Id4rox From United States of America, joined Oct 2009, 0 posts, RR: 0 Posted (16 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 1570 times:
Hey! I have my next flying lesson tommorow from 1-3, its gonna be an awesome day! sun sun and more sun! anyhow, last week my instructer said I'd have to make the radio calls next time, and thats tommorow! I have no idea what to say, when to say it, or what, the airport we use has no tower. Well, I'm using the cessna media way to learn, I have a set of about 30 cd's, all the jazz, I went back over that part about radio calls but didn't get it. Could someone help me out with what I have to say and when to say it? I don't want to sound like a total boob out there you know?
Also, one more question, my friends dad is a pilot, he flys cargo all over the world. Last week he flew from JFK to somewhere in russia, I don;t remember, anyway, over the summer if I went on some flights with his would I beable to like get flying hours in? Does he need to be a CFI or any certain rank for it to count if I go with him? I'm going to be 16 in two weeks, and I just started my lessons in december, I've gotten about 4 hours of flying and a couple ground, just wondering because i'd love to fly places with him this summer, and even better if I could get hours like that!
VC-10 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 1999, 3727 posts, RR: 32
Reply 2, posted (16 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 1446 times:
Your instructor will INSTRUCT you on how & what to say over the radio.
Unless you are a member of the operating crew you will not be able to log the hours on a freighter. Do you really think 6 hrs or what ever on cargo plane will be loggable ? If that was the case you may as well log every pax flt you go on.
ExPratt From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 311 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (16 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 1442 times:
Since you stated you're flying from an uncontrolled (out of control??) airport, your radio communications are relatively simple. First, speak in a normal tone at a normal pace just as you would on the telephone. Since the airport is uncontrolled, you will be transmitting on the common traffic area frequency. Dial up the frequency on the radio and set the volume. After you have completed your run up and before takeoff checks, but before you take the active runway; wait for a break in the radio traffic and then press the microphone or push to talk button and state "[name of airport] traffic, Cessna [registration number] departing runway [number]. For landing, your message will be "[airport name], Cessna entering the downwind for runway [number] for a full stop landing." Or "...downwind for touch and go," as appropriate. Have fun.
Dnalor From Australia, joined Mar 2000, 370 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (16 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 1429 times:
ExPratt explanation is spot on
No you wont be able to log commercial hours on the cargo flight without being part of the designated crew.
BUT go for the flight anyway, it'd be a blast, very few people have the opportunity to experience a jump seat flight.
Back to your radio calls though, your instructor may have some cheat sheets for you to study for all the revelent calls. When I was learning to fly (controlled aerodrome) I found the thought of it daunting as well. My instructor reccommended afew ideas to help.
1. buy a scanner and listen in to get used to the normal conversations between ground and air.
2. when driving in your car or riding your bike do pretend position calls for practise. These days with hands free phone etc, no one will think anything of you sitting in your car talking to yourself.
3.Dont worry if you stuff up a call, if it isnt clear someone will ask you to clarify it, or you can always repeat it, stay calm, perhaps even have a few expected calls jotted down on the back of your flight plan sheet.
Purdue Arrow From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1574 posts, RR: 7
Reply 5, posted (16 years 2 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 1427 times:
The easiest way for me to learn was to remember the 4 elements that you use in practically every call in your career:
1) Who you are calling
At an uncontrolled field, this would be "XXX traffic", where XXX is the name of your airport. At a controlled field, it might be "XXX Ground" or "XXX Tower". If you need to call Flight Service, perhaps to open a flight plan, it would be "XXX Radio."
2) Who you are
For now, this is simply your aircraft type, followed by your N-number, without the N - "Cessna 73752", "Arrow 532PU", etc.
3) Where you are
Before you taxi, you may be "At the ramp" or "At Bravo 3" if you just landed and want to taxi in. When taking off, this may be "At runway 23" or "At runway 3R". If you are going to be landing, this may be "5 miles North" or "Over the Golf Course". When you get into flying IFR, this may be "Out of one thousand two hundred for six thousand" when you contact departure.
4) What you want to do
As simple as it sounds... at an uncontrolled field, this could be "Taking off runway XX" or "Departing the pattern to the south." If you're inbound, it could be "Inbound for full stop, runway 23." If you're taxiing, it could be "taxiing to the ramp" or "Taxiing to runway 4." On your initial call to an uncontrolled field, you will probably want to include the phrase "Request airport advisories." If you are talking to ATC, it will be stated as requests rather than as statements, such as "Ready for takeoff," "Request right turn southbound," or "Ready to taxi."
If you're flying at an uncontrolled field, you repeat the name of the facility you're calling again at the end. This is because many airports use the same CTAF (Common Traffic Advisory Frequency), so you need to clarify the airport you;re at for those who didn't catch it in the beginning. When talking to ATC, on the other hand, only one facility will be operating a given frequency, so this repitition is not neccessary.
When you put these elements together, you come out with communications that will make you sound like an old pro... "Flora Traffic, Cherokee 521 Papa Uniform is six west, inbound for full stop, request airport advisories, Flora."
Broken Down -
1) Flora Traffic
2) Cherokee 521 Papa Uniform
3) six west
4) inbound for full stop, request airport advisories
I hope this was a helpful explanation . . . Let me know if you have any questions about what I have written.
Flyboy36y From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3039 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (16 years 2 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 1422 times:
You may be making the calls, but your CFI will tell you what to say. An ATP rated pilot can provide instruction in an aircraft that he is type rated for w/o being a CFI. Don't coun't on it. At an uncuntrolled airport the MOST important thing to remember is that you callsign is not as imporant as people knowing ABOUT your plane. If you are in a Tripacer ( high wing piper) say something like this: "Lufker traffic, Piper 1234A, highwing, on final for landing to the north, Lufker." My sugestion, contact AOPA (air saftey foundation) on the site WWW.AOPA.ORG Pay them one dollar and get the guide to operations at non-towerd airports....
Aaron atp From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 533 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (16 years 2 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 1415 times:
Wouldn't it kick ass if we could log those hours? Just imagine, since they don't give you frequent flyer miles when you non-rev (cabin or jumpseat), you just log those hours in your leather book instead...