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What North American Airports Can/will Handle A380?  
User currently offlineCahiwa From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 52 posts, RR: 0
Posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 12801 times:

Where is this amazing plane going to land? What airports are making the necessary improvements? Are there locations that should that have said they will not?

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User currently offlineDAL767400ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 12782 times:

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The North American airports that are guaranteed to sooner or later get A380s are JFK, EWR, LAX, SFO, ORD, MIA, and YYZ has also good chances. Not to mention on the freight side SDF(UPS) and MEM(FedEx). All these airports either already have made adjustments for the A380 (SFO) or are in the process of doing so (MIA). Other airports are also preparing to handle the A380, although their chances of getting one are lower than those I mentioned before. Those "secondary A380 destinations" include YVR, IAH, and DFW AFAIK. So far only Ben DeCosta, the boss of ATL, has publicly stated that his airport will not make any modifications for the A380, stating the costs for these modifications are too high for the chance of getting only a single daily A380, if at most.


User currently offlineIndy From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 4561 posts, RR: 18
Reply 2, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 12754 times:

IND will get A380 service because of FedEx as well. That should be interesting to see flying in.


Indy = Indianapolis and not Independence Air
User currently offlineDLKAPA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 12750 times:

I'm pretty sure that DEN is the only airport that can support the A380. I know the taxiways can, not too sure about the gates, though I think LH's gate can.

User currently offlineStevenUhl777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 12767 times:

Is there a runway length minimum for the A380? Any airport with at least a 10,000' runway should be able to allow it to land, however gate space is another issue.

I doubt we'll see them, but PDX and SEA could allow it to land, though I doubt there's a gate at either one. What about YVR? YVR-SYD or HKG on a A380?


User currently offlineIndy From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 4561 posts, RR: 18
Reply 5, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 12739 times:

Will the A380 require the strange kind of over-the-wing gates that they have at AMS or will it require something even bigger?


Indy = Indianapolis and not Independence Air
User currently offlineAirbusfanYYZ From Canada, joined Oct 2002, 1434 posts, RR: 25
Reply 6, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 12728 times:

At YYZ the airport authority has apparently designed the new T1 to be able to accept the 380. However, the only airline that has stated it would operate the 380 here has been EK.

Cheers,
Kaz



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User currently offlineZRH From Switzerland, joined Nov 1999, 5568 posts, RR: 36
Reply 7, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 12719 times:

Quoting StevenUhl777 (Reply 4):
Is there a runway length minimum for the A380?

The A 380 does not a longer runway than a B 777 or 747. The width of the r/w should be 60 meters. (SFO, LAX, JFK, MIA have it)


User currently offlineCahiwa From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 52 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 12707 times:

Thanks DAL767400ER. I wonder when the baby boomers (myself included) start to retire in droves and the leisure market goes crazy with travelers, if the economies of operating this magnificent plane will make more sense. Seems like the perfect fit for tour operations.  cool 

User currently offlineMIASkies From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 1347 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 12693 times:

MIA is getting ready! New Terminal being built w/ A380 capable gates. LH & AF are planning on flying the big bird to MIA.


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User currently offlineSquirrel83 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 12747 times:

There is a list of 81 survayed airports that the A380 will be able to land at.

Tokyo (NRT, HND) London (LHR,LGW, STN) New York (JFK, EWR ) Vancouver (YVR)
Hong Kong (HKG) Paris (CDG, ORY) Los Angeles (LAX) Montreal (YUL)
Singapore (SIN) Frankfurt (FRA) San Francisco (SFO,OAK) Toronto (YYZ)
Bangkok (BKK,BKK II) Amsterdam (AMS) Honolulu (HNL) Sao Paulo (GRU,VCP)
Taipei (TPE) Rome (FCO) Miami (MIA) Rio (GIG )
Seoul (SEL II) Madrid (MAD) Chicago (ORD) Delhi (DEL)
Sapporo (CTS,HKD) Munich (MUC) Memphis (MEM) Mumbai (BOM)
Sydney (SYD) Luxembourg (LUX) Anchorage(ANC) Fort de France (FDF)
Brisbane (BNE) Washington (IAD) Pointe à Pitre (PTP)
Melbourne (MEL) Dallas (DFW,AFW) Buenos Aires (EZE)
Auckland (AKL) Orlando (MCO) Johannesburg (JNB)
Beijing (PEK) Indianapolis (IND) Dubai (DXB)
Shanghai (SHAII) Atlanta (ATL) Jeddah (JED)
Guangzhou (CANII) Denver (DEN) Riyadh (RUH)
Osaka (KIX, ITM) Detroit (DTW) Santiago (SCL)
Okinawa (OKA) Minneapolis (MSP) Doha (DOH)
Fukuoka (FUK,KMQ) Mexico (MEX)
Nagoya (NGO,NGOII) La Reunion (RUN)
Kagoshima (KOJ,KMI) Karachi (KHI)
Jakarta (CGK)
Kuala Lumpur (KULII)
Manila (MNL,MNLII,SFS)


81 surveyed Airports 81 surveyed Airports
Note: Airports with highest number of predicted A380 movements
or requested by airlines and some leading cargo airports.

Based on our current work, the early A380 airports are:
l 2006/2007:
• LHR, CDG, LGW, SIN, NRT, SYD, JFK, LAX, SFO, MIA, DXB, DOH
l 2007/2009:
• FRA, BKK, HKG, KIX, EWR, MEM, ORD, IND, ANC, STN, YUL, …
Other early potential destinations could be:
• MAD, AMS, TPE, SEL, DEL, BOM, KUL, MEL, BNE, AKL, IAD, MCO, RUH,
JED, KHI, EZE, MEX, YVR...

Information can be found here http://www.airbus.com/pdf/a380/a380airport_compat.pdf


[Edited 2005-03-27 21:42:47]

User currently offlineCahiwa From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 52 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 12635 times:

Thanks to all of you who replied. Where do you folks get all the airport & airline codes from? Regards.. K

User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 17038 posts, RR: 66
Reply 12, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 12587 times:

Quoting StevenUhl777 (Reply 4):
Is there a runway length minimum for the A380? Any airport with at least a 10,000' runway should be able to allow it to land, however gate space is another issue.

The A380
- Has the same or better runway length requirements as the 744.
- Has a lower wheel loading than the 744, the 773 and the 722.
- Has a shorter exhaust plume than the 772LR and the 773ER.
- Can land and takeoff anywhere the 744 can.

This means that the 380 can, in an emergency, divert to loads and loads of airports and airbases. Deplaning would be with the slides or, if there's no hurry, with one 744 compatible airstair. This does not mean that it can be routinely operated anywhere the 744 can.

The following may need to be upgraded/revised in order to make the jump from accepting routine 744 ops to routine 380 ops.
- Tight taxiway turns may require extra material on the inside of the turn.
- Runway touchdown zones, culverts and bridges may require strengthening. While the wheel loading is lower, the total weight is higher.
- Gate distances may need to be increased.
- For timely boarding/deplaning, 2 jetways are needed instead of one (the latter being all right for the 744).
- Gate waiting rooms may need to be enlarged to accomodate all those pax.
- Distance between taxiways may need to be increased, or at least ground traffic patterns may need to be revised because of the 80m wingspan.



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User currently offlineILSApproach From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 410 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 12452 times:

SFO is ready now.................I really don't see Fedex operating the 380 into IND..........I would think the 380's would fly out of MEM as it is their main base......would it be feasible to operate the 380 out of MEM and IND, I doubt it the cities are about an hour apart (or less) by air. I dont see enough overseas traffic out of IND to justify it there, let alone all the upgrades to IND for a single 380.

User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 12409 times:

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 1):
The North American airports that are guaranteed to sooner or later get A380s are JFK, EWR, LAX, SFO, ORD, MIA,

ANC can accept the aircraft right now - and is expecting it in 2008 with UPS or FedEx (I can't remember which - maybe both).


User currently offlineLightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 13107 posts, RR: 100
Reply 15, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 12394 times:
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Quoting DLKAPA (Reply 3):
I'm pretty sure that DEN is the only airport that can support the A380.

As Squirrel83's post shows, many airports are ready. Most will not spend big $$$ getting ready until the business case says to expand. For example, SFO will only have two gates ready for the 380. But until there are > 6 or 8 flights a day from SFO, why should they expand? LAX will only have more gates ready, but only the southernmost runway is built for > 1 million lbm. (The bridges were downgraded to 950,000 lbm for the other runways.)

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 1):
The North American airports that are guaranteed to sooner or later get A380s are JFK, EWR, LAX, SFO, ORD, MIA, and YYZ

It will be years before another US airport sees the A380. The diversion airports are going to be ready. e.g., for LAX, ONT and Edward's Air force base (recall, Boeing can rent NASA space for flight testing there.) The only other airport that might see a A380 not listed by DAL767400ER is BOS.

I do hope to see the big bird soon at LAX. I wouldn't doubt it will drop by for a proving flight.

Lightsaber



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User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 17038 posts, RR: 66
Reply 16, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 12385 times:

Quoting ILSApproach (Reply 13):
I really don't see Fedex operating the 380 into IND..........I would think the 380's would fly out of MEM as it is their main base......would it be feasible to operate the 380 out of MEM and IND, I doubt it the cities are about an hour apart (or less) by air. I dont see enough overseas traffic out of IND to justify it there, let alone all the upgrades to IND for a single 380.

Cargo is easier since there are no gate facilities to deal with. But the runways/taxiways/culverts/bridges still have to be considered.



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User currently offlineCaribb From Canada, joined Nov 1999, 1637 posts, RR: 8
Reply 17, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 12226 times:

Montreal YUL will be taking in Air France's A380. It will be the 1st CDN Airport to receive one.

User currently offlineYOW From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 12182 times:

YUL will probably be one of the first AF 380 destinations and probably the only Canadian city which will see the 380 for quite some time. YYZ might if EK ever decides to fly there (YYZ sees very few 747s anymore let alone a future large number of 380s). YVR might eventually get 380 movements too, but probably not before 2010 when the Olympics come to Vancouver.

User currently offlineJFKLGANYC From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3468 posts, RR: 5
Reply 19, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 12136 times:

Hate to burst the EWR bubble but the Port Authority of NY and NJ stated that EWR is not and WILL NOT be A380 capable.

PJ


User currently offlineRdu777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 221 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 12131 times:

GSO will be seeing a few once their new FeDex hub opens up. It'll have a good amount of trans-Atlantic service.


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User currently offlineZRH From Switzerland, joined Nov 1999, 5568 posts, RR: 36
Reply 21, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 11996 times:

Quoting JFKLGANYC (Reply 19):
Hate to burst the EWR bubble but the Port Authority of NY and NJ stated that EWR is not and WILL NOT be A380 capable

Source? I did not find this statement on the page on the panynj.gov.


User currently offlineAirbusfanYYZ From Canada, joined Oct 2002, 1434 posts, RR: 25
Reply 22, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 11898 times:

Quoting YOW (Reply 18):
(YYZ sees very few 747s anymore let alone a future large number of 380s

YYZ was down to only two scheduled 747s, BA and KE.
Summer 2005 will see 747 service from KL, LH, BA and KE. Not quite NRT but better than nothing I suppose. Big grin

Cheers,
Kaz



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