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SAA Ever With A340-300 Nonstop To JFK?  
User currently offlineMozart From Luxembourg, joined Aug 2003, 2168 posts, RR: 13
Posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 3850 times:

I've completely lost oversight over SAA's US routes past and present...

My question is: was there ever a scheduled flight with A340-300 to JFK, from either JNB or CPT non-stop? Or to any other US destination nonstop? I think it's always been either B744 or A340-600, or with a stop on the way.

Note that I am talking westbound traffic.

Thanks

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User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 3843 times:

SA had opped to Miami (both MIA and FLL) nonstop in the past, but now not nonstop to any USA destination.

User currently offlineAirxLiban From Lebanon, joined Oct 2003, 4511 posts, RR: 53
Reply 2, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 3822 times:

I think the flights to the US are with the 346s now, while the 744s are used to european destinations like LHR where there is more demand for the F cabin.


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User currently offlineJaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 3820 times:

Wrong aircraft for the route.

Why did they think that the A343 or A346 could operate out of a hot and high airfield nonstop to the US with no payload restrictions?

Wonder why they never ordered the A345?


User currently offlineTimz From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 6822 posts, RR: 7
Reply 4, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 3815 times:

"SA had opped to Miami (both MIA and FLL) nonstop in the past"

With the A340-300? When?

[Edited 2005-03-28 01:02:25]

User currently offlineRJ111 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 3802 times:

Why did they think that the A343 or A346 could operate out of a hot and high airfield nonstop to the US with no payload restrictions?

The PR department thought that, the maintenance lot didn't.

The A345 could make the route non stop ok, with a payload restriction mind. Have ya seen the size of the A346's cargo capacity though, twice the useable amount than a 744's. The stop means they're not/barely payload restircted on the route, and can take full advantage of the A346's belly.


User currently offlineDAL767400ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 3788 times:

The stop in FLL and MIA was for 744s used to ATL. After FLL was dropped, the flight to ATL, like the JFK flight, was routed via Sal, Cabo Verde, depending on day and season. Currently SAA operates a daily A346 to ATL, and a daily A343 to JFK. They will also soon start thrice-weekly IAD service, also with A343s if I remember correctly.

User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 3740 times:

Quoting Timz (Reply 4):
With the A340-300? When?

sometime around never...

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 6):
The stop in FLL and MIA was for 744s used to ATL.

MIA was flown as a terminator.

FLL was flown as a benefit to wealthy Floridians, but still used as the techstop to ATL.


User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 8, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 3726 times:

Quoting Jaysit (Reply 3):
Wrong aircraft for the route.

Why did they think that the A343 or A346 could operate out of a hot and high airfield nonstop to the US with no payload restrictions?

Wonder why they never ordered the A345?

From what I remember, the inability of the A346 to operate the route from South Africa to the US was quite a marketing disaster for SAA - and the problem was NOTHING to do with the airplane. Airbus never promised or guaranteed that the A346 would be capable of operating the routes, SAA announced that its flights to the US would soon operate nonstop, and when the A346s were delivered, they simply could not do it on a regular basis with full loads. Certain people at SAA simply over-estimated the capability of the A346. Airbus is not to blame here - they did nothing wrong (wow, me, a loyal Boeing fan, defending Airbus!).

SAA did not want the A345 - not enough capacity - remember the A346s were purchased primarily to replace 747 classics - that being said, its odd that SAA is using an A343 on the NYC route, that service was flown with a 747 for years.


User currently offlineAndz From South Africa, joined Feb 2004, 8451 posts, RR: 10
Reply 9, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 3578 times:
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The capacity issue was not the main reason for not buying the 345, it was economics, the last time (of MANY times) this issue was raised on here I asked someone in the know at SAA about the 345 and he said simply "price".


After Monday and Tuesday even the calendar says WTF...
User currently offlineQantasHeavy From Australia, joined Jan 2005, 379 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (9 years 5 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 3514 times:

WIll bet you SAA will get CX's 346s and SQ 345s on the used market within two years. As those carriers will, I think, pick up the 777LR and sell their long-haul 340s.

Mark my words, 4 engines for long haul at CX will take the back seat to the fuel economies of operating a twin.

Bets anyone?


User currently offlineDoona From Sweden, joined Feb 2005, 3769 posts, RR: 13
Reply 11, posted (9 years 5 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 3465 times:

I'm under the impression that all SAA flights to North America were routed through som island in the south Atlantic. Is this correct?

Cheers
Mats



Sure, we're concerned for our lives. Just not as concerned as saving 9 bucks on a roundtrip to Ft. Myers.
User currently offlineAndz From South Africa, joined Feb 2004, 8451 posts, RR: 10
Reply 12, posted (9 years 5 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 3446 times:
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It is Ilha do Sal (SID) in the Cape Verde Islands, almost due west from Dakar, Senegal. Definitely not in the south Atlantic.


After Monday and Tuesday even the calendar says WTF...
User currently offlineDkny From Ethiopia, joined Mar 2004, 714 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (9 years 5 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 3363 times:

SAA will operate a 744 to IAD 4x a week via ACC not the 343

User currently offlineRJ111 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (9 years 5 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 3350 times:

Bets anyone?

I'd bet the farm on CX keeping their A346 for at least another five years, and probaby longer. 5 years being the length of time they've just signed an contract extension with RR for Trent 500 maintenance.


User currently offlinePA110 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2002 posts, RR: 23
Reply 15, posted (9 years 5 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 3190 times:
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The IAD flight will be B744 as DKNY has mentioned. They will continue to use A343 from JFK because the flight timing does not serve their network very well. Strictly O&D with some inbound connections from the USA. The flight arrives too late to make onward connections to all but a handful of cities. That's why ATL got the A346. The morning arrival makes it possible to get tourists off to more destinations. Unfortunately, the (now) year round fuel stop is causing misconnects with some of the more popular destinations. SA seems ambivalent about tweaking their schedule to correct for this.


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