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User currently offlineAseem From India, joined Feb 2005, 2046 posts, RR: 10
Posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 9864 times:

http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/181_1299609,0002.htm

so finally AA has woken up and is planning to fly to the other side of the globe.
Nothing much in this article about AA, but mostly about NW planned MSP-BLR. Pretty much everything we already know, that it is via AMS using A330. The flight is supposed to be loaded in the system, but they're still awaiting approval from Indian Govt.

""Flight (No) 34, effective October 30, leaves Amsterdam at 12:15 pm, and gets in Bangalore at 2:15 am on October 31, flight 33 will depart from Bangalore at 4:15 am and arrive in Amsterdam at 10:40 am," the spokesperson said giving details of their proposed new service."

hope it suits Bangalore-wallas!!
rgds
Aseem


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User currently offlineB742 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2005, 3768 posts, RR: 19
Reply 1, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 9834 times:

Great news that we might see AA in India!

Will the A330-300 operate NW034 and NW033?

Where might we see the AA route from, BOS,JFK,DFW?

Rob!


User currently offlineJasepl From India, joined Jul 2004, 3582 posts, RR: 39
Reply 2, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 9794 times:

Quoting Hindustan Times:
So far the Northwest passengers to New Delhi and Mumbai were transferred to KLM flights at Amsterdam.

More brilliant investigative journalism!  crazy 


User currently offlineMIASkies From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 1348 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 9660 times:

Hmmm things are starting to fall into place, it was mentioned in previous posts that AA will more than likely launch service to India from Brussels. I do not think it will be non-stop from the U.S.

Any thoughts?

great news.



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User currently offlineEmiratesUK From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 288 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 9601 times:

Or.....they could re-instate the ORD-BHX service and continue it on to India, maybe a ORD-BHX-DEL-BHX-ORD, that might be a money maker for them?


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User currently offlineAhlfors From Canada, joined exactly 14 years ago today! , 1347 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 9573 times:

I really doubt it will be via BHX. AI is starting YYZ-BHX-ATQ-DEL service, and Air Slovakia has low prices from BHX to ATQ/DEL via BTS. They're going to want a stop-over point that is either very large (CDG,FRA?) or has no service to the subcontinent (BRU,DUB?).

User currently offlineJasepl From India, joined Jul 2004, 3582 posts, RR: 39
Reply 6, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 9518 times:

Quoting EmiratesUK (Reply 4):
ORD-BHX-DEL-BHX-ORD

American carriers still can't fly over the 'Stans, can they? This might be a problem for any DEL flight for AA.

Besides, Bombay's a far better place. Not a glorified village like Dilly.  Wink


User currently offlineOrd From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 1384 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 9466 times:

The thread headline says American to Service India, yet the article doesn't say that at all. It simply says American was given clearance to offer future flights. There is nothing definitive at this point.

User currently offlineDIJKKIJK From France, joined Jul 2003, 1811 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 9326 times:

Quoting Jasepl (Reply 6):
Bombay's a far better place. Not a glorified village like Dilly

Why not Chennai or Bangalore, even Hyderabad? Why doesn't anyone seem to want to break LH 's hold on those places?



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User currently offlineBobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6490 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 9311 times:

DIJKKIJK,

Did you miss the part about Northwest going to Bangalore starting October 30?


User currently offlineDIJKKIJK From France, joined Jul 2003, 1811 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 9289 times:

Quoting Bobnwa (Reply 9):
Did you miss the part about Northwest going to Bangalore starting October 30?

There's enough by way of market in BLR to support both NW and AA, maybe even a few more players!

LH does 7x a week to BLR, FYI. And their A340s are packed to the rafters with US bound traffic.



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User currently offlineJaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 9230 times:

n February, the Northwest Airlines had filed a request with the US Department of Transportation for "broad authority" to serve India with Bangalore being its first destination, the spokesperson said.

Stupid "journalists" have been asleep over the past 10 years.


User currently offlineSkyguy From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 482 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 9138 times:

Unlikely that AA will come to India so soon. Remember, getting the rights to fly and actually laying on flights is two different things. Several airlines have rights to fly to India but choose not to. AA is probably putting this into their bag to be used in the future. Right now AA's stated priority has been to expand in China as fast as possible. India will be after they have satisfied the China market and when they find convenient stopver city to route their flights to India.


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User currently offlineNimish From India, joined Feb 2005, 3259 posts, RR: 9
Reply 13, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 9129 times:

Quoting DIJKKIJK (Reply 10):
And their A340s are packed to the rafters with US bound traffic.

I can vouch for that. I'm wait listed BLR - FRA - BLR in end April, end May, and end June, and I'm OK MAA-FRA-MAA for all those dates! It's just ridiculous. LH should switch the a/c and fly to MAA with the 343 and BLR with the 744.



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User currently offlineAseem From India, joined Feb 2005, 2046 posts, RR: 10
Reply 14, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 9080 times:

Quoting Skyguy (Reply 12):
India will be after they have satisfied the China market and when they find convenient stopver city to route their flights to India.

by that time it might be too late. All major carriers are expanding in both the markets simultaneously.
rgds
Aseem



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User currently offlineJaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 9065 times:

by that time it might be too late. All major carriers are expanding in both the markets simultaneously.

Not to mention Indian carriers who've finally been given the Green signal by the stupid Govt of India.


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33038 posts, RR: 71
Reply 16, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 9005 times:

Quoting B742 (Reply 1):
Where might we see the AA route from, BOS,JFK,DFW?

From what I have been hearing, AA would possibly like to route an India flight via Brussels, which already has non-stops to O'Hare and JFK and may be getting a Miami service soon. However, AA to India is a good 18-24 months away. They did recently apply, and get approved, to fly their own aircraft to India by US DOT. Mumbai is the most likely destination.



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User currently offlineBurnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7553 posts, RR: 8
Reply 17, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 8802 times:

Yeah seeing how NW uses their own metal to Mumbai


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User currently offlineKaran69 From India, joined Oct 2004, 2892 posts, RR: 18
Reply 18, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 8710 times:

Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 17):
Yeah seeing how NW uses their own metal to Mumbai

When will BOM get their A330


User currently offlineB742 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2005, 3768 posts, RR: 19
Reply 19, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 8684 times:

I would love to see AA operate ORD-BHX-DEL or ORD-BHX-BOM!

What route creates the most passengers, BOM-Europe or DEL-Europe?

Rob!


User currently offlineVenezuela747 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1428 posts, RR: 5
Reply 20, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 8591 times:

Would it be a good idea to stop in BRU? Wouldn't it be a good idea to connect in another place that has mor passenger like London, Paris, Frankfurt. What about goin west through Asia. can a T7 do DFW/JFK-NRT-DEL/BOM since they are startin a bucnh of new flight to new places in Asia


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User currently offlineAseem From India, joined Feb 2005, 2046 posts, RR: 10
Reply 21, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 8524 times:

Quoting B742 (Reply 19):
What route creates the most passengers, BOM-Europe or DEL-Europe?

tough question!! most of the airlines begin with either of the two and quickly launch the other.
rgds
Aseem



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33038 posts, RR: 71
Reply 22, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 8521 times:

Quoting Venezuela747 (Reply 20):
Would it be a good idea to stop in BRU? Wouldn't it be a good idea to connect in another place that has mor passenger like London, Paris, Frankfurt.

Getting the rights to fly UK-India is difficult. United did (still does?) have them when they flew LHR-DEL, but it is a lot of red tape to go through.

The Frankfurt-India and Paris-India markets are well served by Air France, Lufthansa, Delta, and Air India (the latter two from both FRA and CDG), and AA has no partners at either.

In Brussels, AA can tap into a market with virtually no service to Asia outside of the Middle East (only Biman Bangladesh to Dhaka), and hub to one of their strongest European partners, SN Brussels. The main market is still US-India, not the European originating passengers, and with O'Hare, JFK, and a possible Miami service to Brussels, they should do fine.



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User currently offlineJetWay From India, joined Mar 2005, 49 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 8412 times:

Quoting Bobnwa (Reply 9):
Why not Chennai or Bangalore, even Hyderabad? Why doesn't anyone seem to want to break LH 's hold on those places?

BLR airport is small relative to other airports in India. It has only 2 jetways and approximately 10-15 aprons. I doubt Bangalore can handle so much international traffic. Bangaloreans will have to wait till the new airport is built in a few years.


User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5934 posts, RR: 40
Reply 24, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 8367 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 22):
The Frankfurt-India and Paris-India markets are well served by Air France, Lufthansa, Delta, and Air India (the latter two from both FRA and CDG), and AA has no partners at either.

but I still think it will be a chosen between CDG or FRA, as the main market will be US-India, they will have no probs to fill up some seats in CDG or FRA.

DL for example also operated last winter flights from FRA to India without a partner.....



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25 OzarkD9S : Thought AA had CDG-BOM route authority already, thanks to TWA. Did that authority expire? I know TWA had a habit of suspending authorities to preserve
26 MAH4546 : Exactly. As the main market is between US-India, then they should have no problem filling up a few seats from the local market, regardless of wether
27 Aseem : 9W was about to start service to JFK via BRU, but changed plans to CDG. That leaves BRU wide open for AA. rgds Aseem
28 Avianca : it is very difficult too say. I do not think AA will enter for this service into a new market due Cargo will be a deciding matter. The US-Europe, Euro
29 Daron4000 : AA, unlike UA and NW doesn't have the authority to sell tickets from NRT to anywhere except the US, so they would have to rely soley on custemers tra
30 Behramjee : Is ORD-DEL-ORD a bigger market with more yield than ORD-BOM-ORD? Also dont u think it be more beneficial to fly from its ORD hub to India rather than
31 Jasepl : Not in the least! Again, the answer's obvious!
32 MAH4546 : Up until 9.11, United offered a daily "Around the World" service which stopped in India. They flew daily IAD-LHR-DEL-HKG-LAX, with full traffic right
33 Post contains images Jacobin777 : Damn..its about time they have give it a thought, I've posted numerous threads asking this (even a thread starter).............. Obviously there are I
34 HB-IWC : If I'm not mistaken, that round the world service operated through JFK rather than IAD. It was also not a same aircraft round the world service, with
35 TWA902fly : It was originaly routed JFK but through its last years of operation was IAD, and the whole thing was a 744 at IAD. as for JFK - only the JFK-LAX part
36 Nickofatlanta : MAH4546 - I hate to have to correct you as I am a big fan of all the useful info you provide on these forums. However, they did not have FULL traffic
37 HB-IWC : My mistake regarding IAD vs JFK then, but the route was for sure B763ER all the way to DEL. I flew it in 1998 on the LHR-DEL sector.
38 B742 : So whats the answer? Also whats the top 5 airports in India in terms of PAX? Rob![Edited 2005-03-31 13:26:11]
39 HAWK21M : 1.Mumbai 2.Delhi. 3.Chennai. 4.Kolkata. 5.Bangalore. regds MEL
40 B742 : Thanks MEL, How is ATQ doing, its going to receive a international flight to BHX & YYZ in May? Rob!
41 AirIndia : jaspel is just living his Mumbai dream!!
42 Aseem : ATQ is expected to do well. AI's DEL-ATQ-BHX-YYZ is expected to start in May. If I am not wrong then Air Slovakia already does rounds to ATQ. There w
43 AirIndia : Quiet long back, I guess sabena made a hopping trip from DEL-ATQ-Kuwait-BHX It might have been some other airline but there was one that did that wie
44 Justplanesmart : Those flight numbers are currently used for the flights between Seattle and Amsterdam, and those are to change fron the DC-10-30 to the A330-300 this
45 Post contains images Stealthpilot : JetWay, you are completely right. As a Bangalorean our airport STINKS, so hard to say that! It's too small to physically handle those early morning fl
46 B747-437B : Air India used to operate Amritsar - Moscow - Birmingham on the 707.
47 Karan69 : SQ already serves ATQ 3x weekly it is MH whose creating the buzz abt starting services to ATQ
48 Post contains links Brons2 : What about AA flying ORD-BOM direct? It's 6999nm on the Great Circle Mapper http://gc.kls2.com/cgi-bin/gc?PATH=o...STYLE=best&RANGE-COLOR=&MAP-STYLE=
49 Aseem : easier said than done! flights don't follow great circle mapper. At least AC 054/055 doesn't. rgds Aseem
50 Antonovman : "Would it be a good idea to stop in BRU? Wouldn't it be a good idea to connect in another place that has mor passenger like London, Paris, Frankfurt."
51 B747-437B : Its called "bilateral open-skies agreements".
52 N1120A : Yes, they just don't use them The 744 was actually LAX based and UA 1/2 technically stopped and started there. The UA flight with a 767 on the LAX-JF
53 AeroWesty : Why not? While not an European carrier, Air Canada sells tickets for HNL-SYD on their YVR-HNL-SYD service. El Al sells tickets for the LAX-YYZ portio
54 TKMCE : For all the guys cribbing about why services are not being started to BLR and HYD ********* These cities have internaitonal terminals which are dumps.
55 Jasepl : That's not all. The prime reason is that the magical traffic just isn't there. Peoples' assertations to the contraty notwithstanding. If there were a
56 Antonovman : "Its called "bilateral open-skies agreements" Yes but surely its an open-skies agreement between the USA and India, it doesnt mean a US carrier can si
57 AeroWesty : Well of course not. Is your point that you feel new traffic rights would never be granted beyond what you characterize as "grandfather rights"? I'm n
58 Antonovman : Well I'm not sure that they would get the rights BA would certainly object to a US carrier getting rights ex LHR same with AF in CDG and LH from FRA.
59 Post contains links AeroWesty : Antonovman: Some of the posts in this thread might explain how some possible routings from the US to India via Europe might work for American carriers
60 TKMCE : I diasgree. The traffic is very much there from HYD or BLR to US I agree. The traffic is very much there. Dont beleive me - take a look (even now) at
61 Antonovman : Thanks for the link AeroWesty, most of it confirms what i was trying to say it opens up an whole new can of worms if US carriers want to fly to India
62 BOEING787 : The flight via BRU would be a decent move as not only would they serve the US market but there is a lot of demand on the `Diamond Route' i.e.. Diamond
63 AeroWesty : I'm not sure you're correct on that point. If you read my post in Reply #10 in that link, U.S. carriers already have some of the 5th freedom rights y
64 Mrniji : And that is exactly the point why AI could do well.. when the entire Indain family along with kids, grandma, nanis, great-grandfather, his brother an
65 Nimish : Is this based on some study/data or is it based on perception? My perception of the loads on the LH FRA-BLR-FRA flight are "very high load factors an
66 TKMCE : Loads to HYD and BLR have always been high (one reason why BA, NW and AF are all starting in winter) and LH having already started in HYD. Ex HYD, Air
67 KKMolokai : Two US airlines get nod for India Minneapolis: Two major US airlines have been given the green signal to fly to Indian cities on the eve of the histor
68 HAWK21M : Any Schedule. regds MEL
69 Stealthpilot : Adding on to TKMCE and Jasepl, HYD and BLR definitely can’t handle more traffic, but as TKMCE mentioned the airports are too small. Are they dumps o
70 Jaysit : I diasgree. The traffic is very much there from HYD or BLR to US. It's there, but not to the extent that BOM and DEL command traffic, especially high
71 TWA902fly : Such as Air France on LAX-PPT... even though it could be argued French Polynesia is part of France, even though they have their own money and governm
72 Avek00 : Add Air New Zealand AKL-LAX-LHR to the list. In any event, using most major European cities as a transit point to India will pose no problem for AA. I
73 Sshank : While BLR and HYD have huge IT bases, remember that BOM has Tata Consultancies (the largest of all the Indian IT companies), plus over a 100 years of
74 L1011Lover : So, if AA is going to start service to India, will we see them hiring Indian based Flight Attendants or In-Flight Hindi interpreters? I know that both
75 L1011Lover : oh, I should have read the article first... lol... I never knew that NW cancelled their own AMS-India flights and were just codesharing with KLM! So t
76 MAH4546 : Northwest Airlines flies between Minneapolis and Bombay daily, via Amsterdam, with a second daily during peak season. It is not a codeshare. They cod
77 L1011Lover : Thanx MAH4546 for clearing that up... because that´s what I thought... the article is a bit unclear about that! L1011Lover
78 Tbear815 : American has enough problems here in the U.S. Why they should think about India beats me. Clean up the act at home before tackling International route
79 HB-IWC : I seem to remember that KLM can't codeshare on NW's AMS-BOM sector because the Dutch-Indian bilateral agreement only allows for seven weekly frequenc
80 Post contains images Mrniji : Hi L1011Lover - Probably depends where the service is flagged off too.. if they go to any other place than DEL, Hindi is not an option. If they served
81 Aseem : I don't think language is that big an issue as far as BOM is concerned. After all Hindi film industry is based in BOM. Nobody thinks much about these
82 Skyguy : Mrniji - India is just one of the countries that overseas airline serve. I do not think they have the immense resources to cater to each different par
83 Texdravid : Aseem, Yes, Tamils are more sensitive to imposition of Hindi. This is longstanding and historical. Remember, the Tamil parties, DMK and AIADMK both st
84 Jaysit : All of British Airways flights to Mumbai have announcements in Gujarati and Hindi. Not that anyone listens. As soon as the flight touches down, there'
85 Aseem : boy!! i witnessed this upon landing of my AC flight at DEL. Poor F/A had hard time shouting in Punjabi/Hindi. The whole scene reminded me of some pas
86 TKMCE : The most memorable thing I remeber about my only Qatar flught i took from Trivandrum was the announcement that "THIS CREW SPEAKS IN ADDITION TO ENGLIS
87 Skyguy : TKMCE: Ever seen a Thai, Arabic, Chinese speaking crew on AI?
88 Thrust : Could American be possibly considering flying between LHR and India? I would have to assume there is an enormous demand on that route...that is easily
89 Jaysit : TKMCE: Ever seen a Thai, Arabic, Chinese speaking crew on AI? No, but I've seen a French and Italian speaking crew on AI. Some of those old aunties jo
90 Jasepl : "Jasepl" admits that he doesn't have a source, but he reiterates his opinion "that the magical traffic just isn't there. Peoples' assertations to the
91 Jacobin777 : with CO flying nonstop from EWR-DEL.......I can see AA doing ORD-DEL nonstop...I think it would be too difficult to do ORD-BOM nonstop (though accordi
92 Shawnnyc : My guess would be that unless the unions object, AA will try and have as many India based crew as allowed. When i was a kid, Pan Am and then Delta use
93 Post contains images Stealthpilot : Jasepl (Reply 90) Bangalore is a case of hype running well ahead of reality. After having been there, I have concluded that this is true; it's a me-to
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