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NY Times Can't Tell DC-9 Or CRJ Apart  
User currently offlineDAYflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 3807 posts, RR: 3
Posted (9 years 5 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 2858 times:

This article will be a real laugher to all here at the net; the New York Times has a splendid photo of a CRJ taking off. Only problem is, they call it a DC-9. Aren't these the guys reporting "all the news that's fit to print"? I thought they were somewhat better than this.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/03/29/bu...e0219c8c5&ei=5089&partner=rssyahoo


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User currently offlineLV From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 2005 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (9 years 5 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 2827 times:

To be fair to this guys they are not aviation experts, just reporters. From a distance they look the same to an untrained eye and to be honest I have mixed them from from a distance before. Give these guys credit that they got that close, its better than a lot of other media outlets do

User currently offlineLAS757300 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 261 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (9 years 5 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 2805 times:

Show that picture to 90% of the people in Minneapolis or Detroit and they'll have no idea what kind of plane it is. Not everyone is as knowledgeable as the people on this board.


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User currently offlineNewark777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 9348 posts, RR: 29
Reply 3, posted (9 years 5 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 2797 times:

The editor probably said something like, "Get a picture of that Northwest plane with two engines on the back." Can't fault him too much; remember, not everyone is as smart as we are.  Smile

Harry



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User currently onlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20640 posts, RR: 62
Reply 4, posted (9 years 5 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 2785 times:

It's a wire service file photo from the Associated Press that they used to illustrate the article (that's what "Jim Mone/Associated Press" in the bottom right corner means). So it was either the AP who mislabeled the photo, or the Times just disregarded the label on it.


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User currently offlineJean Leloup From Canada, joined Apr 2001, 2116 posts, RR: 19
Reply 5, posted (9 years 5 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 2782 times:

Actually, from a good distance, if I can't tell see the winglets, I often mistake the two myself. Especially in NW's old livery, for some reason.

Proportionally, a CRJ-200 is not all that different from a DC9 30 or maybe -50.

Just be thankful it wasn't a 747!



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User currently offlineDAYflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 3807 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (9 years 5 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 2775 times:

But I still get a big chuckle out of it.....  laughing 


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User currently onlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20640 posts, RR: 62
Reply 7, posted (9 years 5 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 2747 times:

Quoting DAYflyer (Reply 6):
But I still get a big chuckle out of it..

So did I. It showed that some folks on this board know as much about copy editing and how newspapers are published as aviation. Big grin



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User currently offlineAR1300 From Argentina, joined Feb 2005, 1740 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (9 years 5 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 2731 times:

I like the ''like the one above part''.LOL.
Overhere when the President's 757 had an emergency landing due to left engine fire right after take off a couple of monthsago, in the Clarin, our most important newspaper, posted a picture of a 737-700 right next to ''the Presidents plane, a 757''.

Mike.



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User currently offlineAsstChiefMark From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (9 years 5 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 2712 times:

I don't know how they can screw it up so often. It's apples and oranges. You never see a picture of a Dodge Intrepid with this caption: "The back seat of a Ford Crown Victoria can comfortably thrill three pairs of horny teenagers."

Mark


User currently offlineJmc1975 From Israel, joined Sep 2000, 3279 posts, RR: 15
Reply 10, posted (9 years 5 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 2704 times:

Primadonna liberal media at its finest!  Yeah sure


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User currently offlineBohica From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2700 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (9 years 5 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 2618 times:

Quoting Jean Leloup (Reply 5):
Just be thankful it wasn't a 747!

As stupid as the press is, I'm surprised they didn't call it a 747. They think every airplane is a 747.


User currently offlineExFATboy From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2974 posts, RR: 8
Reply 12, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 2484 times:

And the reporter refers to JetBlue's Embraers as "regional jets", too.

I really don't think it's too much to ask for a newspaper (especially the largest paper in the nation's largest city) to have a reporter who knows something about the airline industry.


User currently offlineDAYflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 3807 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 2464 times:

Quoting ExFATboy (Reply 12):
I really don't think it's too much to ask for a newspaper (especially the largest paper in the nation's largest city) to have a reporter who knows something about the airline industry.

Are they not supposed to check on this stuff before it goes to press??



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User currently offlineCkfred From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 5239 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2366 times:

That article ran in the Sunday Transportation section of the Chicago Tribune. One would think that the editors who deal with aviation regularly would have picked up on this.

User currently offline320tech From Turks and Caicos Islands, joined May 2004, 491 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 2235 times:

Every time the newspaper deals with something that I actually know about, they get it wrong. But what's really bad is that I still read the paper every day and generally believe what I read.

It's true that the newspapers have little time to prepare their articles, but with the internet, there's really no excuse for making the basic mistakes they often do.

While I'm at it, one of my pet peeves with newspapers is spelling, grammatical, and especially usage errors. I try to be the best AME I can, and obviously try not to make mistakes. Reporters are wordsmiths. They shouldn't make as many mistakes as they do.



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User currently offlineWA727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 174 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 2215 times:

The worst is when they say something like, "a jumbo jet takes off from..." And the picture is clearly a narrow body.


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User currently offlineNewark777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 9348 posts, RR: 29
Reply 17, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 2047 times:

Quoting ExFATboy (Reply 12):
And the reporter refers to JetBlue's Embraers as "regional jets", too.

Surprisingly, a lot of people here make that mistake also. It seems as though people think Embraer only makes RJ's.

Harry



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User currently offlineQuestAir From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 367 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 2018 times:

I got a copy of the paper in school today and noticed that. Was going to post about it earlier, but you beat me to it, DAYflier!


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User currently offlineMD-90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 8507 posts, RR: 12
Reply 19, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 1953 times:

So, just how much do y'all trust the other "facts" in the papers? If they can get this wrong, why not something else?

User currently offlineSanjet From Canada, joined Mar 2005, 180 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 1931 times:

You have to remember this happens on a daily basis. Specially nowadays where reporters have less time to investigate and confirm thanks to the internet and live broadcast.
Public now want news from the last hour, not yesterdays'. Mix ups like this will only increase in the future so learn to read and watch the media with "moderation". I'm sure if they show us a picture of HMS Olympic and tell us it was the Titanic, most of us will not notice the error since we're not boat enthusiasts. (Olympic was a sister ship of Titanic.... and looked similar).



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User currently offlineN844AA From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1352 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 1883 times:

Some of you guys seem to be getting pretty worked up about what is a fairly minor mistake. I just took a look at that article, and I don't see a photo or the caption the original poster is referring to, so I don't know where the copy editing chain might have broken down. But, you know, this really isn't that big of a deal. It's not a reason to call into question the credibility and accuracy of an entire news gathering and reporting institution. Should it have happened? Of course not. But nor is this part of some mysterious newsman cabal designed to keep people confused about the difference between an RJ and a DC-9. I can imagine this being a situation of a caption quite accurately referring to NW's plans to retire DC-9s that was then, regrettably or defensibly, coupled with a generic-NW-aircraft type photo. But as I haven't seen the photo or caption, I reserve judgment on that matter.

If it really bothers you, contact the corrections desk, and I'll bet you see a correction tomorrow or the day after. No respectable newspaper wants to print false or incorrect information but the New York Times, in particular, hates being wrong. I think they take a masochistic pleasure in correcting their mistakes.



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User currently offlineFriendlySkies From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 4106 posts, RR: 5
Reply 22, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 1852 times:

Just remember...to 95% of the public, that's an Airbus 747.  Wink

User currently offlineTwinOtter From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 201 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 1802 times:

N844AA is right -- from today's edition of the Times:

Corrections: For the Record

Published: March 30, 2005
A picture caption in Business Day yesterday with an article about a reduction in seats available on domestic airline flights misidentified a jet flown by Northwest Airlines, which is retiring 24 of its DC-9 aircraft. It was a CRJ-200, not a DC-9. (Go to Article)


User currently offlineMikefad From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 120 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 1756 times:

How can one fault the "Times" for a minor mistake. We all know they are very busy tending to more important issues. Like promoting a political message and slamming the President of the United States of America.
The Times also works with a limited amount of resources(yeah,right) that are to be spread thinly on checking all the details of the stories they print. They just can't start MAKING UP STORIES NOW ,CAN THEY?


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