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13 LX Avros Grounded On 26. March  
User currently offlineEzycrew From Spain, joined Oct 2001, 460 posts, RR: 4
Posted (9 years 4 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 4422 times:

Major delays and cancellations yesterday in ZRH as 13 Avros had to be urgently taken out of service. Apparently a problem with the de-icing fluid used yesterday morning that triggered false engine indications, according to my ex-LX F/A colleagues....

LX1484 to PRG had to turn back to ZRH, and those flights that were not cancelled suffered delays of up to 6 hours (GVA-AGP, ZRH-BEG... etc...)..

Does anybody has more info on what exactly happened, as I have not found anything yet?

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User currently offlineUA777222 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3348 posts, RR: 11
Reply 1, posted (9 years 4 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 4406 times:

No idea... What will these routes be run with for the short time those a/c are out of surface. Better yet, it's not like those a/c were the only a/c used by that de-icing truck why only these a/c were affected?

Thanks,

Matt



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User currently offlineLHSTR From Germany, joined Mar 2001, 226 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (9 years 4 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 4375 times:

Any chance how this looks today? I am scheduled to fly an LX Avro today ZRH - BRU.

User currently offlineUnique From Switzerland, joined Mar 2003, 1703 posts, RR: 36
Reply 3, posted (9 years 4 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 4361 times:

Apparently a problem with the de-icing fluid used yesterday morning

The remains of deicing fluid (Type IV, green in colour, quite viscous) used many weeks ago were washed into the stabilizers by the rain of the last few days and created the problems with stabilizer manoeuvrability. The stabilizers were washed thoroughly by the ground engineers and the problem's now solved.


User currently offlineDeltaWings From Switzerland, joined Aug 2004, 1294 posts, RR: 17
Reply 4, posted (9 years 4 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 4281 times:

Swiss has 19 Avros, so practically all of those little regionals were grounded. Of those 19 there are 15 RJ100s and 4 RJR85s. It must have been a mess, since they're one of the workhorses in their fleet. Their in and out all day. Unfortunately I was only their on the 25th, so I missed it.

~DeltaWings



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User currently offlineLHSTR From Germany, joined Mar 2001, 226 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (9 years 4 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 4248 times:

Quoting DeltaWings (Reply 4):
Unfortunately I was only their on the 25th, so I missed it.

Unfortunately?


User currently offlineDeltaWings From Switzerland, joined Aug 2004, 1294 posts, RR: 17
Reply 6, posted (9 years 4 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 4160 times:

Sorry I spelt it wrong-- I ment THERE


regards


~DeltaWIngs



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User currently offlineLHSTR From Germany, joined Mar 2001, 226 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (9 years 4 months 23 hours ago) and read 4018 times:

Now, I mean why did you put unfortunately?

I am just sitting in ZRH right now with an Avro flight being cancelled and I would be fortunate to actually be on board and flying.


User currently offlineBuyantUkhaa From Mongolia, joined May 2004, 2870 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (9 years 4 months 23 hours ago) and read 3987 times:

I saw one take off from LIS yesterday - that must have been one of the six still in service then...


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User currently offlineSaab2000 From Switzerland, joined Jun 2001, 1610 posts, RR: 11
Reply 9, posted (9 years 4 months 21 hours ago) and read 3893 times:

"Little Regionals"????? whatever........


smrtrthnu
User currently offlineDeltaWings From Switzerland, joined Aug 2004, 1294 posts, RR: 17
Reply 10, posted (9 years 4 months 21 hours ago) and read 3844 times:

okay then. big regional jet liners


Homer: Marge, it takes two to lie. One to lie and one to listen.
User currently offlineFlyinTLow From Germany, joined Oct 2004, 519 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (9 years 4 months 16 hours ago) and read 3224 times:

Different question:

Type 4 is used all around the world. They definitly use it on most (if not all) a/c at FRA. Any news if other airlines are affected? Is this an airline problem or an aircraft problem?



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User currently offlineBully707 From Germany, joined Jan 2005, 1035 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (9 years 4 months 16 hours ago) and read 3190 times:
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Quoting Unique (Reply 3):
The remains of deicing fluid..........used many weeks ago were washed into the stabilizers by the rain of the last few days and created the problems with stabilizer manoeuvrability.

Yepp !!

Here at STR we had a similar incident about 2 weeks ago...the whole stabilizer was full of that stuff....it was like glue.
Same with the ailerons.....
That was a very good job the crew did in bringing it down without "problems" !!!!!

Bully



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User currently offlineSkySurfer From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2004, 1136 posts, RR: 12
Reply 13, posted (9 years 4 months 10 hours ago) and read 2353 times:

There's been problems of this nature before in the UK with a regional airline. The airlines 146's began to have elevator probs inflight.....it was left over de-icing fluid freezing in flight and jamming the elevator. Before anyone says 'how the hell can de-icing fluid freeze?', well apparantly it breaks down over time and mixes with water/moisture and freezes up.

Cheers



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User currently offlineBully707 From Germany, joined Jan 2005, 1035 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (9 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 1899 times:
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Quoting SkySurfer (Reply 13):
t.....it was left over de-icing fluid freezing in flight and jamming the elevator. Before anyone says 'how the hell can de-icing fluid freeze?', well apparantly it breaks down over time and mixes with water/moisture and freezes up.

Ohhh yes...I second that!!!!
I have seen it myself...and that is one nasty thing to happen to you in flight!!!!

Godspeed

Bully



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