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LX MD 83 Loses Baggae In Flight  
User currently offlineTeahan From Germany, joined Nov 1999, 5301 posts, RR: 61
Posted (14 years 7 months 6 days ago) and read 2456 times:

Here is a report understand French:

Bâle/Héraklion (AP) Un MD83 de Crossair reliant Le Caire à Bâle a été contraint d'atterrir à Héraklion sur l'île de Crète dans la nuit de samedi à dimanche. Les employés de l'aéroport égyptien ont laissé une porte de la soute ouverte, selon la compagnie. Dans ces conditions, la cabine ne pouvait pas être pressurisée. Personne n'a été blessé, mais l'avion a perdu des bagages en vol.
Matthias Schmid, responsable de la sécurité chez Crossair, a expliqué que le pilote du MD83 avait constaté, avant le décollage, qu'une porte de la soute n'était pas fermée. Il a demandé à deux reprises aux employés du fret de procéder à des vérifications. Il a finalement décollé, pensant que la lampe témoin ne fonctionnait pas correctement.
Le pilote s'est alors rendu compte que la cabine ne pouvait pas être pressurisée. En raison du poids important de l'avion, il n'était pas question de se poser à l'aéroport du Caire. L'avion a donc poursuivi son vol à basse altitude (au maximum 3.000 mètres) au-dessus de la Méditerranée. Selon Schmid, les 150 passagers n'ont rien remarqué avant l'atterrissage à Héraklion.
Ce n'est qu'après l'atterrissage à Crète que l'on a constaté que l'avion avait perdu des bagages. De plus, le revêtement de l'appareil a été endommagé. Les passagers et les six membres de l'équipage n'ont jamais été mis en danger, selon Crossair. Les voyageurs devaient arriver à l'aéroport de Bâle-Mulhouse dimanche à 14.00 heures par un autre vol.
Depuis la chute d'un Saab 340 le 10 janvier dernier près de Zurich, plusieurs avions de Crossair, filiale de SAirGroup, ont dû atterrir de manière imprévue. Le 1er mars, un Jumbolino reliant Londres à Zurich a par exemple été contraint de se poser en raison d'une problème de pression d'huile.
Les causes de l'accident du Saab 340, qui avait fait 10 morts, n'ont pas encore été élucidées. Le Bureau fédéral d'enquêtes sur les accidents d'aviation rendra un rapport intermédiaire mardi prochain, a confirmé dimanche Hugo Schittenhelm, porte-parole du Département fédéral des transports (DETEC). Il ne contient pas d'indications concernant les causes du crash, mais des détails sur le déroulement du vol. AP

The baggage door was not properly closed in Cairo. Allthough the captain asked the baggae handlers twice. After take off he noticed the plane could not be presuurised. He could not land in Cairo because of weight. He flew to Heraklion at about 3000m of altitude. None of the pax noticed nothing until the landing at Heraklion at 03:15.

Jeremiah Teahan





Goodbye SR-LX MD-11 / 6th of March 1991 to the 31st of October 2004
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User currently offlineACA330 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 146 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (14 years 7 months 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2333 times:

Did the baggage handlers confirm to the pilot that the door was infact closed or open after the pilot asked twice ? Teahan also wrote that because of the weight of the aircraft, it was not possible to land again at Cairo.

The pilot knowing this ,would it not have been prudent for him/her to have performed a walk around to confirm the configuration of the door ????

Concerning the Crossair "Jumbo" that had had to make that emergency landing while enroute from London to Zurich, was it a 747, and if so which version, and in what city did it land ?


User currently offlineTeahan From Germany, joined Nov 1999, 5301 posts, RR: 61
Reply 2, posted (14 years 7 months 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2328 times:

The handlers did confirm it.
It was not a Jumbo it was a Jumbolino. With Crossair the Jumbolino is the nickname for the Bae 146 or Rj 85

Jeremiah Teahan



Goodbye SR-LX MD-11 / 6th of March 1991 to the 31st of October 2004
User currently offlineBoeing 777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (14 years 7 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 2318 times:

Interesting incident - wonder where the baggage landed. In the sea, or on top of someone's house, maybe?

It might be nice if you can find an English version of the article if you could, although you summarized it in a way in English. I don't there's very many francophones(not a French phone, but a nonderogatory Canadian term for any French speaker) here on this forum!


User currently offlineTeahan From Germany, joined Nov 1999, 5301 posts, RR: 61
Reply 4, posted (14 years 7 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 2297 times:

Here is my translation:

Bâle/Héraklion (AP) a MD83 of Crossair connecting Cairo in Basle was constrained to land in Héraklion on the island of Crete in the night of Saturday to Sunday. The employees of the Egyptian airport left a door of the baggage compartment opened, according to the company. Under these conditions, the cabin could not be pressurized. Nobody was wounded, but the plane lost luggage in flight.
Matthias Schmid, person in charge of the security at Crossair, explained that the pilot of the MD83 had noted, before takeoff, that a baggage compatement door was not closed. He asked for twice to the ground staff to carry out checks. He finally took off, thinking that the indicator lamp did not function correctly. The pilot then realized that the cabin could not be pressurized. Because of the significant weight of the plane, there was no question of landing in Cairo. The plane thus continued its flight at low altitude (to the maximum 3.000 meters) above the Mediterranean. According to Mr. Schmid, the 150 passengers did not notice anything before the landing with Héraklion.
It is only after the landing in Crete which one noted that the plane had lost luggage. Moreover, the coating of the plane was damaged. The passengers and the six members of the crew were never endangered, according to Crossair. The travellers arrived at the airport of Basle-Mulhouse Sunday at 14.00 hours with another flight. Since the fall of Saab 340 on 10 last January close to Zurich, several planes of Crossair, subsidiary of SAirGroup, had to land in an unforeseen way. March 1, Jumbolino connecting London in Zurich for example was constrained to be landed because of a problem of oil pressure.
The causes of the accident of Saab 340, which killed 10 died, were not elucidated yet. The federal Office of investigations into the flight accidents will make a report next Tuesday, confirmed Sunday Hugo Schittenhelm, spokesman of the federal Department of transport (DETEC). It does not contain indications concerning the causes of the crash, but of the details on the course of the flight.

An yes I do speak French. I lived in France.

Jeremiah Teahan







Goodbye SR-LX MD-11 / 6th of March 1991 to the 31st of October 2004
User currently offlineBarnaby From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (14 years 7 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2288 times:

This actually sounds like a very dangerous situation. With the rear-mounted engines of the MD80 series and baggage falling out of the side cargo door, one would have thought that the potential for Engine FOD would have outweighed the desire to have a nice smooth flight without disturbing the passengers. Maybe the crew did not know that bags were falling out until they had safely landed??

MTOW and MLW are not that far apart for the M83. The Captain could have easily returned to CAI with minimal structural damage.

Nice job SAir for covering up this one.


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