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Southwest Airlines May Move Their Headquarters  
User currently offlineFlyingTexan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 10434 times:

Following is a link to a Fort Worth Star-Telegram article.

http://www.dfw.com/mld/dfw/business/11256662.htm

Use http://www.bugmenot.com as that site requires registration.

JR – the FlyingTexan

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User currently offlineAa757first From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3350 posts, RR: 8
Reply 1, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 10370 times:

Maybe Southwest should just move over to DFW.

Quoting The Article:
The airline has rejected service at D/FW because the busy airport, which is American Airlines' largest hub, doesn't fit Southwest's business model.

If PHL, a very delay-prone airport, fits, why doesn't DFW?

AAndrew


User currently offlineTOLtommy From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3297 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 10338 times:

To quote the relevant part of the article:

"Kelly also pointed out that Dallas may cease to be a good location for the company's headquarters if the restrictions stay in place.

Although stressing that he isn't threatening to move over the Wright Amendment fight, he acknowledged that Southwest's Love Field operation is shrinking while the airline is growing rapidly in other cities like Philadelphia and Chicago.

"Southwest is a growing company, but it's not growing in Texas," Ricks said. "The fact of the matter is, a shrinking market is not the best site to have a corporate headquarters."

Chicago attracted Boeing, what to stop them from attracting WN?


User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 10304 times:

Quoting Aa757first (Reply 1):
Maybe Southwest should just move over to DFW.

Maybe Southwest should run the company as best they see fit, rather than let another entity (DFW, AA, whomever) run the company for them.

If ATL and Delta told AirTran how to run their airline, folks would think that they were nuts...

In addition to the article at the start of the thread, there was an editorial in the Dallas Morning News on the subject.

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcont...032805dnediwrightpoints.11816.html

(Use the bugmenot link above)...

[Edited 2005-03-30 06:30:01]

User currently offlineStowAway From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 640 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 10271 times:

It sounds like a ploy to help in the Wright Amendment fight to me. That is a lot of dollars from the economy if WN leaves.

They are always welcome in Nashville, though!



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User currently offlinePlanespotting From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3529 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 10181 times:

I say chicago.


The only reason i haven't explored southwest airlines more as a career opportunity is the fact that i'd have to live in Dallas.

and Texas and Eric don't jive. except austin. austin's sweet.



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User currently offlineSwadispatcher From United States of America, joined May 2004, 427 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 10138 times:

We're downsizing the FA base by another 30 next month, and there were about the same amount last month.. the base only continues to shrink cause they are trimming flights.


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User currently offlineIncitatus From Brazil, joined Feb 2005, 4030 posts, RR: 13
Reply 7, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 10119 times:

Quoting TOLtommy (Reply 2):
"Southwest is a growing company, but it's not growing in Texas," Ricks said. "The fact of the matter is, a shrinking market is not the best site to have a corporate headquarters."

Houston doesn't have similar restrictions to Dallas, so why isn't Southwest growing in Houston? Or Austin & San Antonio?



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User currently offlineWjcandee From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5257 posts, RR: 23
Reply 8, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 10019 times:

Fact is, Dallas is a GREAT place for Southwest to be, and they know it. The quality of the workforce and the low cost of living are an amazing one-two punch. Add the fact that Texas doesn't have a state income tax, and it's a knockout.

That's why GTE, Exxon-Mobil, Greyhound and various others all moved to Dallas in the 80s and 90s. As a New Yorker, I hate to say it, but all the Exxon folks that I knew when I lived in Las Colinas were delighted to have made the move. Dallas is no hick town, and it lacks a lot of the problems of my hometown. The ex-New Yorkers who moved, to a person, felt GREAT about the decision to leave, after they adjusted to the huge, clean supermarkets and the fact that they could have a HOUSE and a car for what they paid for their apartment in Queens. They felt bad for the many folks that stayed in NYC. Particularly at the administrative staff level (mid level managers, secretaries, etc.), the difference in quality of life was enormous. One thing many folks commented on was the quality of the schools, a perennial problem in the Big Apple. From an employer's perspective, it's very easy to find folks who consider their word to be their bond, and who are ready to give a full day's work for a day's pay. After almost a decade in Texas, I couldn't find a bad thing to say about the folks there, and I always thought it was a GREAT place to do business. I moved back home to NYC because my firm wanted me there. I am very happy here (I'm just a happy guy, I guess), but I'll always have extremely fond memories of my time in Dallas.

Not to say there aren't plenty of places in the Midwest that offer some of these benefits, but...

Bottom line: Southwest would be insane to leave the state. It ain't happening.

Now, as between Houston and Dallas, the cities are very different in a lot of ways, but that's certainly a move I could see happening.


User currently offlineSonOfACaptain From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1747 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 9995 times:

Quoting StowAway (Reply 4):
It sounds like a ploy to help in the Wright Amendment fight to me.

My thoughts exactly.

-SOAC



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User currently offlineThomasphoto60 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 3993 posts, RR: 26
Reply 10, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 9895 times:

I tend to concur with SOAC and StowAway. I too see this as a not very subtle ploy to push the powers that be to eliminate 'Wright '. That said if WN were to move, I would hope that they simply would not abandon the state that gave it birth and was a driving force in it's success. As Wjcandee stated, Texas is almost the perfect home for WN and their business model, and they would be 'nuts' to leave.

Thomas

[Edited 2005-03-30 08:24:40]


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User currently offlineN844AA From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1352 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 9867 times:

If I recall correctly, when the state of Texas chartered a high-speed rail link between Dallas-Houston-San Antonio using TGV technology, Southwest used a similar threat (among others) to encourage the state to revoke the charter (which it eventually was.) The public nature of this "discussion" leads me to think this, at least at some level, part of their camapign against the Wright Amendment.


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User currently offlineTxAgKuwait From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 1803 posts, RR: 42
Reply 12, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 9478 times:

I wouldn't call it a threat. I would call it a promise.

Southwest is willing and able to exercise whatever clout it has to get things done that are in their best interest.

Several years ago, the city of El Paso laid a MASSIVE increase in landing fees, gate rentals, and what-have-you on the airlines.

Southwest told the city it was a bad move. They told the city that it would influence future decisions on numbers and varieties of flights emanating from their fair city.

The city ignored Southwest, to their peril.

ABQ and ELP are very similar cities in size and demand for air travel. They always have been.

Southwest offers nonstops from El Paso to LAX, SAN. PHX, ABQ, MAF, LBB, DAL, HOU, AUS, SAT, LAS

Since the city of El Paso ignored the sage advice of Southwest, Albuquerque has picked up nonstops to those cities ( minus AUS & SAT) but has picked up nonstops to Oakland, Tucson, Portland, Seattle, Chicago, Baltimore, Kansas City, St. Louis, Amarillo (let us not forget Amarillo!) Orlando and Tampa.

Had the city fathers of El Paso listened to Southwest, they'd probably be enjoying all the additional traffic and commerce that flights to those places would provide. Too bad, it was more important for them to try and squeeze the airlines for every dime they wanted right then. Southwest hasn;t pulled any service...they make too much money to do so....but they haven't put anything new in to El Paso in years.

So I say to the city of Dallas: fail to heed Southwest management at your own risk.


User currently offlineLY4XELD From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 858 posts, RR: 15
Reply 13, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 9372 times:

Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 3):
be Southwest should run the company as best they see fit, rather than let another entity (DFW, AA, whomever) run the company for them

Why would "moving" (which I assume means operations) means that DFW would "run the company for them"? Their headquarters could still be at DAL.

Quoting Wjcandee (Reply 8):
The ex-New Yorkers who moved, to a person, felt GREAT about the decision to leave, after they adjusted to the huge, clean supermarkets and the fact that they could have a HOUSE and a car for what they paid for their apartment in Queens

Amen to that (as an "ex New Yorker").



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User currently offlineManu From Canada, joined Dec 2004, 406 posts, RR: 7
Reply 14, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 9332 times:

Quoting Planespotting (Reply 5):
is the fact that i'd have to live in Dallas

I'm with you there... I moved down to Dallas for a year and a half. I couldn't wait to leave. My job rocked, but I just couldn't get comfortable in that city. Although it was handy living near AA's hub, which is the only reason I agreed to take the job. And to work with DFW airport on a few contracts, which was sweet to see in their operation.

Quoting Planespotting (Reply 5):
Texas and Eric don't jive. except austin. austin's sweet

You've earned a RR from me for this one!

Seriously, why does Southwest need to move their operations? Although I do think that Wright amendment needs to be quashed. Stupid... I always wanted to fly Southwest home (well, to BUF), but I couldn't because of that. Couldn't they change the amendment to make it 737-sized aircraft only? Then WN would be happy and the longer or high density Int'l flights will still go out of DFW.


User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13634 posts, RR: 62
Reply 15, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 9225 times:
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It sounds like a ploy to help in the Wright Amendment fight to me.

And a rather thinly-veiled one, at that.

But if they DO elect to move their corporate offices, odds are they'd want them to be not only in a city they have large operations in, but one that reflects the "Southwest" name itself.

My bets would be PHX or LAS...if they move their HQ at all, that is.



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User currently offlineNtspelich From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 764 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 9163 times:

Yeah, that's why we just finished construction a couple months back on an addition to the hdq building.

NTS



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User currently offlineExFATboy From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2974 posts, RR: 9
Reply 17, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 9130 times:

Quoting Aa757first (Reply 1):
If PHL, a very delay-prone airport, fits, why doesn't DFW?

Because Philadelphia is a good market, US' weakness is just too tempting, and Philadelphia itself doesn't have an alternate airport. The nearest alternatives are Wilmington or Trenton-Mercer, with Allentown a little further.

*EDIT - scratch Wilmington. I had looked at the website for ILM - that's North Carolina, not Delaware. Silly me. Next paragraph edited to remove references to ILM.*

If US was healthy, I wouldn't have been surprised to see WN try TTN eventually - you'd get some draw from Philly and the suburbs, Atlantic City, and perhaps even some from the Jersey Shore and Central NJ.

And I agree that the entire "headquarters" remark is just a remarkably unsubtle attempt to get Dallas politicians on-side:

"Southwest is a growing company, but it's not growing in Texas," Ricks said. "The fact of the matter is, a shrinking market is not the best site to have a corporate headquarters."

Unless there's a context problem with the quote, this is a really foolish remark. The Texas market is not shrinking, nor (to the best of my knowledge) is the Dallas market, at least not O&D, so why did he say this? AFAIK, even Southwest's traffic in Dallas is not shrinking.

DAL is shrinking as a percentage of WN's total traffic, but even if that's what he meant, so what? That would be an even stupider thing to say. Where your corporate headquarters is has absolutely nothing to do with where your growth is. SkyWest's HQ is in St. George, Utah. Does that stop them from growing in other parts of the US? Westjet's corporate HQ is in Calgary, but by this logic they should move their CHQ to Toronto now that their growth is occuring more in the East.

Yes, I know what he was trying to accomplish, but blantantly transparent attempts at manipulation like this put Dallas politicians and businessmen who support WN's efforts to repeal the idiotic WA in a bad position.

And realistically, where would WN move the CHQ to?

[Edited 2005-03-30 20:59:18]

[Edited 2005-03-30 21:00:32]

[Edited 2005-03-30 21:01:26]

User currently offlinePHLBOS From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7533 posts, RR: 24
Reply 18, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 9069 times:

Quoting Aa757first (Reply 1):
If PHL, a very delay-prone airport, fits, why doesn't DFW?

Reasons:

1. In the Philadelphia area, there is no second airport close by that supports scheduled service in the same metropolitan region. PNE hasn't had a carrier offer scheduled service in over a decade and there are no signs of service ever returning. BWI along w/ABE & ACY are too far away to be realistically considered part of the same serving area.

2. If there are 2 airports that support scheduled service in the same metropolitan area and given a choice, WN will always choose the least traffic/delay prone airport; especially if the larger airport is a hub for a legacy carrier (where potential for some mischief could play out). Other examples of these include MDW vs. ORD, FLL vs. MIA, OAK vs. SFO, and recently HOU vs. IAH. Yes, I am aware that WN used to serve both HOU and IAH; but that clearly is an exception to their usual rule.

[Edited 2005-03-30 20:59:37]


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User currently offlineThomacf From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 542 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 8863 times:

I would bet on Chicago if they decide to move. Makes sense for a number of reasons. They are continuing to grow out of MDW, Chicago is centrally located, has many Fortune 500 & 1000 companies already based in the area and is closer to the Northeastern financial centers. That's a huge reason why Boeing moved there. Closer to ATA operations. Chicago is very large city with alot of prestige where Fortune 500 companies go if they don't want to be in California or New York City as both places have a high cost of living. Chicago does as well, but it offers a great central urban environment that would be a great draw for younger employees and empty nesters and a variety of suburbs for families. Overall the whole region provides a very good quality of life for any company's employees.

User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 8851 times:

Quoting LY4XELD (Reply 13):
Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 3):
be Southwest should run the company as best they see fit, rather than let another entity (DFW, AA, whomever) run the company for them

Why would "moving" (which I assume means operations) means that DFW would "run the company for them"? Their headquarters could still be at DAL.

The decision on whether SWA should fly out of DFW is SWA's, and nobody else's. The "solution" from the DFW/AA camp is to have SWA come DFW, and they don't seem accepting of anything else. It doesn't matter whether DFW/AA think SWA at DFW is a good idea, it's whether SWA does, and they don't....


User currently offlineTockeyhockey From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 952 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 8744 times:

PHL has been hugely successful for WN, and due to a skyscraper building binge, the city has a glut of office space. WN could find some cheap digs and would be poised to pick up the slack if US went out of business, including annexing US fleet operations personnel and maintenance buildings.

User currently offlineN844AA From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1352 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 8719 times:

You know, I wonder if DFW would be a smart choice for WN on the basis of DFW metro area population distribution alone. There are over a million people in Tarrant County (Ft. Worth & Arlington) for whom DFW is significantly closer than DAL. And though I don't live on that side of the Metroplex, my impression is that the fast-growing North Dallas suburbs have somewhat more direct access to DFW than to DAL.

Or, on another tack altogether... I'm totally going to pull this scenario out of nowhere (and I look forward to being told why it's unworkable), but what if the city of Fort Worth were to upgrade Meacham Field (small airport in north Ft. Worth.) to WN standards? My understanding is that WN could operate there without running afoul of the Wright Amendment. That way they could more directly serve the Tarrant County market as well as drawing long-distance travelers from around the Metroplex without having to take on AA at DFW (think about their fist years there and the dirty tricks they played on BN.)



New airplanes, new employees, low fares, all touchy-feely ... all of them are losers. -Gordon Bethune
User currently offlineBOSSAN From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 255 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 8589 times:

Quoting ExFATboy (Reply 17):
Unless there's a context problem with the quote, this is a really foolish remark. The Texas market is not shrinking, nor (to the best of my knowledge) is the Dallas market, at least not O&D, so why did he say this? AFAIK, even Southwest's traffic in Dallas is not shrinking.

The Texas market is not shrinking. However, Southwest is removing a few seats from the market, shifting planes elsewhere in the system to beef up PHL, PIT and MDW and retiring its 732s. When Southwest closes IAH, it's not shifting those 6 weekday flights to HOU; the number of flights between DAL and HOU remains at 29 per day. (Wow.) Additionally, Southwest announced some minor cuts in HOU-MSY and DAL-MSY flight frequencies and other adjustments to their schedule last fall.

My guess is that Southwest feels it has won the intra-Texas market wars and isn't afraid of Continental and American trying to flood them with capacity right now, so can shoot for higher load factors on marginally fewer flights.


User currently offlineBoeingfever777 From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 409 posts, RR: 53
Reply 24, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 8572 times:

Quoting Planespotting (Reply 5):
except austin. austin's sweet.

Nice! Weather here today is AWESOME! Good choice on the Best city in Texas!

As for WN leaving Texas....doubt that serioulsy. I know the Wright Amendent hurts WN in this area. As long as Herb is around the company they will stay in Texas. Eitherway I hope they stay in Texas and do not decide to move north.



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25 Drerx7 : I believe that if they moved they would move the HQ to Houston, simply due to the history. One reason why they have not grown in Houston is due to gat
26 BHMNONREV : You bring up a couple of good points. Maybe instead of AA spending all of their time and energy fighting the repeal of the WA and trying to force WN
27 PROSA : Corporations invariably lose many of their employees when they relocate their headquarters or other significant operations. While some people will rel
28 MSYtristar : Southwest cut three HOU-MSY flights but did not cut any DAL-MSY departures. They still have 17 HOU-MSY flights on weekdays and 7 DAL-MSY flights on w
29 BlackKnight : I think a better move would be to LAS. High O&D traffic and the possibility of international travel with the 787/A350 range if WN ever goes internatio
30 Post contains images Drerx7 : 787/A350 if Southwest goes international huh.
31 Greyhound : In response to EA CO AS post: My bets would be PHX or LAS IF they move their hq at all.... Would Southwest hq really want to move to PHX? I think LAS
32 NWAFA : I hardly think Southwest will move...it is such a politic move and ploy to get the Wright Admendment changed...Its very clear what Southwest is doing.
33 DfwRevolution : WN's assets and revenue are taxed in Dallas County, yet, they are severely limited by the perimeter rules in DAL. Why should they put up with that? I
34 N844AA : Yeah, I agree that it's a fairly ironic state of affairs, but you could lalso ook at it this way: Jim Wright's legacy is that the largest and sixth l
35 NWAFA : Southwest is a very smart company, they are not going to spend millions on a move.
36 Txagkuwait : NWAFA thinks it is a temper tantrum. He or she may very well be right. But the question is......how badly does the city of Dallas want to gamble that
37 WhiskeyHotel : I think Drerx7 got it right...If WN moves anywhere it will be to Houston. There would be minimal relocation costs compared to some of the other locati
38 DfwRevolution : In many instances, a corperation that wants to relocate solicites bids from other metropolitan areas. Tax incentives are commonly offered, but reinbu
39 Post contains images BNANative : Here we go with my first post... WN likely isn't going anywhere because they will get their way on the Wright amendment issue sooner or later. Everyon
40 Post contains images Thomasphoto60 : "U da Man" Thomas
41 DfwRevolution : Everyone and their brother knows it, but as of yet, no local congressmen has taken action on this issue. WN is sending a crystal clear message that t
42 Travelin man : LAS seems like the most likely candidate, considering NV has no state income tax, and a relatively low cost of living. Of course, convincing people t
43 Okie : And neither does Texas. You can bet that the powers that be will take income taxes into account as it will directly effect their disposable income. T
44 Srbmod : Moving to Chicago sounds like it would be the most logical if they were to move their corporate offices out of Dallas. Just because they move the corp
45 Travelin man : Los Angeles, Oakland, and San Diego are WAY too expensive. Just the cost of housing alone would be prohibitive.
46 Stirling : Technically, shouldn't that read, "Keeping" GM? I for one would like to see more of Love Field doing more of what is was designed to do, and that's h
47 FlyingTexan : Keep in mind Texas has a significantly lower cost of living than Las Vegas. In the past 2 years, property values have gone through the roof in Vegas.
48 Post contains links Travelin man : Well, yeah, home prices have gone up in Vegas, but they started from a very low base, and according to this site: http://www.homefair.com/homefair/cal
49 NomoreRJs : Southwest is not leaving Dallas anytime soon. The company recently completed an expansion of their corporate HQ in Dallas. It may not be the most glam
50 Brons2 : They have gone through the roof in Texas as well.
51 OPNLguy : You're welcome. The arm-wrestling wasn't with CEO of Midway (v1.0), but with the Prez of an aircraft service firm, whose name I can't recall. I think
52 N1120A : WN is not going international, and if they did, they are less likely to buy Airbus than JAL is Housing costs are really not of concern for WN moving
53 OPNLguy : The number is over 1,000, if not more by now...
54 Padcrasher : Spare us please. Dallas/Ft Worth is the 4th largest metro in the US not some penny sized ELP market. Southwest is not stupid enough pull up roots and
55 Post contains images Elwood64151 : Including Chicago, Omaha, Kansas City, Indianapolis, San Antonio, Austin, Houston, Oklahoma City, Tulsa, just to name a FEW. Remember, in seven years
56 Travelin man : Well, depending on how many people they want to keep, housing prices SHOULD be a concern to WN when considering relocation. What's the point of movin
57 Goingboeing : Isn't Herb from San Antonio? San Antonio is still in Texas...no state income tax. Cost of living wouldn't be much more than Dallas. Kinda makes ya go
58 Drerx7 : Dallas has the highest cost of living in Texas--its still low compared to the rest of the country.
59 Luv2fly : Wow I guess if the airline is not DL, they are just plain stupid. Though tell me who is on the brink of bankruptcy? Can you say Delta......
60 Thomasphoto60 : Don't hold back, tell us how ya really feel about WN, sweetie? Thomas
61 Post contains images WhiskeyHotel : Elwood, I don't have much to say about Texarkana, other than the fact that I spent a year there one afternoon
62 LV : Well, here is a win win for WN, pull a page from the AUL (American United Life) playbook. When AUL got fed up with the Indiana legislature dilly dally
63 Wjcandee : FlyingTexan and OPNLGuy: Now THAT'S TRIVIA!!!! It was Stevens (Stephens?) Aviation in South Carolina. And you're right, it was Kurt somebody. But it w
64 Post contains images OPNLguy : Ya know, I thought it was Stevens/Stephens, but I thought, "nah, I'm confusing it with the Jimmy Stewart character's outfit in that dumb "Airport" mo
65 N1120A : Compared to the airline as a whole, that is not all that much I know this fact as well, but COL is not the only factor involved, particularly for a p
66 OPNLguy : No, it's not, but in the context of Dallas potentially losing an employer of 1000 or 1500 or whatever folks, it's a significant number.
67 FlyingTexan : Wjcandee, thank you so much for adding that info. I recall the Wild Turkey Part. Separate note - Keep in mind, that a relocating company does investi
68 Post contains links Wjcandee : CORRECTION TIME: I tried to look it up, and found this: http://www.freibergs.com/nuts-excerpts-malice.html Shows how crappy my memory is getting. Here
69 Stirling : Wilmington Delaware is closer than Trenton, 36 miles to 24 miles. I don't think PNE, Northeast Philadelphia, was ever served with anything bigger tha
70 N1120A : That is very true and is why this is a really smart play by WN. The reason this works is precisely because WN does not act like this all the time. Th
71 DfwRevolution : If I have my geograpgy right... that would be analogus to serving Houston from Galveston... not very competitive. Excellent point.
72 MD-90 : In Herb's book Nuts, it was in a pro wrestling type arena, but it was an arm wrestling match. Skinny Arms Herb was clearly outmatched and lost, but th
73 N1120A : Herb actually did curls with cig cartons and swigged Wild Turkey before the match. Oh, he did not let WN use Just Plane Smart, Herb worked out the de
74 Post contains links LoneStarMike : If Southwest Airlines wanted to send a me$$age to the City of Dallas, they could do so without moving their headquarters out of Dallas. Holly Hegeman
75 Barney Captain : The latest: Southwest: Here for the long haul? Officials say it is committed to the city but could reconsider 11:31 PM CST on Friday, April 1, 2005 By
76 Lightsaber : What's TN's tax rate like? See more below... Its going to depend on the yields of the home O&D market. Good yields=growth. As WN is short of aircraft
77 Post contains images Incitatus : From the Dallas Morning News They can always fly on other carriers to DFW, take a cab to their HQ and save a day on the road.
78 Ntspelich : I called the employee newsline today, and on this week's message (recorded Monday monring) Gary explicitly mentioned this topic. The company's take on
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