AA7573E From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 475 posts, RR: 3 Posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 3400 times:
What international routes did AA acquire through the TWA takeover? Are there any dormant routes that could be brought back into service? What about the following cities that TWA flew to from either JFK or STL?
Vienna
Geneva
Lisbon
Cairo
Tel Aviv
Athens
Copenhagen
Amsterdam
Munich
Berlin
Budapest
Bombay
Bangkok
Manila
I am sure there are others, but I just pulled these off old TWA time tables. Did they sell off most of these routes prior to the AAcquisition, or did they simply cease service to these locations? Seems like there are a few lucrative options out there that AA could operate?
I am not suggesting that AA should start service to any or all of these destinations, just wondering if they still own route authorities for them.
FlyMIA From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 6298 posts, RR: 6 Reply 1, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 3213 times:
TWA was not doing so good when AA took them over. So I would imagine many of those routes were gone when AA took them over. I think AA wanted there Domestic system more.
"It was just four of us on the flight deck, trying to do our job" (Captain Al Haynes)
Sean-SAN- From United States of America, joined Aug 2002, 752 posts, RR: 1 Reply 2, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 3185 times:
AA would kill if they extended a NRT flight to BKK. Right now tons of people are forced to take JALways or CX in order to stay loyal to OW.
MAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 31119 posts, RR: 74 Reply 4, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 3170 times:
Quoting Sean-SAN- (Reply 2): AA would kill if they extended a NRT flight to BKK. Right now tons of people are forced to take JALways or CX in order to stay loyal to OW.
AA would not have 5th freedom on that flight and would kill nothing but their profits.
AeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 18888 posts, RR: 64 Reply 6, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 3032 times:
As of Oct. 1, 2004 U.S. International Route Authorities holding the dual designation "American/TWA" (arranged geographically):
CANADA
U.S. Points
MEXICO
New Orleans - Mexico City
New York - Cancun
St. Louis - Acapulco, Cancun, Cozumel, Zihuatanejo, Mexico City, Puerto Vallarta
BAHAMAS
U.S. Points
ANTIGUA
U.S. Points
BERMUDA
Newark, New York, Philadelphia, St. Louis - Bermuda
DOMINICAN REPUBLIC
U.S. Points
JAMAICA
U.S. Points
NETHERLAND ANTILLES
New York - St. Maarten
ARUBA
U.S. Points
TURKS & CAICOS
U.S. Points
VENEZUELA
San Juan, PR - Caracas
AUSTRIA
Newark, New York, St. Louis - Austria
BELGIUM
U.S. Points
DENMARK
New York - Copenhagen
FRANCE
Newark, New York, St. Louis, Boston, Los Angeles, Washington DC - France
GERMANY
U.S. Points
GREECE
Newark, New York & St. Louis - Greece
IRELAND
Newark, New York & St. Louis - Ireland
LUXEMBOURG
U.S. Points
NETHERLANDS
U.S. Points
NORWAY
New York - Oslo
PORTUGAL
Newark, New York, St. Louis - The Azores
RUSSIA
New York - Moscow
SPAIN
Newark, New York & St. Louis - Barcelona
SWEDEN
U.S. Points
SWITZERLAND
Newark, New York & St. Louis - Switzerland
UNITED KINGDOM
St. Louis - London, England
ALGERIA
Newark, New York, St. Louis - Algeria
LIBYA
Newark, New York, St. Louis - Libya
MOROCCO
Newark, New York, St. Louis - Casablanca
TUNISIA
Newark, New York, St. Louis - Tunisia
EGYPT
Newark, New York, St. Louis - Egypt
BAHRAIN
Newark, New York, St. Louis - Bahrain
IRAQ
Newark, New York, St. Louis - Iraq
JORDAN
Newark, New York, St. Louis - Jordan
KUWAIT
Newark, New York, St. Louis - Kuwait
OMAN
Newark, New York, St. Louis - Oman
QATAR
Newark, New York, St. Louis - Qatar
SAUDI ARABIA
Newark, New York, St. Louis - Saudi Arabia
UNITED ARAB EMIRATES
Newark, New York, St. Louis - UAE
TURKEY
Newark, New York, St. Louis - Ankara
Newark, New York, St. Louis - Istanbul
YEMEN
Newark, New York, St. Louis - Yemen
MYANMAR (BURMA)
Newark, New York, St. Louis - Mandalay
SRI LANKA
New York, St. Louis, Hilo, Honolulu, Guam, Los Angeles, Long Beach, Ontario - Sri Lanka
HONG KONG, PRC
New York, St. Louis, Hilo, Honolulu, Guam, Los Angeles, Long Beach, Ontario, U.S. Points - Hong Kong
INDIA
Newark, New York, St. Louis, Hilo, Honolulu, Guam, Los Angeles, Long Beach, Ontario - India
JAPAN
St. Louis - Tokyo
Hilo, Honolulu, Guam, Los Angeles, Long Beach - Okinawa
SINGAPORE
U.S. Points
KOREA (SOUTH)
U.S. Points
TAIWAN
U.S. Points, Hilo, Honolulu, Guam, Los Angeles, Long Beach, Ontario - Taiwan
THAILAND
U.S. Points, Hilo, Honolulu, Guam, Los Angeles, Long Beach, Ontario - Thailand
Newark, New York, St. Louis - Bangkok
AA7573E From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 475 posts, RR: 3 Reply 7, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 2762 times:
AeroWesty
Thanks for the detailed answer! Exactly what I was looking for.
Anyone have any thoughts on the odds of some of those routes coming back into operation?
B4real From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2595 posts, RR: 6 Reply 8, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 2651 times:
Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 6): IRAQ
Newark, New York, St. Louis - Iraq
WOW! Once Iraq cleans up, does mean that AA can go to Iraq on their own equipment?
Daron4000 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 712 posts, RR: 1 Reply 9, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 2626 times:
Why does AA not put to use these international routes, especially in Asia, where they could easily expand and create more revenue?
AeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 18888 posts, RR: 64 Reply 10, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2485 times:
Quoting Daron4000 (Reply 9): Why does AA not put to use these international routes
One of the mysteries of the airline industry. Such as, if they already hold authority to serve India via the routes they picked up via TWA, why did they have to reapply to serve India recently (as reported in another thread)? Was it to activate city pairs within the authority? I don't know really--one would have to read the DOT route applications for all the technical details (and they're freely available on the web). Someone else may even know the answer off the top of their head.
A second answer is the list of US International Route Authorities is 149 pages long, single-space typed. It's obvious not every route authorized could be flown profitably.
CALMSP From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3662 posts, RR: 8 Reply 11, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2471 times:
LGB? How do they have rights to Asia from LGB?
okay, I'm waiting for the rich to spread the wealth around to me. Please mail your checks to my house.
AeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 18888 posts, RR: 64 Reply 12, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 1760 times:
Quoting CALMSP (Reply 11): How do they have rights to Asia from LGB?
I guess it's just how they handed out the routes. There seems to be a pattern in it though, when a Chicago authority was granted, Rockford, IL was granted at the same time, and then Oakland and San Jose with San Francisco. Illogical one would think nowadays, but I'm sure there was a reason for it at the time.
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