MaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 16483 posts, RR: 48 Posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 3847 times:
I had a run in with the retarded bobble-heads we call the TSA here today. I wear soft canvas shoes so that I'm able to pass through security without having to take off my shoes--as the TSA recommends one do. Moreover the TSA policy is that you do not have to take off your shoes, as was stated in a press release and a following media flurry.
However, in typical retarded-mafia fashion, the TSA continued their policy of security-by-mass stupidity/confusion/disorganization/blackmail. That's not to say that I would expect anything else from the lowest IQ department of the governemnt...which is saying a lot. I walked through the metal detector archway and there was no flag, but the TSA airhead stated that he "recommended I take off my shoes or else I'd face secondary screening".
Ah, there was the blackmail part that I've come expect from the branch of the government that travels on the short bus. Instead of strangling his neck, I decided it would be more prudent to just take off my shoes and suck it up but at this point my blood pressure must have doubled. I collected my belongings and went to talk to what looked like the head TSA moron. Turns out that at least in this location, they do not follow their own policy (I know...shock...dismay). Maybe the idiot confused my $20 blue Pumas for a car bomb...I guess that could happen when you only have 3 working synapses in your head.
So to make a long rant short, I have two questions.
1) What is the TSA policy regarding wearing shoes through the metal detector archway in your airport? God knows they couldn't apply the same policy department-wide if their lives depended on it.
2) What is the best way to notify the powers that be of TSA errors, misuse of power, inconsistencies, etc.?
PER744 From Australia, joined Mar 2003, 405 posts, RR: 2 Reply 1, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 3822 times:
I came across the exact same situation at SFO on Saturday. We were told "We recommend you remove your shoes or you'll be subject to secondary screening, and that will take 15 minutes" even though there were several screeners standing around and no one in line.
On the same day in LAS and LAX I had no problem with keeping my shoes on.
Wukka From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 1013 posts, RR: 17 Reply 2, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 3806 times:
I've purchased shoes especially for flying that have no shanks or anything in the soles that won't kick a detector simply because I don't like the "walking barefoot in a locker-room" concept of picking up someone else's foot funk.
Sometimes they still order that I take them off at various airports, even after I've requested that I at least *try* once to get through with my non-metal shoes. Threats about secondaries generally ensue.
Seems like half the time JFK or EWR couldn't give a care, but some of the smaller ports are thrilled with making people do everything short of strip in public; at least that's my experience with it.
Oh, and didn't some PM from Papua New Guinea get all bent about the Aussie screening making him take off his shoes today? I thought that I heard a news quip about it somewhere. I may be wrong or daydreaming on this, though.
Newark777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 9348 posts, RR: 31 Reply 4, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 3798 times:
Quoting Wukka (Reply 2): Seems like half the time JFK or EWR couldn't give a care
Sounds about right. I once got on a CO flight out of EWR, and realized after I boarded that I had left my Swiss Army knife in my carry on. You would think they would have found a large knife in my bag, but nothing surprises me anymore.
CV63 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 106 posts, RR: 5 Reply 5, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 3791 times:
It seems like taking off ones shoes is the new fad for TSA. The next big decision one has to make is, do I send my shoes through in the gray bin or do I put through individually. I have had been asked to do both. Give me a break. TSA should make it standard everywhere instead of letting individual TSA decide what is or not policy.
SilentObserver From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 42 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 3759 times:
At PHL you have to show a TSA person your boarding pass and photo ID again to even get a gray bin. Not to mentioned everything needs it own separate bin. One for shoes (and they must come off), one for the laptop, one for the coat, one for anything else you might have. I once ended up with 4 bins and 2 carry-ons. Not very efficient, and then I was told to move it along as I tried to redress myself. You also have to carry your boarding pass thru the metal detector to show another TSA person on the otherside. That's ID once to rent a cop, and twice to TSA. No idea why, and don't ask, I tried and trust me bad result. (This was not a one time experience either, I was commuting for 3 months and everyweek the same drill.) The best day was then they were handing out cards to time how long you waited, funny how the line all the way down the bridge to the parking deck and they were handing them out about 5 people in front of the rent a cop. Offically my thru time was 10 mins, but I actually waited over an hour.
Here at ORD, it's everything in one bin, I keep my shoes on and walk right thru. No problems. Most of the time it takes less then 5 mins all told.
FLL a week ago, I got told flat out shoes off, but they could share a bin with my coat. (I had tennis shoes on too.)
As mentioned before, do what they say or suggest, because it's going to be painful otherwise. And if you in a hurry, forget about it, that an automatic molestation request.
B4real From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2602 posts, RR: 6 Reply 8, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 3758 times:
The big stink is that the TSA is looking for (and has the right to look for) more than just metal. So if they recommend you take off your shoes - take them off. Or enjoy a complimentary upgrade to the second screening process.
What's the big deal? I travel very frequently and have a routine: shoes off, laptop out, keys/change/wallet/phone in the bag. Not that tough, and I'm even lazy.
RedFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4214 posts, RR: 30 Reply 10, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 3735 times:
I don't have a problem with TSA and appreciate what they have to do with what they have. Also, consider how monotonous that job must be. However, more to the point, I travel so much I've got the routine down pat and have no issues with taking off my shoes.
But it does drive me insane to hear them say every time "We RECOMMEND you take off your shoes". And I've watched countless people get stopped and ordered to take off their shoes before passing through the metal detector.
The point is, folks like us know better and take off the shoes regardless but the typical traveling public doesn't know any better and will leave the shoes on.
It is just a VERY confusing policy and needs to be changed. Either TELL everyone to take off the shoes or just let them through and re-check those that set off the alarm.
Hawk44 From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 759 posts, RR: 3 Reply 13, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 3713 times:
In FLL they recommend you remove your shoes, if you refuse which a lady did a few days ago she then was put into secondary screening and started making a huge scene and refused to let them search her shoes and also got a little hands on with one of the screeners which just made her case even worse.
I also noticed in FLL they have little paper slippers for you to wear when you take your shoes off.
DeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8818 posts, RR: 12 Reply 15, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 3670 times:
Here at GSO, it's take the shoes off or you get a free, 15 minute vacation to Secondary Search Land. I personally know my shoes have shanks in them so I take them off, but if I was travelling with sneakers (which I have done once in the past 10 years), I'd be annoyed.
As for consistency, it's the TSA. There is none. I carry an umbrella in my briefcase, and at every airport I've cleared security in recently (GSO, BOS, MHT, LAX, IAD, CLE, and a few more) I've been told I can keep it in my briefcase - in the words of a TSA screener "we know what they look like." However, at DCA, they make you take it out. So here I am, at the checkpoint racing to make a flight (I was on the 645 shuttle, trying to get onto the 445 though, and it was 425), taking my laptop out, shoes off, umbrella out, belt off, cell phone in briefcase, putting briefcase and rollaboard on the belt...it was a hassle. Now, I do a lot of these tasks before the checkpoint normally, but there was no line today, so I didn't have time to do it while waiting in line.
At least recently, it's been consistent on ID check. Rent-a-cop checks ID and boarding pass at front of line, TSA only checks boarding pass at the metal detector, and I've only been asked for ID at the gate once (and that was at DCA to get a new boarding pass while entering the jetway - if I had a boarding pass prior to this, I wouldn't have had to).
If only there was a common policy, it would be easier. Laptops out is already done. Maybe if they adopted the line on shoes it would be better.
Lobster From Germany, joined Oct 2008, 49 posts, RR: 0 Reply 16, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 3656 times:
I was at SFO a couple weeks ago and I had to take my boots off. It doesn't bother me that much to have to take my shoes off, but if I have to untie my boots, go through the metal detector, and then retie my boots while at the same time not trying to get in the way of other people coming through after me. Why can't they give you a place to sit down and tie your shoes/boots? On top of the fact that I don't want to walk around in my socks on the dirty carpet.
MaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 16483 posts, RR: 48 Reply 17, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 3643 times:
"TSA = Terrorist Support Agency"
I love that one.
"If you want to professionalize, you have to privatize."
Absolutely true. I've worked with the mentally retarded (TSA) as well as private agencies for the same needs, and the private agencies always a) do it right, b) are dependable, and c) don't black mail me. After all, for every time the TSA audits the private agencies how many times do you think they audit their own people? *crickets chirping*
SU From Russia, joined Apr 2004, 360 posts, RR: 2 Reply 21, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 3496 times:
I hold foreign passport, have dark hair and brown eyes, I am Star Gold and most of the times fly domestic one ways. I get always secondary screening in US airports, so no reason for me to take my shoes off as they will send me to the secondary screening anyway.
Ckfred From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 4906 posts, RR: 1 Reply 23, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 3475 times:
Every time I hear, "We recommend that you take off your shoes," I say that my shoes don't set off the metal detectors at ORD. I usually get a line about trying it, but if I set off the metal detectors, then I will get extra screening. I don't set them off.
The good one was that a TSA numbskull recommended that I take the shoes off my son, who is 22 months. After I explained that his shoes have no metal, that taking his shoes off and putting them back on will hold up the line, and that the secondary screening runs the risk if his slapping, clawing, headbutting, or trying to grab the wand and chew it, they let him go through with his shoes on.
Here's the real doosie. At ATL, the screeners on the other side of the metal detectors want to see your boarding pass and ID. This is after showing them to get into the line for security. I told the screener that I had put them in my blazer, which I had to take off to put through the x-ray machine. His look was, "Yeah, I know this is stupid, but I just follow orders. I don't make them."
Ntspelich From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 764 posts, RR: 0 Reply 24, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 3473 times:
Quoting SilentObserver (Reply 7): At PHL you have to show a TSA person your boarding pass and photo ID again to even get a gray bin. Not to mentioned everything needs it own separate bin. One for shoes (and they must come off)
Last Friday they didn't make me take my shoes off going through the C pier security. And I only had to show my boarding card at the start of the line and after going through the magnometer. I think that you might have just had an incredibly fiesty person.
United 717 heavy, you're facing the wrong way. Any chance you can powerback to get off of my deice pad?
25 Flybyguy: They had me take off my shoes at ONT just last week. I never had to take off my shoes at SYR or JFK. When I took and international flight out of JFK t
26 Starrion: ""If you want to professionalize, you have to privatize."" That's a joke right? Prior to 9/11 the private security companies were the biggest pack of
27 MaverickM11: "Prior to 9/11 the private security companies were the biggest pack of morons ever collected into a single herd" And then they all became government e
28 LTBEWR: Besides the many times flying, I have probably had to go through the security at Federal and State office buildings and court houses hundreds of times
29 Zvezda: They aren't any better now. How could they have been good prior to 9/11? They weren't responsible. If AA and UA had been given the freedom to set sec
30 1011: In the last few months that I have been flying, some airports make you take your shoes off. San Diego- UA terminal need to take shoes off, terminal 2
31 Zvezda: It's theatre. It's to make stupid people feel safe and to embolden real terrorists who see what bufoons and daft methods the Terrorist Support Agency
32 Avek00: Remember folks, it's not about BEING safe, but rather FEELING safe. Don't you FEEL safer having to take off your shoes, jacket, belt, and soon, underw
33 ANCFlyer: As you mentioned, officially, you don't have to take off your shoes, but at ANC I will frickin' guarantee a secondary screening if you do not. I'd ra
34 MaverickM11: "I'd rather not get my blood worked up over the stupid, waste of money, TSA this morning" Just thinking about one of the many times they've blackmaile
35 EuroBonus: Last time I was at MIA heading for Caracas, the control was very smooth (can't recall about I wore sandals or shoes). Next time is Barranquilla from M
36 PA110: Actually not so... there was a huge stink on the West Coast with accusations of racism running from Seattle to San Diego. 99% of all screeners at SFO
37 Zvezda: I'll grant that they have better communication skills, but I don't consider that a plus because they use those skills to insult, intimidate, and harr
38 Ba97: Has someone not initiated a litigation case against the TSA or government for exposing persons to various biological hazards which could be present in
39 KFLLCFII: Flew FLL-TPA about a month back...Booked the flight the night before AND it was one-way, so of course my boarding pass had the "SSSS" on the bottom (e
40 Jgold47: TSA=Trained Shoe Analysts My biggest gripe is the lack of consistancy and the general unwillingness of the TSA to even try to have good 'customer serv
41 Airbazar: I always deny their recommendation and line up for the secondary screening, knowing full well they hate it more than I do. By that time I've already c
42 764: It's the TSA, what can you say..... The worst airport I know (regarding TSA arrogance that is) is Fargo. I refuse to take off my shoes since the offic
43 Midway2airtran: Agreed!! The goal after 9-11 was right, but not the method. All the goverment had to do was to supply the equipment and assist with training for the
44 Ckfred: Here's something to think about. I go to a courthouse in suburban Chicago fairly regularly. For more than 10 years, anyone going in has had to turn on
45 ANCFlyer: Unfortunately, I must fly to get to work . . . every two weeks, at a minumum, 800 miles from ANC to SCC or visa versa. So I have to deal with these i
46 Aerofan: Talking about being searched and stupid policies. I have been flying to and from DC twice a month every month for the last 2 years. The thing about it
47 Pualani: When I am at work in my uniform, the airports on the West Coast let the crews keep their shoes on if they like. I bought shoes that are advertised as
48 Palmjet: I agree. There appears to be a total lack of consistency in the application of the 'shoes off' policy which leads to nothing but frustration for trave
49 Cxsjr: Once again, I don't understand the shoe thing. Richard Reid, yes he tried to blow up his shoe. But those 9/11 boys used carpet knives (didn't they?).
50 Smcmac32msn: I'd agree that most people on this board would fail the TSA test because we're actually too smart. At ORD last summer, and again in January, it took
51 Ckfred: Aerofan: Don't blame the airlines. TSA has a policy that tends to cause an awful lot of secondary screening for non-rev passengers. A friend of mine f
52 Zvezda: This is just like the well-publicized court cases last year of police departments denying the applications of anyone scoring above, say, 105 or 110 o
53 Smcmac32msn: Wow, your giving them a lot of credit... but of course, 90 is probably a stupid-vis... I mean Supervisor.
54 Aerofan: CKFred, I try not to, but it is rather difficult to be objective sometimes. I guess I should just stop non revving ...
55 Jfkaua: At RSW everyone had to take off their shoes.. no matter how old.. and you have alot of elders down there... and I exagerate not when I say it is a ver
56 F9Animal: Slam the TSA. Call them a bunch of morons. Call them stupid. Call them what you like. Fact is, they are paid to do a job. Regardless, they are there t
57 Wukka: Of course! Because those dangerous flip-flops with the killer shank in them shouldn't be allowed anywhere near a beach... err... a plane! I'm right t
58 Wukka: Of course! Because those dangerous flip-flops with the killer shank in them shouldn't be allowed anywhere near a beach... err... a plane! I'm right t
59 Zvezda: Wukka, welcome to my respected users list!!
60 Ckfred: Wukka: It seems that most of my gripes about TSA are with the checkpoint on T Concourse for AA and UA. I've sent e-mails to TSA, and I usually get a f
61 ANCFlyer: How about starting with consistency and common sense. Lets start there Animal (Cool screen name by the by). Just like Police Work, most of it is comm
62 Smcmac32msn: If I could figure out how to take other people off my RR list, you'd be on!
63 Vs25: As a Brit that grew up in Northern Ireland I'm used to a certain amount of security. In the old days there used to a police office watching everyone w
64 Wukka: I thank you, Sir, and based on what I've read of your past responses, I welcome you to my RU list, as well!
65 N1120A: Yeah, so that is why the US government ended private screening for the TSA? Or perhaps that is why there was only one person in the tower at ZRH when
66 Wukka: Just out of curiosity, how many folks, after removing their laptop, have been told to boot the thing up, *after* going through the scanner at a check
67 RwSEA: See, this is exactly the problem. The weapons used by 9/11 hijackers were ALLOWED on board an aircraft. The system worked exactly as prescribed ! 9/1
68 FlyMeToTheMoon: The shoe policy is probably one of the most imbecilic things that the TSA came up with. While I can see how they are scared after the Richard Reed inc
69 10MID: Went through security at SFO the other day with my brother. Both of us each wore a fleece sweatshirt which has zippers all the way down, but had it zi
70 ACDC8: Does anyone remember the movie "Airplane"? I can't remember if it was the first or second part. But there was the one scene where they were at the air
71 SprxUSA: If anyone happens to travel from Boise,ID, it is HIGHLY recommended that you remove your shoes. Also, you will have to show boarding pass and ID prior
72 Wukka: You've proven the point. Why should anyone have to "reassemble" themselves after going through "Checkpoint Charlie"? It's a sad commentary on our cur