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Continental To Take Delivery Of Additional Boeing  
User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16878 posts, RR: 51
Posted (9 years 6 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 10564 times:

CO got most of the cost cuts they needed, the mechanics and pilots have agreed to their cuts even though the Flight attendants voted no.

CO Unions have approved $418 Million in cost savings, CO management set a $500 Million dollar goal.

With the $418 Million in annual cost reductions approved CO will go ahead with the acquisition of 8 757-300s this Summer from Boeing (ATA birds), and the accelerated delivery of 6 737-800s next year and to take delivery of 10 787-800s starting in 2009.

Here's a link to the article, and an excerpt about the aircraft..

http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/050331/nyth088.html?.v=5

"Continental to take delivery of additional Boeing aircraft

With the implementation of the ratified agreements, Continental is confirming delivery of the aircraft under its previously announced Boeing aircraft order. The company will now grow by leasing eight Boeing 757-300 aircraft starting this summer and accelerating delivery of six Boeing 737-800 aircraft into 2006. These aircraft will provide the opportunity for Continental to further expand its international network while supporting its domestic system. The airline also will acquire 10 Boeing 787 aircraft beginning in 2009."


Eastern Air lines flt # 701, EWR-MCO Boeing 757
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User currently offlineNWAFA From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1893 posts, RR: 15
Reply 1, posted (9 years 6 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 10522 times:

That is just sick! Talk about not having any respect for the employees. "We are having financial proglems, we need your help"...employees give them then what do they do go out and spend more money.

SICK!

It is just like the scene in the movie "Mommy Dearest" when Mommy does the crying game that we are broke and need to save money and needs help, then goes out on a spending spree.

Good for the FA's for NOT taking a paycut....it was subpost to be "to save the company" and not or a spending spree!



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User currently offlineCALMSP From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3979 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (9 years 6 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 10507 times:
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do you realize anything about the airline industry or any industry for that matter....in order to make some money you need to spend some money.....it is very clear on why we are taking these aircraft....these 757s will be used in place of domestic wide bodies and 757-200s that can be freed up to fly internationally so we can generate revenue.....where have you been? wake up and read the news......i suggest you get info before you make some idiotic remark like this post


okay, I'm waiting for the rich to spread the wealth around to me. Please mail your checks to my house.
User currently offlineNWAFA From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1893 posts, RR: 15
Reply 3, posted (9 years 6 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 10492 times:

Guess 25 almost 26 years of being in the business doesn't count for much CAL. Oh I read the news every day...and your company (just like mine) is saying they are in trouble..that they need our help to "SURVIVE"...then what does your company do, slap you accross your face and start shopping.

Sorry the "it takes money to make money" argument does work here....



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User currently offlineLemurs From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1439 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (9 years 6 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 10482 times:

All I can say is, I will never hire a F/A to run my company.

The gall of CO...wanting airplanes when they could be hiring more employees to carry customers around on their backs!



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User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5774 posts, RR: 47
Reply 5, posted (9 years 6 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 10418 times:

Quoting NWAFA (Reply 1):
That is just sick! Talk about not having any respect for the employees. "We are having financial proglems, we need your help"...employees give them then what do they do go out and spend more money.

SICK!

You really don't know anything about running a business do you.? I guess that's why you're a flight attendant.



That which does not kill me makes me stronger.
User currently offlineNWAFA From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1893 posts, RR: 15
Reply 6, posted (9 years 6 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 10390 times:

NYC777

Its called honsty and respect..which the CO employees drank the Kool-Aid for many year..and it appeared to be true until now...and all of them have had their face slapped over night.



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User currently offlineTWFirst From Vatican City, joined Apr 2000, 6346 posts, RR: 52
Reply 7, posted (9 years 6 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 10373 times:

Quoting NWAFA (Reply 1):
That is just sick! Talk about not having any respect for the employees. "We are having financial proglems, we need your help"...employees give them then what do they do go out and spend more money.

SICK!

Sweetie... put the bloody mary down.

Now, you need to understand what the word "survive" means in this context ... it doesn't mean just staying out of bankruptcy or avoiding liquidation... it means CO management are making STRATEGIC DECISIONS for LONG-TERM survival and LEADERSHIP in the industry... not just to be a US or UA or TZ barely keeping its head above water type of company.

Although your airline is also well-managed... your "brothers and sisters" at CO should be thankful they work where they do.

THINK about it for a sec.... is management going out and buying chandeliers for their offices? NO. Installing jacuzzis in the Presidents Clubs? NO. They're buying airplanes.... hey, guess what... they're an AIRLINE. They fly those things to places... filled with paying passengers. And guess what else... bitchy FA's like yourself have to work those flights... so guess what that means... there's a job there to be done. MAKE SENSE?



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User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5774 posts, RR: 47
Reply 8, posted (9 years 6 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 10357 times:

Sorry but the airline unions have run the major airlines into the ground with the huge pre 9/11 pay raises that they got now they don't want to give it back in the face of all the turmoil, wht do they resort to...crying like whinny little children. That's why US and UA are heading to a smoky hole in the ground and DL is not to far behind. Go ahead an whine some more and see how long your job lasts.


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User currently offlineIAHTowTeam From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (9 years 6 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 10320 times:

Somebody needs to slap you in the face NWAFA! You just don't get it do you? NOBODY IS KEEPING YOU FROM LEAVING! NW would be better off and we would too if you just left, stop talking, shut your mouth! It is evident that you know nothing about the business and have no eye for growth in an economy like this. It is possible and the only way to make money is to send our airplanes overseas. The only way we could free up some of our 757-200's is to bring in 757-300, which increases our domestic capacity and ASM's and our 737-800's, which also helps with our bottom line. That's it, the B787's let the world know we are not like everyone else and that there is something different about Continental. Now, go jump in one of your DC9's and ride it all the way to Mojave. Oh yeah, NW called, they also want you to stay out there and watch their airplanes for them. Have a nice flight!

User currently offlineNWAFA From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1893 posts, RR: 15
Reply 10, posted (9 years 6 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 10298 times:

Thanks for the respectful response. That type of response is just what a group of us are talking about at the moment. Flight Attendants have respect for themselves and want to have healthy behaviors. Flight Attendants don't do the "us against you" thing like the Other work groups love to do, thats why they are not interacting with passengers and instead are on the ramp. In baggage claim.


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User currently offlineTWFirst From Vatican City, joined Apr 2000, 6346 posts, RR: 52
Reply 11, posted (9 years 6 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 10285 times:

But there are SEVERAL FA's who should NOT be interacting with passengers and SHOULD be working on the ramp.


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User currently offlineNWAFA From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1893 posts, RR: 15
Reply 12, posted (9 years 6 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 10258 times:

I agree with you on that TWFirst, I have seen and worked with some.


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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26536 posts, RR: 75
Reply 13, posted (9 years 6 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 10231 times:

Quoting NWAFA (Reply 1):
That is just sick! Talk about not having any respect for the employees. "We are having financial proglems, we need your help"...employees give them then what do they do go out and spend more money.

You know we agree on things NWAFA, but here, CO told the employees exactly why they were asking for the cuts, so they could bring in more efficient planes and those that would give them more international capacity and range, allowing expansion on their bread and butter. I think the way CO is planning on treating their FAs now that they rejected is not a good thing, but the overall plan to bring in more efficient aircraft using the savings to return to profitability and in turn improve employee pay, etc. is the point of all this.



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User currently offlineTWFirst From Vatican City, joined Apr 2000, 6346 posts, RR: 52
Reply 14, posted (9 years 6 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 10220 times:

Quoting NWAFA (Reply 12):
I agree with you on that TWFirst, I have seen and worked with some.

Believe it or not, I can't say I've witnessed any NW FA's that fit that category... at least for several years now. I love flying NW (but am flying CO to MSP next weekend  Wink)



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User currently offlineNWAFA From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1893 posts, RR: 15
Reply 15, posted (9 years 6 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 10220 times:

The CO Flight Attendants are very producitve. They don't have any duty days. (For those not in the industry - a duty day for Crew is: They could be on duty 8 hours, but the actualy flight time is 1.5 hours they ONLY get paid for 1.5 instead of 8 hours of duty time).


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User currently offlineAA7573E From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 475 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (9 years 6 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 10176 times:

NWAFA always spouts the same line. If it is not going to her paycheck, then it is bad. She is likely very good at providing top notch cabin service, but her 26 years of working in the cabin, has provided her little perspective on what it takes to keep the airline running. Her posts on irate passengers and service related topics are interesting, but her posts regarding the business of commercial aviation are worthless.

I applaud Continental, for being the only major in the country in a position to order new aircraft, and accelerate deliveries of previously ordered ships. Furthermore, their ingenuity on opening up thinner international routes with the 757 is pretty sharp too. Way to go!



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User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17545 posts, RR: 46
Reply 17, posted (9 years 6 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 10175 times:

"They could be on duty 8 hours, but the actualy flight time is 1.5 hours they ONLY get paid for 1.5 instead of 8 hours of duty time)."

Whose fault is that?

""We are having financial proglems, we need your help"...employees give them then what do they do go out and spend more money."

They were well aware of this from the beginning. CO made it clear that in order to fund expansion it would need cost cuts. If you are surprised then you haven't been paying attention.



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User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13612 posts, RR: 62
Reply 18, posted (9 years 6 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 10120 times:
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That is just sick! Talk about not having any respect for the employees. "We are having financial proglems, we need your help"...employees give them then what do they do go out and spend more money.

SICK!


Stop. Just stop. You're wrong, and I think you know it.

Whenever the company expands, it's a good thing.

Whenever the company gets new aircraft, it's a good thing.

Whenever the company hires new employees because of expansion, it's a good thing.


The only thing that's bad here is that CO's flight attendants decided to roll the dice and bet they could turn down their tentative agreement in hopes of a better deal.

The deals will only get worse for them from here on out - something even the union leadership all but acknowledged in their press release.



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User currently offlineDrerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5192 posts, RR: 8
Reply 19, posted (9 years 6 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 10048 times:

NWAFA is a very very bitter person, The cuts needed to be done to insure some resemblance of job security.


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User currently offlineNWAFA From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1893 posts, RR: 15
Reply 20, posted (9 years 6 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 10019 times:

That is the furthest from the truth Drerx7. Far from bitter.


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User currently offlinePHXinterrupted From United States of America, joined Apr 2002, 474 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (9 years 6 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 10001 times:

Quoting NWAFA (Reply 10):
Flight Attendants have respect for themselves and want to have healthy behaviors.

LOL See ya in the hotel bar on your next layover!



Keepin' it real.
User currently offlineBurnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7548 posts, RR: 8
Reply 22, posted (9 years 6 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 9998 times:

Quoting IAHTowTeam (Reply 9):
which increases our domestic capacity

At the same time, the domestic market, in which 753's would be used is not the "money making markets" most like low yeild unprofitable routes.

NWAFA- At the same time, NW just ordered more A333's. While I think NW has more of an argument then CO does, we still ordered. Also, one thing that I believe NW was the only one to do, is continue aircraft deliveries as scheduled after 9/11, I think even WN pushed back some, so in some respect, this is not that bad. Just wait for that NW 787 or A350 order in the coming months, I would assume that its likely to happen.  Wink



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User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13612 posts, RR: 62
Reply 23, posted (9 years 6 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 9969 times:
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At the same time, the domestic market, in which 753's would be used is not the "money making markets" most like low yeild unprofitable routes.


Which, in many cases, connect traffic to the higher yielding international routes.

And lest we forget, CO is using the 753 for these low-yield routes which has the lowest narrowbody CASM in the world - meaning they're using the best possible aircraft for that high density, low yield traffic.



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User currently offlineMikey711MN From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1398 posts, RR: 8
Reply 24, posted (9 years 6 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 9915 times:

Actually, NWAFA, isn't your profile a collection of, like, 5 FA's? If so, are you speaking for yourself or for your "group"?

-Mike



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25 Post contains images EA CO AS : I think that's AnnoyedFA who suffers from "multiple user disorder," not NWAFA - even though they seem to parrot each other.
26 Dokken10 : Didn't TWA buy new A/C to replace their older fleet. If I remember correctly they were having serious money problems before and they got worse after b
27 N1120A : Actually, they are completely different. ANNOYEDFA hates life, their airline, other airlines, passengers, pilots, living a decent life, WN and pretty
28 Drerx7 : Oh ok--I'm sorry NWAFA--I did indeed confuse you with Annoyed FA; however I totally disagree with your whole argument on this thread. Its painful but
29 Graham697 : That is a completely different situation, one Continental is/was not in an all out survival mode, but they are now working to secure their future. TW
30 Danny : I don't think that increasing capacity is the best way to secure the future. Maybe Boeing's future yes but not Continental.
31 CALMSP : increasing capacity in international markets so we can generate revenue? yes it is a good idea for the future......look at it this way....take a 752 o
32 Danny : Yeah - more RJs. Is that going to generate profit? I don't think so. And the number of European destinations within the range of 752 is not endless. I
33 Post contains images DAYflyer : Your lack of business accumen is horribly apparent with this statement. They are not trying to screw the employees. They must grow the international
34 Drerx7 : Its almost like people are not listening. The reason these aircraft are coming online is to expand internationally. The 753s and 738s will be deployed
35 EA CO AS : I don't think that increasing capacity is the best way to secure the future. But logically, the more segments you fly and the longer you fly, the more
36 IAHTowTeam : Thank goodness CAL started all of this mess ahead of the game. By that I mean, flying to more international destinations, CASM on the low end and qual
37 STT757 : The 757-300s will replace 757-200s that are being reconfigured for International flying, the real growth comes from accelerated delivery of 6 737-800s
38 ScottB : The contract proposed to the Continental FA's didn't include cuts in base pay rates. But it's not like NWAFA would let FACTS get in the way of his/he
39 DL021 : They need the airplanes to increase volume, especially as margins grow thinner. Sorry if you don't get it. Too bad....because its the way of the busi
40 UH60FtRucker : My god... NWAFA has to be one of the most shrill, indignant, brooding employees I have come across! NWAFA exemplifies the "me-centered-mentality," or
41 Post contains images Swaluvfa : Don't yall see......NWAFA just wants a rise out of yall.....AND YOUR GIVING IT TO HIM!!! lol......just ignore his dumb prospectives......he's mad caus
42 Post contains images Corey07850 : Bravo Gentlemen.... I'm still laughing
43 COAMiG29 : will CO ever have 747s again or are they done with them. i know N-33021 is now Continental coke as are all of the other Co 742s will they aquire the 7
44 STT757 : The 787-800 with it's range will probably be used to open up more Asian flying from EWR and IAH, 777s to the first tier Cities (Tokyo, Hong Kong, Beij
45 Post contains images Falcon84 : NWAFA, you obviously don't understand business. Even in bad times, you don't stop planning for the future, and doing what you do. In our business, it
46 Post contains images UAMAYBACH1239 : CALMSP From United States, joined Aug 2003, 1020 posts, RR: 5 do you realize anything about the airline industry or any industry for that matter....in
47 STT757 : Boeing's picking up the tab of reconfiguring them to CO standards, including interiors and paint.
48 BigB : The 787 payments will not start still delivery. 753s reconfigs are gonna be funded by Boeing, another words, CO just take delivery of the aircraft an
49 CALMSP : UAMAYBACH1239......you have got to be joking right? do you realize that most people on this forum understand why we are picking up these aircraft? you
50 Post contains links Lightsaber : First, congratulations to CO. A company either grows or it rots. The new aircraft will translate into "right sizing" some domestic routes and most lik
51 NWA : "Just wait for that NW 787 or A350 order in the coming months, I would assume that its likely to happen. " Burnsie, everytime you predict an order, yo
52 Carpethead : Somebody hasn't touched this point, but more aircraft mean more jobs (usually). Pilots, F/A, mechanics, etc. 757 flying overseas require more pilots &
53 Amy : This could well be a good thing. With new aircraft to support their domestic routes, CO can introduce more niche long-hauls to europe. I'm looking for
54 COEWR787 : For me this flight will be a boon since I have to travel to Bristol on business from Newark, and doing so through Heathrow or Gatwick is a royal pain
55 CALMSP : exactly........they are looking for 100 ramp agents and 100 gate agents in EWR....along with Lead Agents on both sides.....Concierge personnel.....and
56 Tango-Bravo : NWAFA is on my RU list because of a keen ability to see the truth and willingness to speak the truth on this and other issues, in spite of ridicule f
57 Avek00 : "The CO decision to go even deeper into debt" CO is NOT going deeper into debt with the new aircraft - since the planes are being leased, operating ex
58 Falcon84 : When they're practically handed and gift-wrapped? With Boeing paying for retrofitting them? You don't have a clue on this one, friend. CO is getting
59 GoCOgo : Umm, the orders were announced before the pay cuts were voted on, and 4/5 of the unions said "yes" knowing their yes vote would mean these orders wou
60 RAMPRAT980 : I would have to say that CO is poised to become the # 1 U.S. airline. Their purchasing the additional planes is a positive signal. I just dont think t
61 AA737-823 : Continental ISN'T losing money? What are you smoking!!! They file quarterly- considering that they say they're losing money... you can't lie when you
62 RAMPRAT980 : Continental ISN'T losing money? What are you smoking!!! They file quarterly- considering that they say they're losing money... you can't lie when you
63 Spaceman : I for one am not looking forward to fly 757s on long hauls. But hey, what am I talking about, I'm never going to be on one of the flights.
64 GoCOgo : In these days when many people book travel on airline metasearches like travelocity and expedia, a few bucks is enough for many to chose another airl
65 Fetheroleather : I agree that pax will usually go for the cheapest fare. But I just dont understand why CAL or any other airline wont raise the fare$5 or $10 bucks and
66 Falcon84 : Not that easy. If other airlines don't match a fare increase, it WILL drive away traffic. In one of our presentations on the pay cuts, we were given
67 CALMSP : i'm glad that were picking something up other than the 738 or any other 737....i guess i'm just biased b/c the 757 is my favorite aircraft.....it woul
68 Calpilot17 : It really came down to Newark because all The other bases IAH CLE voted yes, The EWR FA are the one who killed it As a matter of fact they were suppos
69 Fetheroleather : Anniversary raises were not going to be touched(if you have less than 14 yrs seniority),There was no $2.00/hr raise for anyone else, other than a a 2
70 Post contains images RAMPRAT980 : EXCELLENT OBSERVATION !!! As soon as an airline announces a fare increase of $5 to $10 and the other airlines "don't follow" the fare hike is rescind
71 GoCOgo : According to another post by someone apparently in the know: CLE - 214 yes CLE - 210 no Looks like they voted yes by 4 votes I'll agree, that is an e
72 AlexInWa : WOW........Alot of people in here are in dire need of a hug...........or a big freakin drink!!!! Looking outside in, IF CO was up front with the emplo
73 Avek00 : It has to do with the fact that, unlike most industries, airline consumers tend to be *irrational* in their buying habits.
74 Fetheroleather : Hers another good example of "irrational' behavior.A pax buys a ticket on CAL ffrom EWR-LAX for $179.00.But its through IAH.When the pax checks in an
75 CB777 : Maybe when things get better for CO, they will possibly aquire some 777 LRs
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