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AA Gets Final Approval For China  
User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32736 posts, RR: 72
Posted (9 years 5 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 3810 times:

American Airlines today got final approval for service to China, after having previously recieved tentative approval. Congratulations to AA. They can now start marketing the service, and loading it into res systems:

http://dms.dot.gov/search/document.c...m?documentid=323250&docketid=19077


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User currently offlineIAHTowTeam From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (9 years 5 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 3782 times:

I guess the objections from United didn't pay off. I think the govt. grated AA service from Chicago to compete with UA, and to cover their asses just in case UA goes under. Sounds logical to me. What do you guys think?

User currently offlineMasseyBrown From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 5420 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (9 years 5 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 3754 times:

This has been an interesting case in that the applicants played strictly to the advantages of their hubs. Does this mean that future routes from NY, the US's biggest market, have been abandoned by the other majors to CO?

"Open skies" would make designated-point routes moot, but meanwhile ...



I love long German words like 'Freundschaftsbezeigungen'.
User currently offlineZvezda From Lithuania, joined Aug 2004, 10511 posts, RR: 64
Reply 3, posted (9 years 5 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 3738 times:

Quoting MasseyBrown (Reply 2):
Does this mean that future routes from NY, the US's biggest market, have been abandoned by the other majors to CO?

UA still serves NRT and LHR from JFK. Don't AA and DL still have international flights from JFK?


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32736 posts, RR: 72
Reply 4, posted (9 years 5 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 3727 times:

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 3):

UA still serves NRT and LHR from JFK. Don't AA and DL still have international flights from JFK?

AA and Delta have huge international operations out of JFK.

Delta has a huge network to Europe, while American Airlines has an extensive network to major cities in South America, Europe, the Caribbean, and Tokyo.



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User currently offlineKlwright69 From Saudi Arabia, joined Jan 2000, 2028 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (9 years 5 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 3685 times:

Quoting MasseyBrown (Reply 2):
This has been an interesting case in that the applicants played strictly to the advantages of their hubs. Does this mean that future routes from NY, the US's biggest market, have been abandoned by the other majors to CO?

This above quote is a slight exaggeration.

MAH4546 explains......

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 4):
AA and Delta have huge international operations out of JFK.

Delta has a huge network to Europe, while American Airlines has an extensive network to major cities in South America, Europe, the Caribbean, and Tokyo.

However, there is certainly an element of truth to what MasseyBrown says in the first quote. For a marquee route from NYC such as NYC-PEK, I doubt any other carrier would even bother trying if they knew they would be going against CO for such a route.


User currently offlineMasseyBrown From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 5420 posts, RR: 7
Reply 6, posted (9 years 5 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 3674 times:

Obviously the other majors have EXISTING operations in New York, but my point was I have not seen them going after anything new.

Maybe this will change after AA gets it's new terminal at JFK, although the scope of that project has been reduced.



I love long German words like 'Freundschaftsbezeigungen'.
User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32736 posts, RR: 72
Reply 7, posted (9 years 5 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 3623 times:

Quoting MasseyBrown (Reply 6):
Obviously the other majors have EXISTING operations in New York, but my point was I have not seen them going after anything new.

American has introduced many new international routes out of NYC since 2002, including three to Europe. JFK-LRM, JFK-FCO, JFK-NRT, JFK-ZRH (this was introduced October 2001), JFK-BRU, JFK-YYZ, JFK-YHZ, JFK-SJO, and LGA-NAS come to mind.



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User currently offlineMasseyBrown From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 5420 posts, RR: 7
Reply 8, posted (9 years 5 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 3570 times:

OK, MAH, even if I claim FCO and ZRH were TWA legacies, that's still longer list than I would have guessed.


I love long German words like 'Freundschaftsbezeigungen'.
User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16862 posts, RR: 51
Reply 9, posted (9 years 5 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3348 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 4):
AA and Delta have huge international operations out of JFK.

CO flies more International passengers from EWR than AA and DL from JFK combined, with the new additions CO is adding this Summer at EWR (Berlin, Belfast, Bristol, Stockholm, Hamburg, Beijing, Lagos, Accara?) CO will serve more International passengers from EWR than the top 4 JFK carriers combined.

There's a reason why AA and DL did not apply for JFK-China rights.

[Edited 2005-04-02 04:54:00]


Eastern Air lines flt # 701, EWR-MCO Boeing 757
User currently offlineKlwright69 From Saudi Arabia, joined Jan 2000, 2028 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (9 years 5 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 3263 times:

Quoting STT757 (Reply 9):
CO is adding this Summer at EWR (Berlin, Belfast, Bristol, Stockholm, Hamburg, Beijing, Lagos, Accara?

Yes, and whatever happened to CO's EWR-LOS flight that was supposed to begin this spring??


User currently offlineAA B777-200 From Netherlands, joined Mar 2001, 505 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (9 years 5 months 2 days ago) and read 3203 times:

STT757,

Yup, CO is huge out of EWR. But shouldn't we look at the number of available seats too? I mean, AA operates JFK-LHR which counts as 1 route, but they fliy seven 777 roundtrips a day!

Yes, also looking forward to that EWR-LOS flight!


User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16862 posts, RR: 51
Reply 12, posted (9 years 5 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 3114 times:

Quoting AA B777-200 (Reply 11):
But shouldn't we look at the number of available seats too?

When I say

Quoting STT757 (Reply 9):
CO flies more International passengers from EWR than AA and DL from JFK combined

Im sure they are all seated  Wink

Note I said passengers and not destinations.

CO flies over 5 and half Million International passengers from EWR in '04, compared to AA's 3 Million and DL's 1.5 Million from JFK.



Eastern Air lines flt # 701, EWR-MCO Boeing 757
User currently offlineAA787 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 610 posts, RR: 12
Reply 13, posted (9 years 5 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3070 times:

STT757- You also need to count LGA for DL and AA because many of their domestic flights operate from there.

If AA was allowed to fly another route to PVG maybe they would choose JFK, the CO flight is too far east so that it relies mainly on O&D. If people wanted to connect they'd go west, not east (unless they were a member of A.net).

AA787



ET In NYC
User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16862 posts, RR: 51
Reply 14, posted (9 years 5 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3049 times:

Quoting AA787 (Reply 13):
You also need to count LGA for DL and AA because many of their domestic flights operate from there

I thought we are talking International passengers, either way CO flies more passengers (Domestic and International) from EWR than AA at EWR, LGA and JFK combined.



Eastern Air lines flt # 701, EWR-MCO Boeing 757
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