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User currently offlineDfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 971 posts, RR: 51
Posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 9990 times:

Not too many details... but I just heard that AF/KLM have placed a tender for 7 Boeing 777F.

http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.j...?type=businessNews&storyID=7999279


" PARIS (Reuters) - Air France KLM (AIRF.PA: Quote, Profile, Research) is set to order seven Boeing 777 freight carriers in a contract with Boeing Co. (BA.N: Quote, Profile, Research) worth about $1.5 billion, French newspaper La Tribune reported in a pre-released Friday edition.

The new planes would replace part of Europe's biggest airline's Boeing 747 fleet from the end of 2008, the paper said, citing trade union sources. "


[Edited 2005-03-24 22:04:14]

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User currently offlineJunior1970 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 156 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 9971 times:

Source please ?..  Smile

User currently offlineBlatantEcho From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1905 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 9966 times:

7 planes, $1.5 Billion

good lord that's some expensive metal.



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User currently offlineFriendlySkies From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 4105 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 9958 times:

I think he included a source in his post.

Excellent news, and great for the 777-200LR program (for those who want to argue that, the 777F is a direct conversion of the 777-200LR base, so yes, it's more or less the same airplane)!


User currently offlineKL808 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1584 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 9952 times:

its probably mainly for Air France not for KLM.

KL operates 3 brand new spanking B747-406ERF.

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User currently offlineClickhappy From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 9628 posts, RR: 68
Reply 5, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 9936 times:
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worth about $1.5 billion

List prices  Smile


User currently offlineJunior1970 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 156 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 9932 times:

He must have edited it right when I replied, but anyway......Who else ordered the 777F before ?

User currently offlineDfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 971 posts, RR: 51
Reply 7, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 9927 times:

Quoting FriendlySkies (Reply 3):
I think he included a source in his post.

My edit after I put up the initial post included the source.

Good news to see the 6th 777 variant launched!


User currently offlineDfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 971 posts, RR: 51
Reply 8, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 9910 times:

Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 7):
Who else ordered the 777F before ?

No one... this is the first (launch) order for the 777F

Both carriers are GE90 777 customers with extensive freight networks, so its a sensible (somewhat expected) order


User currently offlineMauriceB From Netherlands, joined Aug 2004, 2490 posts, RR: 25
Reply 9, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 9903 times:

if got the feeling 2 will go to KLM..... don't know why through lol

User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5753 posts, RR: 47
Reply 10, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 9866 times:

Great news. Is LH a potential customer I heard. I think we may be seeing a plethora of orders for the 777LRF this year. Watch out!


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User currently offlineKL808 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1584 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 9853 times:

Quoting MauriceB (Reply 9):
if got the feeling 2 will go to KLM..... Don't know why through lol

I doubt. It would be great, but it aint happening. Because in my opinion, if they wanted an aircraft in that size in Freighter version they would have converted some or added more MD-11's to their fleet.

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User currently offlineJunior1970 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 156 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 9849 times:

What about FEDEX and/or UPS ? Have they shown interest ?

[Edited 2005-03-24 22:15:32]

User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5753 posts, RR: 47
Reply 13, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 9827 times:

I heard they were very interested in this. Particularly for cargo routes that are very long and thin that would be overserved by the A380.


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User currently offlineAT502B From South Africa, joined Dec 2004, 347 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 9817 times:

Great news for the 777 program. I imagine this freighter variant of the 777LR will turn out to be a good seller. Any ideas on who else will be looking at ordering some of these beautys?


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User currently offlinePANAM_DC10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 4148 posts, RR: 90
Reply 15, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 9783 times:
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That will be a nice launch order for 777F. Good for the 772LR program too. Is this the first time AF & KLM will, or have made, a joint order?

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User currently offlineSNATH From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3238 posts, RR: 22
Reply 16, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 9751 times:

Congrats to Boeing, KL and AF. Now, let's hope that they will follow this one up with a joint B787 order soon! Yeah, I'm dreaming  cloudnine .

Quoting KL808 (Reply 4):
KL operates 3 brand new spanking B747-406ERF.

Doesn't AF also operate new-ish B747-400ERFs?

Tony



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User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 17, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 9673 times:

Quoting SNATH (Reply 16):
Doesn't AF also operate new-ish B747-400ERFs?

Yes, they do.

N


User currently offlineFlySSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7411 posts, RR: 57
Reply 18, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 9579 times:

Quoting SNATH (Reply 16):
Doesn't AF also operate new-ish B747-400ERFs?

AF was one of the very first customer for the B744ERF. The first a/c was delivered to AF in Oct.2002.
AF operates now 4 of them (F-GIUA/B/C/D).

AF has announced few months ago its intention to retire the entire fleet of B742F before 2009 and to replace them by additional B744F (some of them converted from Pax to all Cargo) and some new B772LRF.

This order is placed by AFKL, because it's now the official name of the airline, and ALL the future orders of a/c will be placed under the name of AFKL but I believe this B777LRF will be operated by AF from CDG.


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User currently offlineStarrion From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1126 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 9539 times:

Wow! That's 13 777 orders announced today.

Good day for Boeing. The Freighter is probably going to be a huge seller given the few numbers of MD-11's left available for conversion. Plus these 777's have parts commonality with the PAX fleets.

Looks like Boeing is headed in the right direction.



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User currently offlinePlanekrazy777 From Canada, joined Aug 2004, 57 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 9505 times:

what about cargolux, think they will go for 777LRF

User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17450 posts, RR: 46
Reply 21, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 9494 times:

In which livery do you suppose these aircraft will be painted?


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User currently offlineLijnden From Philippines, joined Apr 2003, 564 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 9409 times:
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Why would AF go for the T7F? The A380F would be more logical being build and subsidized in France. The T7F would be more logical for Martinair to replace the MD11's.


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User currently offlineBlatantEcho From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1905 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 9383 times:

I wouldn't be surprised if some airlines wait to see what happens with the 747ADV. As I know the 747ADV-F was highly thought of by a number of airlines. (the F-ADV comes with an even bigger plug than the proposed pax -ADV.)


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User currently offlineCo7772wuh From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 9372 times:

This is certainly good news for the 777-200LR program and Boeing ! Maybe this was Boeing's intentesions to have the 777-200LR to sell more as a Freighter and less a pax a/c ?

Quoting Starrion (Reply 19):
Wow! That's 13 777 orders announced today.

What are the other 5 777 orders ?  confused  I heard of some 777 orders yesterday !

I am wondering if the 747F will continue to sell ?

Again , good news for Boeing ! goodvibes 

777-200LR Tanker ???  idea  That would be nice , but doubtful !


25 DfwRevolution : The A388F has a much lower freight density than the 777F can carry. Off the top of my head, the A388F is expected to lift 8.5 lbs per ft^3, while the
26 Avianca : I also think KLM will get the 777freighters. KLM has still smaller cargo operations, but it is more expensive and also the qualitity is lot better th
27 Starrion : Biman To Order 6 X 777 & 4 X A330 There are a lot of cargo companies that need a/c in this size range to replace all the DC-10's and others that will
28 AGrayson514 : I believe that the other 777 order came from Biman Bangladesh The 747F will continue to sell despite the new 777F because the 747F has a swing open n
29 DfwRevolution : The 747 that reached production was a far cry from the military heavy-lift proposal, the only thing they shared were the first-generation high-bypass
30 Post contains images ConcordeBoy : Whoopeeee! *does a cartwheel* Sorta wish AF would've tacked on two or three of the pax version as well, but anyways
31 TeamREGAL : To expand on DfwRevolution's reply, AF is choosing the appropriate equipment for the specific mission regardless of where it was manufactured. Plus,
32 Galapagapop : I'm sure Fedex would want some of these to help out with cargo routes from USA to Asia. Cheers!
33 Flyabunch : I think the order is very logical as it fits nicely with AF's opinion of the 777. And, as has been mentioned, they will probably need both the 777 an
34 Iowa744Fan : To follow up upon what DFWRevolution said, Juan Trippe was a big advocate of the upper deck and hinged-nose option for the reason specified. The mode
35 Atmx2000 : Well let's see the order RR or PW engines before coming to any hasty conclusions. Another thing you have to consider is that if it were seen that mos
36 777ER : Any idea on when to expect this B772LRF order announcement?
37 Post contains images WunalaYann : Absolutely right. There is a common misperception, including here in France, that AF's fleet is all-Airbus. Totally wrong. Just like LH, BA and IB ha
38 A380900 : I'm all for political pressure. We are subsidizing Airbus and Air France, it would be nice if the latter could buy stuff from the former.
39 Atmx2000 : I don't know about LH or IB, as they have really only bought Boeing in the last decade or so when there was no comparable product from Airbus. If AF
40 WunalaYann : Thank God, AF is a private company and is allowed to conduct business the way it should. AF have already acquired a few T7, and seem very happy with
41 Trex8 : Do you mean they had no good (for them) choices in the last decade except Airbus or they only bought Boeing in the last decade and did not before?? B
42 Post contains links and images FlySSC : This is the typical kind of stupid statement I hope I could avoid reading on that forum... What about the 25 B772ER + 8 B773ER already in service ? p
43 Post contains images WunalaYann : Thank you for some much needed facts, FlySSC, and welcome to my Respected list! I second your opinion 100%!!!
44 Post contains images Co7772wuh : I don't think 10% of the French population that's currently unemployeed appreciate the subsidizing of Airbus and AF ! I feel it's much more healthy f
45 Post contains images VS74741R : Why isn't this on Boeings website? I want to see an artists impression
46 Post contains images FlySSC : Could you explain me, with facts and figures : Why does a lot of people always feel "obliges" to link Air France with Airbus ??? HOW, WHEN, and HOW M
47 WunalaYann : I definitely think so. The problem is you will always find people to argue that those "needs" include satisfying the bloated egos of a few politician
48 WhiteHatter : Correct. If you look at some of the work AF Cargo actually does, they have a need for freighters which can fly long sectors with a respectable payloa
49 Gigneil : Doubtful. Firstly, I think it will be a cold day in hell before you see FedEx order another new Boeing. Secondly, FedEx has a great fleet of M11s to
50 SNATH : Would you care to elaborate? Tony
51 DIA : Interesting topic. . .I had just read the main story in my Airways Magazine last night regarding the 772LR, but it elaborated on all of the 777 varian
52 Revelation : I wonder if the artist will go for a realistic rendition and make the plane look dirty!
53 MauriceB : from 2 sources (la tribune and Luchtvaartnieuws) are now saying its about 15 aircraft......although seems a bit big to me
54 HZ747300 : Boeing waits for the airlines to announce first.
55 Aircellist : Do you know that in Dante's Inferno, hell is actually frozen? (am I off topic, here?)
56 Post contains images QFA001 : Potential but probably won't be on launch customer list. AFAIK, FedEx, no. UPS, yes. More like 747AdvF. You can't buy P&W or R-R engines for the B777
57 NA : LH Cargo is interested in the 772LRF as well as in the A380F (and if the 747 Advanced will be launched this aircraft will be on the list as well), but
58 Post contains links and images DIA : In terms of LH MD-11s. . .it might be awhile before they replace 'em, being that the last few were LH's and that was only about five years ago. They
59 Keesje : 773F more likely then 772F IMO..
60 QFA001 : I don't agree. I don't think that it's clear, yet. Right now the B772LR is being offered at three and possibly a fourth major carrier and has a reaso
61 Udo : So far the tail only flew off an AA plane - after pilots moved it beyond structural limits. If you can laugh about this, you might better call a doct
62 Post contains images FlySSC : Sure !!! what about 40 A340, 10 A330, 73 A319/320/321 in service with LH ? and the 80 A319/320/321 & 26 A340 in service with IB ? They probably found
63 YUL332LX : Luchtvaartnieuws also mentioned that the 77F would replace some of the 74F so 15 aircraft sounds plausible enough.[Edited 2005-03-26 00:31:28]
64 MauriceB : Sure, but 15 seems big anyway i can imagine 7 for 747-200F replacement and about 3 for expanding, that would leave 5 for KLM, wich is certainly to muc
65 Atmx2000 : I don't think I ever seen a better example of someone misquoting and not getting the point. Here is what I said: My point is that both IB and LH have
66 OldAeroGuy : Nope, the 772LR is the preferred Freighter. If you take freight at a given density (10lb/cu.ft. is a standard), then the 773ER will hit its MZFW stru
67 Gigneil : There is no such plane. N
68 Sllevin : With this order, AF/KL operate a significant 777 fleet to which they are likely to add more airframes over time. The MD-11's are slowly ageing, and,
69 Luisde8cd : The order goes to Air France, not KLM. The 7 planes will go to AF. The first 2 slots in the production line of the 77F are already reserved for AF, th
70 Post contains images Airliner777 : Of course I'm not laughing at the AA A300 tragedy. The reason why I posted my opinion was because of the recent incident which happened at the beginn
71 CX747 : I'll second that notion of blaming pilots. It's always easy to blame those who aren't here to defend themselves.
72 Gigneil : The rudder and the vertical tail plane are not the same part of the airplane. We know what happened to the AA A300. Drop it. N
73 Pihero : A very interesting thread, and some very opinionated posts,if I may add ! Among the reasons why the Triple 7 was chosen were its size, its range and i
74 FlySSC : Some A343 are going to receive a special configuration for the Carribean/Indian Ocean Network (30J/261Y) With the last order of additionnal B773ER for
75 Post contains images LifelinerOne : Rumors are strong here that Air France-KLM will merge their regional and cargo operations, creating one regional airline and one cargo airline, with o
76 FLYSSC : Concerning the Cargo, it is more than just rumors ! It's been anounced already in various French newspaper (Les Echos, La Tribune ...)
77 Flpuck6 : FLYSSC, Even though this has nothing to do with the topic thread, those 30J 261Y A340s are also forecasted in the United States ... in fact, even thou
78 Post contains links MrComet : More from the AP on this order SEATTLE — Air France said Friday it plans to replace part of its aging fleet of cargo planes with Boeing Co.'s new 7
79 Post contains images FlySSC : Here they go again.... They will do with the B777LRF what they did for the B773ER : AF was the launch company but nobody (Boeing or AF) made any publ
80 Atmx2000 : What would Airbus do to them? Not sell them planes?!! I find that unlikely. More likely, they just don't want to hurt French pride or let anyone know
81 FlySSC : Certainly not... But AF wants to keep good relations with both Airbus and Boeing. AF was already criticized by some medias and politics in France and
82 Post contains images WunalaYann : I wish you were wrong. Unfortunately, I think you are at least partially right... You are perhaps exaggerating a little, but I think you hit the mark
83 Pihero : FlySSC, How can you be so wrong about your company policy ? Reading some of the posts here, it looks like everybody should be as loud as SG and EK and
84 FlySSC : I never mentioned any war ! and I am not wrong about AF's policy : AF clearly expressed the wish, when the B773ER was ordered, not to be mentioned as
85 CX747 : Does anyone have a delivery schedule for all the 777s AF has on order? Also, what maintenance company will be doing the conversion of pax to freight f
86 Pihero : FlySSC A major misunderstanding, here. What made me go absolutely ballistic was the inference that we have to hide in order to buy the airplanes we ne
87 AFROTC : This is very good news for the Boeing family!
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