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787 Order Update  
User currently offlineL.1011 From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 2209 posts, RR: 9
Posted (9 years 8 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 8111 times:

As I understand it, the 787 order book stands as follows:

Ethiopian 10
China 60
Vietnam 4
Continental 10
JAL 50
Primaris 35
Blue Panorama 4
First Choice 6
ANA 50
Icelandair 2
Air New Zealand 2

That would bring the order book to 233. However, some news sources state that the 787 has almost 260 orders. Who am I missing? Did ILFC finally make their order?

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User currently offlineHamlet69 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2745 posts, RR: 58
Reply 1, posted (9 years 8 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 7984 times:

Careful with your numbers. Some of the orders you list include options, while others do not. As it stands today, the 787 numbers should look like this:

Announced Firm Orders
China: 60
ANA: 50
JAL: 30
Primaris: 20
Continental: 10
First Choice: 6
Ethiopian: 5
Blue Panorama: 4
Vietnam Airlines: 4
Air New Zealand: 2
Icelandair: 2
Total: 193


Announced Options
JAL: 20
Air New Zealand: 16
Primaris: 15
Ethiopian: 5
First Choice: 3
Total: 59

Regards,

Hamlet69



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User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16335 posts, RR: 56
Reply 2, posted (9 years 8 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 7712 times:

The Chinese order for 60 is broken down as follows:
Air China 20
China Eastern 15
China Southern 10
Hainan Airlines 8
Shanghai Airlines 4
Xiamen Airlines 3.

Additionally,
the ANA order is for 30 787-3, 20 787-8
the JAL order for 30 is a mix of 787-3 and 787-8 with no breakdown yet (to my knowledge)
all other orders are for the 787-8 subtype.

Engines:
ANA opted for RR
First Choice was the first carrier to choose the GEnx.
No other carrier has chosen an engine yet to my mind (unless ANZ chose RR)?

Perhaps we could keep this thread updated as more 787 orders come in.



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User currently offlineQFA001 From Australia, joined May 2000, 673 posts, RR: 53
Reply 3, posted (9 years 8 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 7701 times:

Quoting Hamlet69 (Reply 1):
First Choice: 3

Hamlet69, even though it's very pedantic I'm going to point this out only because I realise that you value accuracy: when First Choice announced its GEnxs, the B787 deal seemed to have been altered from 3 options to 6.


User currently offlineBlsbls99 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 345 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (9 years 8 months 6 days ago) and read 7663 times:

ANZ also has chosen RR engines


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User currently offlineIanatstn From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 577 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (9 years 8 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 7539 times:

Quoting Blsbls99 (Reply 4):
ANZ also has chosen RR engines

This is a nice contract for RR to win, does anyone know what the key performance differences between the GEnx and RR engines are?

Cheers,
Ian.

[Edited 2005-03-28 10:55:37]


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User currently offlinePANAM_DC10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 4211 posts, RR: 89
Reply 6, posted (9 years 8 months 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 7459 times:
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Quoting Yyz717 (Reply 2):
The Chinese order for 60 is broken down as follows:
Air China 20
China Eastern 15
China Southern 10
Hainan Airlines 8
Shanghai Airlines 4
Xiamen Airlines 3.

Shanghai Airlines confirmed 9 this week, does that leave the Chinese order as follows?

Air China 15
China Eastern 15
China Southern 10
Xiamen 3 (add to CZ)
Hainan 8
Shanghai 9

Please correct me if I'm wrong

Regards



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User currently offlineDeltaWings From Switzerland, joined Aug 2004, 1294 posts, RR: 17
Reply 7, posted (9 years 8 months 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 7433 times:

Lets hope for a major Qatar announcement soon.


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User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5796 posts, RR: 47
Reply 8, posted (9 years 8 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 7231 times:

I think both Qatar and ILFC both said they will be placing orders for the 787 before the Paris Airshow.


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User currently offlineDColeMAN From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2004, 274 posts, RR: 10
Reply 9, posted (9 years 8 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 7188 times:

Britannia (Thomsonfly) has also placed an order, not exactly sure how many though.

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User currently offline7E72004 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3587 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (9 years 8 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 7156 times:

I would not be surprised if the Continental order falls through.


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User currently offlineBoeingBus From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1597 posts, RR: 17
Reply 11, posted (9 years 8 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 7110 times:

Korea is also close in ordering the 787, according to FI. This is probably the first win for the 787 against the A350.


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User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5796 posts, RR: 47
Reply 12, posted (9 years 8 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 7081 times:

This week can be a big week, first CO unions vote on the new contracts and if ratified will open the door to finalizing the deal between CO and Boeing. Also AC is supposed to be announcing the order for the new long range aircraft. Does anyone know when this week they'll e making an announcement?


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User currently offlineIowa744Fan From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 931 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (9 years 8 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 6280 times:

Quoting Ianatstn (Reply 5):
This is a nice contract for RR to win, does anyone know what the key performance differences between the GEnx and RR engines are?

I would say that the ANA deal was a much bigger win. I realize that ANA had RR engines on their L1011s, but they have not used RR in quite a while. I did see that RR and some of the Japanese industries announced some sort of agreement, so this likely helped with the order. Either way, good move by RR to get both a Japanese supplier and the large order!


User currently offlineDAYflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 3807 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (9 years 8 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 6191 times:

Looks like the 787 is eating the A-350 for lunch.  bigthumbsup 

I would not be surprised, however, to see an announcement from Airbus at the Paris show for some sort of A-350 order from somewhere.



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User currently offlinePHXinterrupted From United States of America, joined Apr 2002, 474 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (9 years 8 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 6152 times:

Quoting 7E72004 (Reply 10):

It may be delayed, but CO needs this plane. CO has a mere 18 777s and 26 767s. When you think about it, this is a very small widebody fleet for one of the world's 10 largest airlines. I'm sure that they recognize in order to survive, they must add more lucrative long-haul flights.



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User currently offlineColumbia107 From Gibraltar, joined Aug 2004, 358 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (9 years 8 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 6110 times:

Not really contributing additional statistical data but Aviation Week's web page has an article on the 787 which states, amongst others, that the 787 will be:-
- the first "electric" commercial airplane.
- the first user of electric brakes.
- 61% made of fatigue and corrosion-resistant materials.
It also highlights that Boeing has revised its customer formula which now reads customer=airline+bank thus taking into consideration the all important issue of finance in today's world.
It will come with very few systems options but like the auto industry Boeing will equip the 787 with a lot of extras which the customers and the users are dying for.
I say this because such statements have not been mentioned in the past. At least as far as I am concerned.



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User currently offlineLuniew From Poland, joined Feb 2005, 83 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (9 years 8 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 5621 times:

Lets hope LOT will make up their mind and order few 787's in few months.

User currently offlineCrosswind From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 2601 posts, RR: 58
Reply 18, posted (9 years 8 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 5134 times:
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Quoting DColeMAN (Reply 9):
Britannia (Thomsonfly) has also placed an order, not exactly sure how many though.

The deal was rumoured, but TUI have since gone public in Flight International and said that they have not even started the formal A350/B787 evaluation yet, and that they did not expect to place an order before 2007.

Regards
CROSSWIND


User currently offlineMidnightMike From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 2892 posts, RR: 14
Reply 19, posted (9 years 8 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 5025 times:

Quoting DAYflyer (Reply 14):
Looks like the 787 is eating the A-350 for lunch.

That would not be a very fair comment to make, the 787 has been around a lot longer than the A350....



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User currently offlineGalapagapop From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 910 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (9 years 8 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 4988 times:

I'm sure the A350 will recieve several orders after early test data for the A380 is released because I'm sure potential customers want to see if Airbus can deliver on promises of performance, seeing as Boeing has a very public program, while Airbus has been very quite on the A350 and its exact features.

Cheers!


User currently offlineZvezda From Lithuania, joined Aug 2004, 10511 posts, RR: 64
Reply 21, posted (9 years 8 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 4414 times:

While I wouldn't be surprised to see the B787 eat the A350's lunch, it is premature to say that it's doing so. Give the A350 another year or two.

User currently offlineTPASXM787 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1730 posts, RR: 19
Reply 22, posted (9 years 8 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 4331 times:

I can't wait for the 787. With all of the environmentally friendly features and the (apparent) pax-friendliness of the aircraft, it will revolutionize the industry.

Between the 787 and the A350, Boeing has been waging a P.R. war while Airbus has been quiet. Who knows what that means. It could mean something more incredible than the 787. It could also mean that the A350 is indeed nothing more than a re-done A330, which is a nice plane, but nothing like the 787 will be. Only time will tell. More info on the A350 would be nice though.



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User currently offlineDfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 997 posts, RR: 51
Reply 23, posted (9 years 8 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 4017 times:

Quoting TPASXM787 (Reply 22):
Between the 787 and the A350, Boeing has been waging a P.R. war while Airbus has been quiet

Quiet aren't the words I would use to describe John Leahy's comments on the 7E7/787

Quoting TPASXM787 (Reply 22):
Who knows what that means. It could mean something more incredible than the 787. It could also mean that the A350 is indeed nothing more than a re-done A330, which is a nice plane, but nothing like the 787 will be.

Unless the current A350 plans are just a smoke screen for something spectacular, the re-done A330 assessment is closer to reality. They are in talks with GE and RR for the same engines as the 787 (sans bleedless technology) and they are talking about a new composite wing. Seriously doubt they have something that could blow the 787 out of the water up their sleeve.


Quoting BoeingBus (Reply 11):
Korea is also close in ordering the 787, according to FI. This is probably the first win for the 787 against the A350.

The rammifications (sp?) of this potential order could be huge. Much bigger than the ANA, JAL, Continental, and China orders:

  • KE is an A330 carrier. If Boeing wins this order, it would be the first order in which Boeing has upset the incumbent Airbus fleet
  • This is the first major order where the merits of the 787 and A350 have gone head-to-head. For lack of a short-range version (and politics if you want to believe that), Airbus didn't stand a chance in the JAL/ANA orders.


User currently offlineFrankhenderson From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 32 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (9 years 8 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 3991 times:

Why the designation of 787-300 and 787-800? Why not start with -100 & -200? It's the same thing with the A380 - how did the come up with the dash #'s?

Thanks,


25 DfwRevolution : First, they are not the -300/800. It's -3/8, -9. These reflect the range/payload of the respective models. Initially, the 7E7 models were called 7E7-
26 Post contains images BlueSky1976 : I'd imagine more info about A350 will become available during Paris Air Show. Boeing kept relatively quiet about 787 for almost a year until they were
27 TPASXM787 : You're not kidding.... John Leahy, chief commercial officer, said: "It is time to reinforce our sales activities in Japan and strengthen our marketin
28 DfwRevolution : I think it's likely that the A350 will get a bit of a nose job, so the 787 might not have the only distinctive snout for long. Airbus mentioned an im
29 Zvezda : Huh? Has Boeing already completed the design definition of the B787?
30 QFA001 : Are you referring to the "droop nose"? That isn't a reference to the snout, but to the leading edge of the wing. This is where the A330's inboard sla
31 DfwRevolution : Ah... that makes more sense...
32 ETStar : Funny how I came across a report that stated that Ethiopian and Boeing were at a preliminary agreement for the 787s... and that further negotiations
33 Luniew : Since I fly LOT a LOT JFK-WAW-JFK I would love to see 787... But I guess the A350 will do if it comes down to it.
34 N1120A : What? Less than a year? Different wing and strengthened underpinnings for short-hauls too. Depends if they want to upgauge, burn more fuel and pay mo
35 Zvezda : I think it has more to do with whether or not Poland wants to suck up to the French after the French government told the Polish government not to exp
36 Post contains links PANAM_DC10 : Ok, Boeing have not listed the order firm on their orders site yet, however, I find it funny that Boeing and Ethiopian both have agreed on the order
37 Keesje : I still miss a western flag/major carrier. Boeing too I think. Hopefully at le Bourget.
38 Post contains images PANAM_DC10 : Replace "Boeing" with "Airbus" and I think Airbus might just be saying the same for the A350 too Regards
39 Post contains links Behramjee : According to the latest news bulletin of ATWONLINE.COM, Korean Air is in serious talks with BOEING for an order of 20 Boeing 787s!!! http://www.atwonl
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