the A 332s are intended to immediately replace the A 313s upon delivery of all or if BG intends on retaining its A 310s
39 N751PR : I seriously hope this one goes through.....unless I just got suckered into an early April Fools thread....:P
40 Gigneil : Both of which have large fleets. For such a small airline, the commonality benefit is magnified. N
41 Behramjee : My point is similar to what Gigneil is trying to say...for a small airline like BG having around only 10 aircraft in its fleet for long-medium haul f
42 Brons2 : The problem is, I don't see the A345 (or any ULH...) as a good option due to the high weight, it would make it difficult to make profits in their rou
43 Brons2 : To play devil's advocate then, what aircraft are you suggesting? 4x332+6x343?
44 737-990 : Will someone get on the phone and call Northwest with this breaking news!
45 Brons2 : Actually they are using the A333 on many of the Europe routes which is more similar in capacity to the DC-10-30 than is the A332.
46 The777Man : Let's hope that they do place this order. It would be great with another new Boeing 777 operator ! The777Man
47 Behramjee : NWA if u recall did indeed in 1989 place an order for around 30 A 343s but then changed it to A 333s and A 332. The A 333 is a good enough replacemen
48 Post contains images Lockheed1011 : B777 it is much superior bird than the A340. A330 is selling very well, that is why Airbus should not kill it announcing the A350. Two engines are the
49 Post contains images Scbriml : There must be quite a few drunk airline execs then!
50 SWISSER : Guys, stay neutral on the A & B situation here! we all have our favorites here so let's discuss what's in BG best interest! They operate long haul rou
51 AirbusCanada : Actually, the current fleet looks like this 6 DC-10(4 owned, 2 leased ex-canadian mechine) 3 310-300(2 owned, 1 leased(S2-ADK) all the ex-sq hulls ha
52 Behramjee : I like your point too concerning the A 332-A 333 combo...but can an A 333 fly nonstop without any payload restrictions on DAC-LHR-DAC and DAC-BRU-DAC
53 AirbusCanada : According to Airbus.com, the 330-300 has a range of 10500 km with 295 passanger. DAC-Lhr 8028Km (greAT CIRCLE MAPPER) DAC-BRU AS 7709km Dont' forget
54 SWISSER : good points guys! I'am not saying that it is an issue for BG but the Cargo capacity of the Airbusses is still a way under the capacity of the 777.
55 Zizou : Its about time that those old DC10s were finally replaced. Also good to see that Colombo might be on the cards as a new destination. Bit suprised to s
56 Post contains images Solnabo : I didnt see the correct order here: Biman order 4 B777 and 6 A330´s. Micke//SE
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