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Some Questions About BA At JFK  
User currently offlineRichierich From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 4266 posts, RR: 6
Posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 4652 times:

I was just reminiscing with a friend about BA's JFK service in the not-too-distant past. My goodness how things have changed!

I'm certainly not going to say anything about T7 - I think it looks great after the current renovations. But I do think the BA service has changed a lot. One quick look at the departure board now shows something like:

London-Heathrow
Manchester
London-Heathrow
London-Heathrow
London-Heathrow
London-Heathrow

Basically everything is 744 service, with the exception of the daytime LHR service (777) and MAN service (767). Obviously there is no Concorde either.

I have flown BA many times and I was trying to remember dates/destinations/etc. I know they used to fly to both LHR and LGW from JFK, as well as Birmingham in 1990s. I believe they used to fly the ex-Caledonian DC-10s on the BHX route. Before the 767, BA used to fly the L-1011 TriStar to MAN (I was lucky enough to do this once).

My questions:
- When did the LGW service from JFK end? For that matter, when did the LHR become the exclusive BA destination from EWR too?
- How long did the direct BHX flights live for?
- Was there ever more than one flight to MAN? Did this service start with the L-1011? (I seem to think the VC-10 might have been used on this route earlier than the Lockheed).
- When was the last BA 707 flight to JFK?
- Finally, did BA ever serve any other UK airports from JFK (or EWR), besides the aforementioned LHR/LGW/MAN/BHX?

Thanks.


None shall pass!!!!
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User currently offlineB742 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2005, 3768 posts, RR: 19
Reply 1, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 4606 times:

British Airways used to operate GLA-JFK-BOS with the 757!

G-BPEC used to operate that route in a 156 seating config, I think it was dropped in 1998, but im not sure!

Rob!


User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19233 posts, RR: 52
Reply 2, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 4593 times:

Quoting Richierich (Thread starter):
Basically everything is 744 service, with the exception of the daytime LHR service (777) and MAN service (767).

That's not completely true. The day-time service (dep. JFK at 0815, arr. LHR at 2100; BA178) is operated by a 744. All the other JFK-LHR services are operated by the 744 except BA116 (dep. JFK at 2030, arr. LHR at 0930) and BA182 (dep. JFK at 2130, arr. LHR at 1030), both of which are a 772. So 5x 744 and 2x 772. Yep, the MAN service is operated by a 763.



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User currently offlineJayhup From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 452 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 4527 times:

BA used to operate JFK-LGW (BA 172 then BA 2172) as a ex B-Cal DC-10. At random times is was a 747 but for the most part it stayed as a 10. When exactly the service was discontinued I don't remember. It was a great connection for all of the ACC/LOS flying BA did out of LGW.

B742 is correct on the reg of one of the a/c that used to do GLA-JFK-BOS-JFK-GLA (original flight number BA204 eventual 1504). I believe the other one was G-BPEA and they used to swap that with the JFK-BHX (YYZ was thrown in there for a while) a/c every so often for MX. The BHX flight number was 186 at first then changed to 1506.

G-BNWH still operates the MAN service.

One summer they operated a 767 LHR-JFK because the 777's weren't ready to go.

That's all the unusual bits from my tenure at T7...

JH


User currently offlineLTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13120 posts, RR: 12
Reply 4, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 4498 times:

In late September, 1995, I was on the BA JFK-BMX flight, it was on a 757, my first time on a ETOPS aircraft across the ocean. I connected at BMX for a Air Lingus flight to DUB. My return was on Air Lingus DUB-LHR, and transferred (via some kind of airside rats maze) to a BA LHR-JFK flight on a 747. Apparently this only operated until the late 90's.

User currently offlineFoxBravo From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 2998 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 4476 times:

Quoting B742 (Reply 1):
British Airways used to operate GLA-JFK-BOS with the 757!

Yes, and for a while the routing was GLA-JFK-YYZ, also with a 757. I believe they even carried local traffic on JFK-YYZ, if I'm not mistaken. Before they switched to a 757, GLA was served from JFK with a 763.



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User currently offlineJayhup From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 452 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 4437 times:

The YYZ service (yes...you could buy a ticket on it) was an extension of BHX-JFK and not the GLA. The GLA had enough trouble making the round trip JFK-BOS...

JH


User currently offlineDavid_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7380 posts, RR: 14
Reply 7, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 4405 times:
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1985-1987 MAN-JFK was BA L1011s 4 times per week.

Around 1988/1989, BA operated DC10s on a LGW-MAN-JFK routing on a daily basis but not too sure how long it was like this

Perhaps from 1991, MAN-JFK became the preserve of 767s.

From 1994, BA then "based" 3 767s for regional long-haul (BNWN, BNWO and BNWU) which operated MAN-LAX, MAN-JFK, BHX-JFK and GLA-JFK (the latter 2 were not daily, 3 weekly/4 weekly?).

They then swapped aircraft round in Autumn 1995 with the MAN-LAX service dropped, with the GLA-JFK and BHX-JFK services becoming 757s (BPEE was the other one). The GLA and BHX services were extended on as previously noted, with BA allegedly offering a through-service to BOS from MAN. Don't remember when BNWH started to operate the MAN-JFK service on a "permanent" basis, though there were occasions when a 757 was used at MAN with the 767 at GLA or BHX.
__________

At the height of it's powers, BOAC operated from MAN to JFK, ORD+YUL and YYZ (frequencies unknown, some routed via PIK, most were 707s and VC10s with 747s appearing after 1977). Not too sure if the JFK service around 1970/1971 was extended to various Caribbean nations. MAN-JFK disappeared from the BA network in 1983.

David


User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16877 posts, RR: 51
Reply 8, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 4363 times:

Quoting Richierich (Thread starter):
when did the LHR become the exclusive BA destination from EWR too?

BA has only flown to Heathrow from EWR, never Gatwick.



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User currently offlineMischadee From Sweden, joined Apr 2004, 271 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 4325 times:

I remember I was on a BA flight from LGW to JFK in January 1999. But I can't remember what kind of aircraft it was. I'm sure it wasn't a 747 though. Maybe a 767?

Can anyone enlighten me?

Mischa.



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User currently offlineCarduelis From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2001, 1586 posts, RR: 10
Reply 10, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 4249 times:

Well, in the early 60s, when I was Air Cabin Crew on BOAC 707s, we operated regular flights to IDL from LHR. Most of them were direct, but some via MAN and PIK - I have an autographed First Class Menu, signed by Gary Player, Jack Nicklaus, and Arnold Palmer, plus others, who we picked up at PIK after they had been playing international golf at Turnbury in Scotland.

Other routes we operated LHR via IDL were to NAS, FPO, MBJ, KIN, LIM, ANU, BGI, POS, etc. In addition to these we did three times a week LHR IDL SFO HNL TYO HKG DEL ROM LHR, or BKK KHI, BEY ZRH LHR, depending on the day, and also in reverse in an Easterly direction - the only Around the World service that went completely around!

After the fuel crisis in 1974, a lot of these routes were dropped, but BOAC was still recognised as the main international carrier.

The Americans loved us and always welcomed us as BO - AC. A great compliment!



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User currently offlineHZ747300 From Hong Kong, joined Mar 2004, 1680 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3903 times:
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When I flew BA from JFK to LHR in May 2001, I seem to recall 2 MAN flights and an LGW flight. I'm almost positive that they existed... ...However, that was a long time ago, and I may be confused.


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User currently offlineJFKLGANYC From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3506 posts, RR: 5
Reply 12, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3439 times:

BA absolutely flew to LGW from JFK. I remember the departure board kept saying:

London
London
London
London-Gatwick

I always found it funny that Heathrow was just assumed.

PJ


User currently offlineGustyOrange From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 220 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3397 times:

GLA-JFK was initially operated by a Tristar.

I can't remember for how long though.

G


User currently offlineTimz From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 6837 posts, RR: 7
Reply 14, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 3286 times:

"- When was the last BA 707 flight to JFK?"

FWIW the summer 1980 timetable shows a 707 MAN-JFK twice weekly.


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