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WN: Does It Carry Cargo?  
User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19097 posts, RR: 53
Posted (9 years 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 3118 times:

Does WN carry cargo on its flights? If yes, how much revenue this generates?


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User currently onlineGoldenshield From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 5845 posts, RR: 15
Reply 1, posted (9 years 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 3106 times:

They carry a LOT of cargo. The best part of cargo, is it's all profit for the airline.


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User currently offlineTedTAce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (9 years 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 3098 times:

Does it put the lotion in the basket?

User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19097 posts, RR: 53
Reply 3, posted (9 years 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 3069 times:

Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 1):
They carry a LOT of cargo.

Thanks.

I asked because FR, for example, doesn't carry cargo (unless luggage counts as cargo) as it would slow its fast turnarounds. There is one exception to this rule: STN-NOK. FR will carry coffins on this route out of respect for the residents of County Mayo.



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User currently offlineMGA From Nicaragua, joined Mar 2005, 726 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (9 years 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 3062 times:

I know from experience they dont allow pets in their planes, nor cargo, check in or carry on... I had to give up my WN ticket to fly Delta from FLL to LAX with my cat because of this. They really pissed me off. I still dont get it...

MGA



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User currently offlineBurnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7504 posts, RR: 8
Reply 5, posted (9 years 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 3050 times:

Certain cargo, some tropical fish and what not. But not like those at NW, who also have their own dedicated Cargo fleet of 14 aircraft.


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User currently offlineNWAFA From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1893 posts, RR: 16
Reply 6, posted (9 years 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 3041 times:

There is only so much cargo a 737 can carry. Small packages and such.


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User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19097 posts, RR: 53
Reply 7, posted (9 years 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 3035 times:

Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 5):
But not like those at NW



Quoting NWAFA (Reply 6):
There is only so much cargo a 737 can carry. Small packages and such.

Of course!  Smile

It would be interesting to know how much the transportation of cargo contributes to its total annual revenue.



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User currently offlineNtspelich From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 764 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (9 years 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 3023 times:

Yes, we do carry quite a bit of cargo. Last year we moved 288 million pounds of freight and mail. Sorry, I'm trying to find the just freight number. Last year's income statement shows that freight had a total income of $117million.

NTS



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User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19097 posts, RR: 53
Reply 9, posted (9 years 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 3008 times:

Thanks a lot, NTS.  Smile

Do you know - I guess it would be impossible to know without the data - which particular routes generate the most cargo?



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User currently offlineNtspelich From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 764 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (9 years 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 2993 times:

Don't quote me on this, as I don't have any numbers, but from my experience loading and unloading the stuff, I would put LAX as the largest. Followed by (in no particular order) OAK, LAS, PHX, MDW, BWI, FLL and ORF.

Not too helpful, I know, but I can tell you that for quite some time we've been trucking freight out of LAX to other airports just to get it in the air.

We also do get an incredible amount of freight leaving AUS, primarily Dell Computer stuff.

When I stop by work today I'll see if I can dig up some numbers.

NTS



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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26196 posts, RR: 76
Reply 11, posted (9 years 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 2964 times:

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 3):
I asked because FR, for example, doesn't carry cargo (unless luggage counts as cargo) as it would slow its fast turnarounds.

WN has been carrying cargo since they did 10-20 minute turns in the 70's and 80's and still do with their 25-40 minute turns now. They also don't limit carry on weight and have a normal checked baggage allowance, not the tiny number allowed on FR flights

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 9):
Do you know - I guess it would be impossible to know without the data - which particular routes generate the most cargo?

Well, WN has long been known for their time-sensitive shipping. They do a lot of this on the Intra-Texas routes. For a long time, the only non-cargo airport was SNA because of the short runway, though they can now carry some on the 73G. This is why they have not been able to offer their cheapest deals out of SNA.

To add to that point about cargo being pure profit, WN, unlike many other airlines, bases all of their cost numbers on making a profit on at least 2-3 passengers per flight, every flight on average (the rest covering costs) with cargo being pure gravy.



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User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24326 posts, RR: 47
Reply 12, posted (9 years 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 2956 times:

I do not exactly remember the year, however sometime back around 2000-2002, I saw a report stating that the Los Angeles basin was SWA's number one cargo generating sales area.
Majority of the cargo was destined to Midwest and East Coast cities. As I remember Chicago Midway was the top destined single station for this cargo.



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User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19097 posts, RR: 53
Reply 13, posted (9 years 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 2942 times:

Thanks for your info. Especially interesting re. which airports.


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User currently offlinePadcrasher From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (9 years 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 2931 times:

Cargo is not pure profit. It has about a 60% profit margin not counting it's burden on the operation itself. Cargo offices, cargo employees, sales reps, accounting personnel, are all expenses.

It varies a little but cargo accounts usually accounts for 3 or 4% of total revenue at most US airlines. More at Asian/European carriers.


User currently offlineSCXmechanic From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 534 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (9 years 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 2921 times:

We move a lot of cargo through MCO as well. Just the other day I saw several carts of freight waiting on a connection to a Freight Forwarder at FLL with its final destination of SJO as in San Jose Costa Rica.

User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26196 posts, RR: 76
Reply 16, posted (9 years 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 2909 times:

Quoting Padcrasher (Reply 14):
Cargo is not pure profit. It has about a 60% profit margin not counting it's burden on the operation itself. Cargo offices, cargo employees, sales reps, accounting personnel, are all expenses.

That is the thing. Cargo at WN works differently. They account all costs (not just flight costs) using PAX revenue only, then cargo adds on



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User currently offlinePadcrasher From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (9 years 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 2865 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 16):
That is the thing. Cargo at WN works differently. They account all costs (not just flight costs) using PAX revenue only, then cargo adds on

Well however Southwest accounts for cargo revenue/costs , there is no such thing as a free lunch.


User currently offlineLauda 777 From Sweden, joined May 1999, 501 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (9 years 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 2843 times:

Quoting TedTAce (Reply 2):
Does it put the lotion in the basket?

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User currently offlineSsides From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4059 posts, RR: 21
Reply 19, posted (9 years 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 2812 times:

Cargo is also relatively big at AUS, primarily due to its proximity to Dell. Every time I've boarded a WN flight at AUS, I've seen large Dell boxes being loaded and unloaded.


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User currently offlinePadcrasher From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (9 years 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 2792 times:

The volume is certainly there in AUS but those poor rampers are loading boxes at 11 cents a lb. MSY gives WN some nice much higher yielding seafood.

User currently offlineNtspelich From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 764 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (9 years 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 2775 times:

Our best freight, or at least the coolest in my eyes, is the armored car shipments. There's quite nothing like loading up a tens of millions of dollars.

NTS



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User currently offlineBoeingFever777 From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 409 posts, RR: 55
Reply 22, posted (9 years 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 2734 times:

Quoting Pe@rson (Thread starter):
Does WN carry cargo on its flights?

Heck YES! All of our GEO (dvds, cds, software and video games) are carried by WN. WN carries this cargo which is between 10-25 plastic totes. They hold 160-cds or 70-dvds a piece. A Bestbuy store will get this shipment 2 weekly and we have over 650 Bestbuys in N. America. Not sure what carrier flies the totes to our Canadian stores.

So yes, they carry alot of cargo, 1/3 of a stores monthly gross comes from these shipments. All the totes in our store either come from MDW or PHX.

Quoting Ssides (Reply 19):
Cargo is also relatively big at AUS, primarily due to its proximity to Dell. Every time I've boarded a WN flight at AUS, I've seen large Dell boxes being loaded and unloaded.

That's 100% true, I definitely agree with that statement. I helped the head/lead Ramper for WN a few weeks ago and he said all he sees is Bestbuy and Dell cargo.

BTW: good topic.



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User currently offlineScottB From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 6579 posts, RR: 32
Reply 23, posted (9 years 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 2676 times:

Actually, a quick Google search of "Southwest Airlines Cargo" would reveal this site:

http://www.swacargo.com

And before anyone complains, yes, they still have the -200 on the bin capacities page, and yes, it's drawn with the wrong engines and wrong-colored tail aside from the one that was repainted to the new livery.


User currently offlineFlyer737sw From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 134 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (9 years 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 2584 times:

Quoting Ntspelich (Reply 10):
We also do get an incredible amount of freight leaving AUS, primarily Dell Computer stuff.

Thanks guys...At SJC we recieve a lot of dell computers, and other computer software...To add a couple of other places to the list as far as freight and mail go, I would have to say SEA and PDX are up there as well...There have been plenty of flights where the whole cargo space below, was bulked out with bags, freight, and mail...
And yes we do ship Cargo...

Kevin


25 N1120A : Of course, they have to account for them. Still, they cover that with PAX revenues.
26 Swabur : Freight is the "bread and butter" of WN. From what I know thats where we make a lot of our money, especially from our NFG and our RUSH shipments. Yes,
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