Hamlet69, even though it's very pedantic I'm going to point this out only because I realise that you value accuracy: when First Choice announced its GEnxs, the B787 deal seemed to have been altered from 3 options to 6.
NYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5917 posts, RR: 45
Reply 12, posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 7478 times:
This week can be a big week, first CO unions vote on the new contracts and if ratified will open the door to finalizing the deal between CO and Boeing. Also AC is supposed to be announcing the order for the new long range aircraft. Does anyone know when this week they'll e making an announcement?
Iowa744Fan From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 931 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 6677 times:
Quoting Ianatstn (Reply 5): This is a nice contract for RR to win, does anyone know what the key performance differences between the GEnx and RR engines are?
I would say that the ANA deal was a much bigger win. I realize that ANA had RR engines on their L1011s, but they have not used RR in quite a while. I did see that RR and some of the Japanese industries announced some sort of agreement, so this likely helped with the order. Either way, good move by RR to get both a Japanese supplier and the large order!
It may be delayed, but CO needs this plane. CO has a mere 18 777s and 26 767s. When you think about it, this is a very small widebody fleet for one of the world's 10 largest airlines. I'm sure that they recognize in order to survive, they must add more lucrative long-haul flights.
Columbia107 From Gibraltar, joined Aug 2004, 358 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 6507 times:
Not really contributing additional statistical data but Aviation Week's web page has an article on the 787 which states, amongst others, that the 787 will be:-
- the first "electric" commercial airplane.
- the first user of electric brakes.
- 61% made of fatigue and corrosion-resistant materials.
It also highlights that Boeing has revised its customer formula which now reads customer=airline+bank thus taking into consideration the all important issue of finance in today's world.
It will come with very few systems options but like the auto industry Boeing will equip the 787 with a lot of extras which the customers and the users are dying for.
I say this because such statements have not been mentioned in the past. At least as far as I am concerned.
Crosswind From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 2635 posts, RR: 56
Reply 18, posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 5531 times:
Quoting DColeMAN (Reply 9): Britannia (Thomsonfly) has also placed an order, not exactly sure how many though.
The deal was rumoured, but TUI have since gone public in Flight International and said that they have not even started the formal A350/B787 evaluation yet, and that they did not expect to place an order before 2007.
Galapagapop From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 910 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 5385 times:
I'm sure the A350 will recieve several orders after early test data for the A380 is released because I'm sure potential customers want to see if Airbus can deliver on promises of performance, seeing as Boeing has a very public program, while Airbus has been very quite on the A350 and its exact features.
TPASXM787 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1730 posts, RR: 18
Reply 22, posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 4728 times:
I can't wait for the 787. With all of the environmentally friendly features and the (apparent) pax-friendliness of the aircraft, it will revolutionize the industry.
Between the 787 and the A350, Boeing has been waging a P.R. war while Airbus has been quiet. Who knows what that means. It could mean something more incredible than the 787. It could also mean that the A350 is indeed nothing more than a re-done A330, which is a nice plane, but nothing like the 787 will be. Only time will tell. More info on the A350 would be nice though.
DfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 1138 posts, RR: 51
Reply 23, posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 4414 times:
Quoting TPASXM787 (Reply 22): Between the 787 and the A350, Boeing has been waging a P.R. war while Airbus has been quiet
Quiet aren't the words I would use to describe John Leahy's comments on the 7E7/787
Quoting TPASXM787 (Reply 22): Who knows what that means. It could mean something more incredible than the 787. It could also mean that the A350 is indeed nothing more than a re-done A330, which is a nice plane, but nothing like the 787 will be.
Unless the current A350 plans are just a smoke screen for something spectacular, the re-done A330 assessment is closer to reality. They are in talks with GE and RR for the same engines as the 787 (sans bleedless technology) and they are talking about a new composite wing. Seriously doubt they have something that could blow the 787 out of the water up their sleeve.
Quoting BoeingBus (Reply 11): Korea is also close in ordering the 787, according to FI. This is probably the first win for the 787 against the A350.
The rammifications (sp?) of this potential order could be huge. Much bigger than the ANA, JAL, Continental, and China orders:
KE is an A330 carrier. If Boeing wins this order, it would be the first order in which Boeing has upset the incumbent Airbus fleet
This is the first major order where the merits of the 787 and A350 have gone head-to-head. For lack of a short-range version (and politics if you want to believe that), Airbus didn't stand a chance in the JAL/ANA orders.