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All Cigarette Lighters Banned Passed TSA  
User currently offlineSquirrel83 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 3733 times:

Cigarette lighters have now been added to the list of items banned beyond airport checkpoints by the Transportation security Administration (TSA).

This policy will be enforced from April 14, 2005, and will cover all kinds of lighters, including butane, absorbed fuel (Zippo type), electric/battery operated and novelty lighters. You will not be able to carry them on your person or in carry on luggage beyond the security barriers at airports or on aircraft.

Passengers are advised by the TSA to thoroughly inspect their carry on and checked baggage for these items before going to the airport.

So what about the Pilots and FAs? Not to mention the Flight Marshals? Just put the lighter in your pocket . . Most of the time it will not set it off. and for those airports like PHX that do have indoor smoking? or LAS?

http://www.tsa.gov/public/display?theme=40&content=0900051980105a77





[Edited 2005-03-30 01:51:25]

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User currently offlineACDC8 From Canada, joined Mar 2005, 7642 posts, RR: 35
Reply 1, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 3672 times:

What I don't understand is, if the ban is a result of the Richard Reid incident back in December 2001, if it's such a safety concern, why did it take over four years to implement?

What about matches? That report just mentioned lighters. Are matches still allowed?



A Grumpy German Is A Sauerkraut
User currently offlineWdleiser From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 961 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 3668 times:

I find this just about the most stupid thing ever. I mean, they say something about........ if that one guy on that AAL flight had a lighter, his bomb would have gone off......... hello it was F*^% C4.............. it needed a damn fuse to go off. If he had a fuse...... a match or lighter would have been suffecient enough to go kaboom.

Zippo makes alot of their money from Duty Free sales. Think about them.


User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 3644 times:

Quoting ACDC8 (Reply 1):
What I don't understand is, if the ban is a result of the Richard Reid incident back in December 2001, if it's such a safety concern, why did it take over four years to implement?

What about matches? That report just mentioned lighters. Are matches still allowed?

The Richard Reid incident is exactly the reason . . . and yes it took the TSA four flippin' years to do that . . .

Matches in checked luggage have not been authorized for a while . . . carry on was ok. They are out now as well.

More TSA BULLSHIT. That's exactly what it is. . . .

There are other threads on Civ-Av on this subject.

TSA=THOUSANDS STANDING AROUND=LOSERS


User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17412 posts, RR: 46
Reply 4, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 3638 times:

" if it's such a safety concern, why did it take over four years to implement?
"

We ARE talking about the TSA here, whose collective IQ is 7.



E pur si muove -Galileo
User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 3592 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 4):
We ARE talking about the TSA here, whose collective IQ is 7.

And we can spread that around the 39 - that's THIRTY NINE - of them working ANC B/C Concourse last Thursday when I arrived from work. Oh, that's only 1 side of the B/C Concourse . . . three machines . . . the other side was shut down . . .

And, yes, I stood there counting every damn one of 'em.

TSA=THOUSANDS STANDING AROUND=LOSERS


User currently offlineGuyBetsy1 From Canada, joined Aug 2001, 840 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 3550 times:

So all those people carrying $500 lighters now have to leave them at home?

All those ST Dupont, Cartier lighters are status symbols too. So one has to leave them at home and not carry them to the US?

Definitely that place is going to the way of the dodo.


User currently offlineRyeFly From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1396 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 3536 times:

Talk about making life difficult for smokers, geez. First they cut smoking on planes...understandable. Then they banned smoking in terminals and concourses, again understandable. Most restaurants and bars inside security banned smoking, which left a few smoking lounges in some airports or outside, not great if you smoke but not that big of a deal . Now if you want to smoke you have to wait until the nearest gas station outside of the airport property to get matches or a lighter? That's just stupid.

All the lighters they confiscate, they should put in a basket and have available as you exit the airport. You won't end up with the lighter you bought, but at least you wouldn't have to buy another one after you landed.


User currently offlineAeri28 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 705 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 3516 times:

You're allowed 3-4 books of matches in your carryon and in the cabin I believe.. i'ts just lighters that are banned.

Previously, lighters were banned in the checked luggage, but matches were okay. I do believe they are still okay as checked luggage.

Correct me if I'm wrong (with a link please!)


User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12134 posts, RR: 51
Reply 9, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 3504 times:

The banned lighters they will confiscate will end up with 100 million fingernail clippers, 55 milloin metal combs, 32 million fingernail files, 115 knives and 47 guns they got since TSA started 4 years ago.

Of course they have solved the underwire bra "weapons" problem they were feeling women up for over the last year. They determined the A, B, and C cup wires are to small and light weight to be a problem. But if she is wearing a D cup bra, or larger, watch out because she is a real threat. Everyone knows that terrorist only use D cup and larger bras.

And the all smoke using their Bics.

Remember the lady they forced to drink her baby's formular bottle because they wanted to see inside the bottle?

TSA = Thousands Standing Around
The Official US Government Program for "from welfare to work" (starting around $30K per year).


User currently offlineMisbeehavin From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 914 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 3501 times:

I saw the sign about the lighters in the ATL atrium on Sunday. I think it said you're allowed upto 3 matchboxes.

User currently offlineACDC8 From Canada, joined Mar 2005, 7642 posts, RR: 35
Reply 11, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 3465 times:

A little off topic but...

Just out of curiosity. It would be interesting to find out the statistics between the number of air rage incidents before and after the smoking bans on aircraft. Did it stay the same, go up maybe even go down?

The reason why I'm asking is because I know a lot of smokers who, if they don't light up after a few hours, get quite aggressive. So I would imagine that they could pose a possible problem on long haul flights.

What do you guys think?



A Grumpy German Is A Sauerkraut
User currently offlineLongHauler From Canada, joined Mar 2004, 4923 posts, RR: 43
Reply 12, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 3429 times:

I had to laugh passing through US Customs in YYZ last week. There were signs stating that lighters will be removed by CATSA (our version of TSA, and if you think Thousands Standing Around is cool, you should hear what we make of out CATSA).

So after passing Security, I see at the newsstand, that lighters are still for sale for all those US bound passengers to purchase for use inside the secure areas of US airports when they arrive!

.....arrrghhgh



Never gonna grow up, never gonna slow down .... Barefoot Blue Jean Night
User currently offlineCkfred From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 5208 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 3346 times:

Remember, banning lighters wasn't the TSA's idea. It was Congress' idea. And Congress wants to ban matches on planes. TSA has balked at that, because screening passengers for matches would involve opening bags and pat downs.

Match books have a staple that holds the matches to the cover, but there is no metal whatsoever in a box of kitchen matches.

If the French had done their job and kept Richard Reid off the CDG-MIA flight, we wouldn't have to take off our shoes or deal with the issue of how to light a cigarette after getting off the plane.


User currently offlineJasepl From India, joined Jul 2004, 3582 posts, RR: 39
Reply 14, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 3344 times:

Quoting Ckfred (Reply 13):
If the French had done their job and kept Richard Reid off the CDG-MIA flight, we wouldn't have to take off our shoes or deal with the issue of how to light a cigarette after getting off the plane.

Of course, blame the French!  crazy 


User currently offlineAirRuss From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 34 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 3338 times:

Quoting Ckfred (Reply 13):
Well, banning lighters wasn't the TSA's idea. It was Congress' idea

And signed by the president. Gee, talk about collective IQ of 7.... Big grin Love 'em or hate 'em, TSA didn't come up with this one...


User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31667 posts, RR: 56
Reply 16, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 3238 times:

Quoting Squirrel83 (Thread starter):
Cigarette lighters have now been added to the list of items banned beyond airport checkpoints by the Transportation security Administration (TSA).

Wern't all sources of Ignition/fire Banned Earlier.
regds
MEL



Think of the brighter side!
User currently offlineGeoffm From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 2111 posts, RR: 6
Reply 17, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 3136 times:

Quoting Ckfred (Reply 13):
If the French had done their job and kept Richard Reid off the CDG-MIA flight, we wouldn't have to take off our shoes or deal with the issue of how to light a cigarette after getting off the plane.

If security at BOS and elsewhere had done their job... need I say more?  irked  You could say the same for a lot of similar things - we can't blame the French for everything, despite the fun that brings  Wink !

That reminds me, just when are we going to get those bombproof cargo bins? Are they still too expensive/heavy/sensible?

Geoff M.


User currently offlineExFATboy From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2974 posts, RR: 9
Reply 18, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 3107 times:

Quoting Aeri28 (Reply 8):
Previously, lighters were banned in the checked luggage, but matches were okay. I do believe they are still okay as checked luggage.

Correct me if I'm wrong (with a link please!)

Lighters are banned in checked bags...apparently they always have been. I didn't know that. Here's the link to the TSA site covering carry-on lighters, it also mentions the checked-bag ban.

And yeah, this was Congress' bright idea, not TSAs, so for once we can't blame them.

Even if they weren't banned in checked bags, I wouldn't bring my good Colibri anyway - I've already had things stolen out of my bag. I just buy an el-cheapo on the other end and toss it. (I only smoke cigars occasionally - if i was a cig smoker, I'd just live with the matches when travelling.)


User currently offlineCmhsrq From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 990 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 3019 times:

We should just fly naked. Or maybe be naked when we get to the airport then the TSA can give us a robe to wear on the plane. The robe program would cost $1.2 billion to impliment.


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User currently offlineACDC8 From Canada, joined Mar 2005, 7642 posts, RR: 35
Reply 20, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 3017 times:

Quoting Cmhsrq (Reply 19):
We should just fly naked

Good idea, think how much the airlines would save on fuel costs with all that extra weight gone!  Wink



A Grumpy German Is A Sauerkraut
User currently offlineMQrampBOS From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 107 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 3010 times:

Quoting Geoffm (Reply 17):
If security at BOS and elsewhere had done their job...

They came in through PWM, AFAIK. Really, though, it doesn't matter. Someone somewhere dropped the ball and we're still paying for it.

Quoting Geoffm (Reply 17):
That reminds me, just when are we going to get those bombproof cargo bins? Are they still too expensive/heavy/sensible?

Well, there was that one crackpot idea to have a two aircraft system - one to carry the passengers, and another one leaving at the same time to carry the luggage. I don't remember who it was, but I hope I didn't vote for him banghead 



Don't put me on A7! I got out of the airport, so why send me back?
User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 17014 posts, RR: 67
Reply 22, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 3002 times:

Quoting Wdleiser (Reply 2):
I find this just about the most stupid thing ever. I mean, they say something about........ if that one guy on that AAL flight had a lighter, his bomb would have gone off......... hello it was F*^% C4.............. it needed a damn fuse to go off. If he had a fuse...... a match or lighter would have been suffecient enough to go kaboom.

Well it would have made a hole in the fuse, maybe... If he had managed to hold his foot hard against the side. But then again maybe not, because there's a lot of insulation between the plastic side and the fuse. And even if it had made a hole, it would hardly have broken the plane in half.



"There are no stupid questions, but there are a lot of inquisitive idiots."
User currently offlineDragon-wings From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 3982 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 2987 times:

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 9):
The banned lighters they will confiscate will end up with 100 million fingernail clippers, 55 milloin metal combs, 32 million fingernail files

What the heck to do they do with all that after they take them??  crazy 



Don't give up don't ever give up - Jim Valvano
User currently offline717-200 From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 601 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 2985 times:

Here at RDU there are no smoking areas past security at Terminal A
or Terminal C, just small designated areas outside at curbside.



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25 Post contains images Starlionblue : You can bet the TSA staff is neatly manicured!
26 ContnlEliteCMH : Why does ANYBODY need 13 personnel to staff a single security line? And let me guess: passengers will still waiting on the plastic bins to be carted
27 Post contains images ACDC8 : Probably use the lighters to light up all the confiscated pot in customs!
28 Okie : Next thing the TSA will do is issue Thorzine at the gate. No in flight service, the F/A will just run up and down the isle with a bucket mopping up dr
29 RDUDDJI : Obviously I'm in the minority here, but I just don't see why it's a good idea to let the general public bring fire on an airplane...If we were allowed
30 AAFLT1871 : It is not per say on the flight, but after the flight. You land in HNL after a nine hour flight from CVG, you want to light up in the open areas of t
31 Wukka : I'm going to somewhat jump over AAFLT1871's comment on this, and for that I apologize. I have no use for my lighter on a flight, however, I do occasi
32 Squirrel83 : Airport Lighter Ban Enforcement Begins Thursday One mandate of the Intelligence Reform and Terrorism Prevention Act of 2004 added butane lighters to t
33 AMSSpotter : There are also more pressing issues than being able to light up a cigarette right after your flight has arrived. Boy, people must be addicted if this
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