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Korean Airlines Close To 20+ 787 Deal.  
User currently offlineGreaser From Bahamas, joined Jan 2004, 1101 posts, RR: 4
Posted (9 years 3 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 7433 times:

ATWonline has a little blurb on Insiders telling about "an order and options package "for at least 20 aircraft." "

The deal could be worth up to US$2.4bn (for 20 787s)




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User currently offlineGreaser From Bahamas, joined Jan 2004, 1101 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (9 years 3 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 7160 times:

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User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5731 posts, RR: 48
Reply 2, posted (9 years 3 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 7120 times:

Awesome! Sounds like another win for the 787! Anyone know when it's will be announced?


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User currently offlinePANAM_DC10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 4115 posts, RR: 90
Reply 3, posted (9 years 3 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 7095 times:
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Thanks Greaser

This will be interesting to see the outcome of this. If Korean do order the 787 over the A350 will this be one of the first head to head sales campaigns between A350 & 787 where technical merit will dictate the winner?

Regards



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User currently offlineDAYflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 3807 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (9 years 3 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 7072 times:

Quoting PANAM_DC10 (Reply 3):
If Korean do order the 787 over the A350 will this be one of the first head to head sales campaigns between A350 & 787 where technical merit will dictate the winner?

Thats correct, and if I'm not mistaken, is Korea considering the replacement of some mailine/narrowbody aircraft too? If so, this could help decide the 737 vs A-319/320 issue.

Great news for Boeing!



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User currently offlineLeelaw From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (9 years 3 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 7028 times:

Have South Korean companies been awarded any 787 subcontracting work?

User currently offlineDeltaWings From Switzerland, joined Aug 2004, 1294 posts, RR: 17
Reply 6, posted (9 years 3 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 7023 times:

Any chance they ordered the 789?


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User currently offlinePANAM_DC10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 4115 posts, RR: 90
Reply 7, posted (9 years 3 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 7013 times:
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DAYflyer

I'm not too sure what their NB requirement exactly is. Last I heard was that they were leasing a 739 and possibly another to OKAir in China. I wasn't sure they had an RFP or Tender out for further Narrowbody airplanes. Any update would be appreciated.

Regards



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User currently offlineUdo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (9 years 3 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 6940 times:

Quoting DAYflyer (Reply 4):
If so, this could help decide the 737 vs A-319/320 issue.

KE operate 14 B738 and 15 (soon 16) B739, why would they even think of a replacement? No chance for Airbus narrowbodies.

B787 make sense, they can be used to replace remaining A300 and early A330-300 models on shorter Asian routes. Plus 788 could be used to expand on thinner long haul routes, KE seem to have a shortage here with only three A332.


Regards
Udo


User currently offlineQFA001 From Australia, joined May 2000, 673 posts, RR: 54
Reply 9, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 6562 times:

Quoting Greaser (Thread starter):
ATWonline has a little blurb on Insiders telling about "an order and options package "for at least 20 aircraft." "

The insiders are probably in the Orders Forum. This post showed up just prior to ATWonline making reference to the 20 figure.


User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5731 posts, RR: 48
Reply 10, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 6513 times:

Quoting QFA001 (Reply 9):
The insiders are probably in the Orders Forum. This post showed up just prior to ATWonline making reference to the 20 figure.

The order's forum entry cites FI as the source of the info where I believe they cited insiders.



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User currently offlineCarpethead From Japan, joined Aug 2004, 2940 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 6481 times:

Why would KE need a new type of narrowbody aircraft? All of its 737NGs are less than 5 years old. When it signed the 737NG agreement with Boeing back in the late 1990s, it wanted to cut down its types of narrowbody aircraft. It operated MD-80s, 727s & Fokker 100. Now its just 737NGs.

Interesting to hear KE may opt for the 787. The 787-3 would be perfect to replace for those soon to be old A300-622Rs. The A333 & A332 would not be an ideal replacement for the those AB6 as they have too much weight or capacity.

It will be interesting where KE will head when it goes for its 744 replacement. Though a handful are new (less than 5 years old), most of the fleet were delivered in the early 90s. KE has a few A380s on order but will it opt to keep it small or order a bunch more. The problem with 773ER is that KE's 777 fleet is PW-powered, but that didn't keep carrier like EK, SQ or NH from ordered it despite operating a ton of 777 on different engines.


User currently offlineDfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 960 posts, RR: 51
Reply 12, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 6454 times:

Quoting Leelaw (Reply 5):
Have South Korean companies been awarded any 787 subcontracting work?

Nothing significant-

http://www.boeing.com/commercial/7e7/dev_team.html


User currently offlineLehpron From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 7028 posts, RR: 21
Reply 13, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 6432 times:

Quoting Carpethead (Reply 11):
Why would KE need a new type of narrowbody aircraft?

It's a wide body, just about the similar scale to a 763.



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User currently offlineN60659 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 654 posts, RR: 25
Reply 14, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 6408 times:

Quoting Lehpron (Reply 13):
Quoting Carpethead (Reply 11):
Why would KE need a new type of narrowbody aircraft?

It's a wide body, just about the similar scale to a 763.

Lehpron, I think Carpethead's response was to this:

Quoting DAYflyer (Reply 4):
Thats correct, and if I'm not mistaken, is Korea considering the replacement of some mailine/narrowbody aircraft too? If so, this could help decide the 737 vs A-319/320 issue

Carpethead, please feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.



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User currently offlineQFA001 From Australia, joined May 2000, 673 posts, RR: 54
Reply 15, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 6354 times:

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 10):
The order's forum entry cites FI as the source of the info where I believe they cited insiders.

The post clearly mentions 20 airplanes from a non-FI source.  Yeah sure


User currently offlinePANAM_DC10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 4115 posts, RR: 90
Reply 16, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 6334 times:
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Quoting QFA001 (Reply 9):
The insiders are probably in the Orders Forum. This post showed up just prior to ATWonline making reference to the 20 figure

Not unless your employer blocks access to the site  Sad Good to see you here QFA001

Back OT. Can anyone clarify how many 739s KE will lease to OKAir China, 2?

Regards



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User currently offlineMalb777 From Australia, joined Jul 2004, 462 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 6266 times:

Way to go Boeing , good to see more orders for 787, Hopefully we will see a major European carrier soon . And dare I dream QF Smile


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User currently offlinePropulsion From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2004, 294 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 5797 times:

It is always amazing to see how the a thread on Airliners.net begins with one thing and by the end a multitude of people appear to have read about 50 different things from the first post.  old 

At present, this is NOT AN ORDER.  no  It is merely suggesting that so-called 'insiders' (we don't know who exactly?) believe that Korean Air are close to agreeing a deal for up to 20 7e7's comprising of a combination of firm orders and options.  spin 

We know nothing more from this post. If it were to become reality than that would of course be very good news.  yes 

Don't get carried away prematurely though!  praise 



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User currently offlineTradewindL1011 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 179 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 5350 times:

Quoting Propulsion (Reply 18):
Korean Air are close to agreeing a deal for up to 20 7e7's comprising of a combination of firm orders and options.

We know nothing more from this post.

-I think we do know one thing for sure, they're not looking at "7e7s", but rather the 787.


User currently offlineDAYflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 3807 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 5242 times:

Quoting Udo (Reply 8):
operate 14 B738 and 15 (soon 16) B739, why would they even think of a replacement? No chance for Airbus narrowbodies

Udo,

Thanks very much for the clarification on the NB fleet. I had not realized the 737-8,9 has been ordered.

Regards



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User currently offlineCarpethead From Japan, joined Aug 2004, 2940 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 4860 times:

Lehpron, what I meant was that somebody suggested KE order the A320. I think this is all resolved now.

KE similar to Japanese airlines do not need an ultra-long haul aircraft. The European continent and North America can be well covered by existing aircraft types. The only places out of reach are South America and Africa which there is very little direct traffic.
With the 787, it offers a smaller aircraft with enough range (787-8) plus provide enough capacity on those short-haul regional routes (787-3). Now if KE opt for this route only KE's top brass know this.

Of course, additional A332/333s or the A350 is an alternative but Airbus has yet to formally launch the latter type and the all variants are a little weighty to replace the AB6 one-on-one. I am not sure KE wants to wait until early or mid-2010s to replace the remaining AB6 fleet.


User currently offlineFlykal From Australia, joined Sep 2003, 442 posts, RR: 3
Reply 22, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 4626 times:

Interesting to read the speculation about this.

It's a sunny but cool afternoon here in Seoul and I can confirm that B7E7 information (as that is still what it's being called here) is circulating the office. There as been a lot of B7E7 information moving around here recently, but nothing final yet to come from the VP floor.

Keep speculating folks!

Cheers.



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User currently offlineAerobalance From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 4681 posts, RR: 47
Reply 23, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 4517 times:

Quoting Flykal (Reply 22):
Interesting to read the speculation about this.

It's a sunny but cool afternoon here in Seoul and I can confirm that B7E7 information (as that is still what it's being called here) is circulating the office. There as been a lot of B7E7 information moving around here recently, but nothing final yet to come from the VP floor.

Keep speculating folks!

Cheers.

So KL will be ordering the A333??



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User currently offlineLockheed1011 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 156 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 4068 times:

Once again................... The B787 kicking A..!  Smile Smile Smile Smile

Lockheed-Martin, please get into the commercial production again. Boeing has no competition available for the 787. Only you guys can come up with something new and different!  Wink


25 Post contains images Greaser : There is quite abit of speculation on the residual value of the A330-300 after the A350 becomes operational (or even now). So getting more A330-300s
26 Post contains images TeamREGAL : I loved the time when Lockheed was in the ring with Boeing and Airbus. Boeing (MD) vs. Airbus vs. Lockheed-Martin...CLASSIC!  [Edited 2005-03-30 16
27 Leskova : If you don't mind my asking - what does KLM have to do with this thread? And why would KLM want to order A330-300s? And even if you meant KE (=Korean
28 Post contains images Anxebla : Then ...Is it a "white" lie?? he he, typical from some a.net posters. Keep us informed, Flykal This is for you, Greaser. Please, help us to make a be
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