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User currently offlineNorthwestEWR From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 457 posts, RR: 3
Posted (9 years 7 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 7026 times:

Can i buy a ticket on Qantas for JFK - LAX and back or do i have to fly to Sydney from LAX ??


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User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5934 posts, RR: 40
Reply 1, posted (9 years 7 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 7021 times:

fly to Sydney via LAX.


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User currently offlineNorthwestEWR From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 457 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (9 years 7 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 7009 times:

so i cant buy a ticket for just JFK - LAX ?

DAMN !!! wanted to fly QF !



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User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5934 posts, RR: 40
Reply 3, posted (9 years 7 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 6994 times:

sadly yes.

regards



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User currently offlineNorthwestEWR From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 457 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (9 years 7 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 6966 times:

Couldnt QF make a little extra $$ if they did ticket passengers on JFK - LAX ?


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User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5934 posts, RR: 40
Reply 5, posted (9 years 7 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 6955 times:

Quoting NorthwestEWR (Reply 4):
Couldnt QF make a little extra $$ if they did ticket passengers on JFK - LAX ?

problem is to get the right to sell tickets.



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User currently offlineDaron4000 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 712 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (9 years 7 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 6908 times:

Too bad because that would be exciting to the route, although it would greatly hurt UA's new PS service, aimed at high yield pax. Are there any international airlines that you can fly between two American cities? I know Cathay, but I was wondering about any others.

User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20746 posts, RR: 62
Reply 7, posted (9 years 7 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 6891 times:

Quoting Daron4000 (Reply 6):
Are there any international airlines that you can fly between two American cities? I know Cathay

No foreign carrier, including Cathay, sells domestic tickets wholly within the U.S. End of story.



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User currently offlineRjpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (9 years 7 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 6887 times:

I know Cathay, but I was wondering about any others.

Last time I checked, Vancouver wasn't an American city!

Are there any international airlines that you can fly between two American cities?

Off the top of my head, I don't think any foreign airlines have the rights to fly US pax domestically. There are foreign airlines that fly flights between US cities (but not able to sell tix to pax going between those two cities)--Saudi Arabian IAD-JFK is an example.


User currently offlineNYCFlyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 1388 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (9 years 7 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 6891 times:

are you sure about Cathay? I know you can (or at least, could) fly JFK-YVR, but are there two US destinations you can fly between on CX?

User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19236 posts, RR: 52
Reply 10, posted (9 years 7 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 6867 times:

LAS-YVR ticket on Philippines (340) is doable.


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User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5934 posts, RR: 40
Reply 11, posted (9 years 7 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 6848 times:

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 10):
LAS-YVR ticket on Philippines (340) is doable.

but it is also US-Canada not a domestic US flight.



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User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20746 posts, RR: 62
Reply 12, posted (9 years 7 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 6842 times:

Quoting NYCFlyer (Reply 9):
are you sure about Cathay? I know you can (or at least, could) fly JFK-YVR



Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 10):
LAS-YVR ticket on Philippines (340) is doable.

Gentlemen, in case you haven't noticed, YVR=Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada. Not part of the United States.

Thank you.  Smile



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User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19236 posts, RR: 52
Reply 13, posted (9 years 7 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 6833 times:

Yes, I am well aware of the country in which YVR is located. However, having established that foreign airlines do not seem to be granted permission to carry passengers on domestic US flights, I decided to submit a close alternative.


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User currently offlineGemuser From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5714 posts, RR: 6
Reply 14, posted (9 years 7 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 6794 times:

QF do not have domestic rights LAX-JFK-LAX, all tickets must be part of an international iteniary.

As well the flight is an international one even if that sector is wholley within one countries domestic airspace and so you must have a passport. Normally on flights like this only pax leaving the flight at the first point of entry would clear Customs & Immigration there, the rest would do so at the final point. That the way it works in most of the world and did with this flight before 911, not now tho.

Gemuser



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User currently offlineJet1977 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 66 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (9 years 7 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 6705 times:

If you were looking to go to LAX in a round about way, you could fly up to YYZ and then take El Al to LAX.

User currently offlineAirlineBrat From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 652 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (9 years 7 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 6663 times:

What you are referring to is called Cabotage. That allows a foreign carrier to transport passengers between two US domestic cities. It is not allowed and the US carriers lobyists would fight it all the way. Stinks since it would allow American citizens the choice of flying on a better quality carrier if they so chose. Qantas provides far superior service than any US carrier today.... in coach. But instead, the biggest competition out there is to provide the worst level of service possible for the lowest airfare.... Except for JetBlue and Southwest.

I also support cabotage for another reason. To fly from Anchorage to New York City, you have to change planes or stop somewhere.. often several times depending on the carrier. That means the shortest flight from ANC to EWR is 10-11 hours. There are several Asian carriers that fly from ANC to EWR/JFK non-stop. A non-stop flight would only take 7 1/2 hours depending on what direction you are flying. Alaskan travelers are not allowed to take advantage of that. Bah Humbug. I hated the 12-15 hour marathon flights on Delta from FAI-EWR (FAI-ANC-SEA/SLC-ATL/DFW/CIN-EWR). That was back in the 80's and 90's, I guess thing are slightly better now during the summer, but AS runs the show during the winter so airfares are really high 8 months of the year. Delta always had you changing flights in DFW or ATL. Might as well changed planes in Mexico City....



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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26605 posts, RR: 75
Reply 17, posted (9 years 7 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 6615 times:

Quoting NorthwestEWR (Reply 4):
Couldnt QF make a little extra $$ if they did ticket passengers on JFK - LAX ?

As has been said, they would have to have the 8th Freedom (Cabotage rights) to carry US domestic PAX. Currently, no airline has that right. As for connecting in another country, that is not allowed either, as Asiana found out when they were carrying citizens of Saipan (US Territory) to the US mainland and undercutting NW and CO. They were carrying them through SEL, often times on 2 seperate tickets, but were fined big time because of it



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User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16885 posts, RR: 51
Reply 18, posted (9 years 7 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 6488 times:

Quoting AirlineBrat (Reply 16):
There are several Asian carriers that fly from ANC to EWR/JFK non-stop

There might still be one, but not "Several". With 777s and A340-500s Anchorage stops are mostly all cargo flights.

CO was flying nonstop EWR-Anchorage for two Summers, if there was that much demand they would be serving the route nonstop every Summer.

Offering cabotage rights to foreign airlines is a joke, it would have nothing but negative effects for Americans. Foreign carriers get access to the US Domestic market which is by far the largest aviation market in the World, and what do US carriers get in return?..

The right to fly between Munich and Stuttgart?...

Im sorry but there are no other same Country route pairs that are as large as NYC-Florida, NYC-Chicago, NYC-LAX, NYC-SFO, Chicago-LAX, Houston-Dallas etc..

London-Manchester?

Hamburg-Dusseldorf?

Paris-Lyon?..

No where's near as close to NYC-Florida, NYC-Chicago, NYC-LAX. There's a reason why all the foreign carriers are begging for access to the US Domestic market and not one single US carrier has asked the US to negotiate for similar rights anywhere else.



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User currently offlineACB777 From Canada, joined Sep 2003, 350 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (9 years 7 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 6440 times:

Is it possible to fly from SEA-IAH on China Airlines?

User currently offlineAhlfors From Canada, joined Oct 2000, 1347 posts, RR: 5
Reply 20, posted (9 years 7 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 6422 times:

Is it possible to book a stopover on QFs flight? Say fly QF MEL/SYD-LAX, stop for a couple days, continue QF LAX-JFK, and on the return fly QF JFK-LAX, stop for a couple days, continue LAX-SYD/MEL. ?

User currently offlineRJpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (9 years 7 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 6410 times:

Is it possible to book a stopover on QFs flight? Say fly QF MEL/SYD-LAX, stop for a couple days, continue QF LAX-JFK, and on the return fly QF JFK-LAX, stop for a couple days, continue LAX-SYD/MEL. ?


I'm pretty sure you can, but not 100% sure.


User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25786 posts, RR: 50
Reply 22, posted (9 years 7 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 6405 times:

While cabotage within the US is a political hot potato, I would argue that is would ultimately benefit the US consumer.

With the ability to sell seats between two domestic points, several smaller and interior cities within the US would gain the benefit of direct air service by foreign airlines.

For instance look at medium sized cities like New Orleans, St Louis, Phoenix, Salt Lake City, Kansas City etc.. whom all currently lack direct intercontinental flights.
As a hypothetical with the ability to pick up domestic fill up traffic could allow BA to operate LON-DEN-PHX, LON-IAD-MSY or an Asian airline to operate NRT-SFO-SLC.

I doubt a handful of internal US segments being operated by foreign airlines could be even close to damaging to the US mainline carriers.

One must remember not every foreign airline would even be interested in taking up such rights of flying large widebodies on tag on legs.

US unions have for years complained that domestic cabotage would lead to a loss of US jobs. From my point if anything US cabotage could lead to an increase in employment and economic stimulus. These foreign carriers would have staffing needs at their new US destinations, provide increased tax revenue for the airports and lastly lead to increased foreign business and tourism which all equal increase economic activity.



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User currently offlineAirlineBrat From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 652 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (9 years 7 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 6236 times:

I am really enjoying this conversation as I have toyed around with the concept of Cabotage since I was a nerdy teenage airplane geek.

Quoting STT757 (Reply 18):
There might still be one, but not "Several". With 777s and A340-500s Anchorage stops are mostly all cargo flights.

You got me on "Several". The number of foreign passenger carriers flying the ANC-EWR/JFK route has varied over the years. I know Korean and China Airlines have flown the route and I know there have been others but I have been studying for an exam and didn't have the time to do an intensive web-research.


I agree that CO didn't have the loads to continue that route this summer but if there are empty seats on a foreign carrier flying that route, why can't I sit in that seat? It's empty and the plane is going where I want to go nonstop. Instead I am a victim of foreign politics and I have to go through West Timbuktu to get to my destination.

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 22):
doubt a handful of internal US segments being operated by foreign airlines could be even close to damaging to the US mainline carriers.

One must remember not every foreign airline would even be interested in taking up such rights of flying large widebodies on tag on legs.

US unions have for years complained that domestic cabotage would lead to a loss of US jobs. From my point if anything US cabotage could lead to an increase in employment and economic stimulus. These foreign carriers would have staffing needs at their new US destinations, provide increased tax revenue for the airports and lastly lead to increased foreign business and tourism which all equal increase economic activity.

Laxintl, well said. I agree with you. Very few foreign airlines would take advantage of Cabotage or at least it would be in a handful of cases. Like I said, the only reason an airline would do that was to fill empty seats. Their main focus of international transport. This would be a small percentage of their revenue. It is interesting that existing companies in any discipline scream and yell about competition but then when it happens their revenue increases. Case in point.... The Southwest Effect. Airfares are too high and few people travel. Competition comes in and airfares drop. The outcome is that passenger loads increase for all the competitors. The reason that SWA ends up with most of the pie is that the legacies will offer a comparable airfare but place a bunch of Rube Goldberg style rules in the plane ticket fineprint and things get complicated and expensive.... thus the consumer goes to the least complicated carrier. The thing is, I doubt that foreign carries would undercut US Carriers. Airfares would be more expensive and it is the people that Primaris is after who would pay a little more for an international travel experience.



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User currently offlinePlanespotting From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3529 posts, RR: 5
Reply 24, posted (9 years 7 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 6216 times:

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 22):

For instance look at medium sized cities like New Orleans, St Louis, Phoenix, Salt Lake City, Kansas City etc.. whom all currently lack direct intercontinental flights.

doesn't phoenix still have BA to LHR? when did they discontinue that? I was there in November and saw the 777. I haven't heard anything about it since then.



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25 BoeingForEver : im flying EWR-MIA on LY next week
26 Laxintl : No BA is still in Phoenix. Just making a general point that many mid size cities lack intercontinental connections and could greatly benefit with cab
27 Laxintl : But El Al is uable to carry local revenue passengers between EWR and MIA. Only online connection passengers.
28 BoeingForEver : i have a mileage ticket..and i split up the legs
29 Laxintl : Exactly, you could not buy a EWR-MIA ticket on EL AL. You have an award ticket as part of an international itinerary. You are considered an online pa
30 Texdravid : Allowing cabotage to foreign carriers would be like allowing sabotage!! I know, it's silly, but oh well!! Humor wasn't strong point!!
31 6thfreedom : Yes. Just make sure that the conditions on the fare, especially if its a resticted economy class fare, allows more than one stopover/transit. As a ci
32 B707Stu : I don't see 5th freedom rights coming to foreign carries on US soil anytime soon. Once that door is open someone like Sir Richard or AF/KL would jump
33 CXYYZ : AC have been pushing the Canadian government pretty hard to open up the Free Skies agreement between the US and Canada to include cabotage. AC would l
34 Iwok : Don't most countries have cabotage laws? I thought it was standard practice. I don't see what good loosening the cabotage regulations would do for the
35 Laxintl : The type of cabotage that the EU is pushing the US for is not for the ability to base aircraft here in the US. What is being asked for by European ai
36 6thfreedom : Another option would be to allow cabotage rights on a reciprical basis, where there is benefit to both sides. for example, given that QF operates LAX-
37 Leskova : The flight can be used for stopovers. On the QF/BA Round-the-World fares we sell you can fly BA transatlantic, then use QF to fly on to LAX for a sto
38 Post contains images United_Fan : I know you cannot book the JL LAS-LAX flight if you're not continuing on to NRT. Would be great to take a 744 for such a short flight,though
39 Sydscott : "Offering cabotage rights to foreign airlines is a joke, it would have nothing but negative effects for Americans." I would have thought AA would jump
40 B742 : How are the loads on LAX-JFK-LAX on QF? Rob!
41 Post contains images PHX Flyer : [/quote] Qantas does not have cabotage rights in the United States. Hence, the answer is no, you cannot buy a ticket for the JFK-LAX leg only, and I c
42 STT757 : I can see a deal with Canada, simply because of geographic conveinence, existing customs pre-screening agreements and existing free trade agreements.
43 Daron4000 : Because high yield pax, who are knowledgeable about different airlines and flying on the days that Qantas flies would look at the two airlines and se
44 AeroWesty : An extremely limited market. Most frequent "high yield pax" in the JFK-LAX market are flying on tickets arranged by corporate travel departments. The
45 ExFATboy : I don't think, given the state of the industry right now, there's any political appetite in the US for cabotage in general. However, I think that the
46 PresRDC : As has been pointed-out one cna fly QF between LAX and JFK (or vice versa) only as part of an international ticket. However, that ticket does not have
47 JAGflyer : El Al sells YYZ-LAX and LAX-YYZ as well as codeshares on those flights with DL. I just flew YYZ-LAX-YYZ and they get a lot of pax flying between thos
48 Tundra767 : Actually I was looking up some flight on AA.com and found if I book AA LAX-CDG via JFK I was being booked on the QF flight. So there must be some loop
49 Richierich : So it is safe to say that the QF 744 flights JFK-LAX are very quiet? Ditto DL's CDG-DEL flight.
50 CosmicCruiser : If all this pyscho-babble is true re: "good for everyone,more hiring, stimulates economy..only a handful..etc" why then is ALPA AGAINIST it?
51 Ken777 : I don't see a traditional cabotage anytime soon. I think the best we can hope for will be to allow a US airline to sell tickets under their flight num
52 Travelplus : The law is that one needs to have an onward ticket to an international destination. So for instance I could take off from JFK stop in LAX to see Uncle
53 Travelplus : Oh and one more thing the aircraft docks at the international terminal with no exit t o the landside. You cannot clear customs as your a/c will be con
54 C133 : Not to be a wet blanket, but I just searched the Qantas web site for SYD--JFK, and all the legs between LAX and JFK had 4 digit flight numbers and sai
55 Post contains images PHX Flyer : with regard to QF: yeah, one could say that. Your quiet time is not even disturbed by much cabin service. When I flew it, the plane was less than hal
56 Chugach : CI, KE, and OZ all stop over in ANC enroute to JFK. Also CX stops over in Anchorage enroute HKG-YYZ, but do not allow passengers to get on or off in
57 ExFATboy : Actually, for the specific Qantas example cited, this isn't true at all (unless there has been a change since April 2003) - I've flown the flight. On
58 Skyguy : DL does not fly to DEL. It has a codeshare with AF.
59 ScarletHarlot : There is a flight that goes from EWR to SEA around 11 pm, arriving in SEA around 2 am. It is an Eva Air flight, but is a Continental codeshare. You ca
60 Aerofan : As an airline employee, you can non rev on all of these flights. I took QF to and from the West coast several times last year. Have also non revved on
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